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Castrisles
8-bit Slackers
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Posted - 2013.02.21 17:58:00 -
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Hi, I have a quick question.
How much does one usually spend on a PVP gang frigate including modules and ammo?
I'm looking into buying 10 frigates (probably merlins) and trying them out to get a hang of PVP, but I'm gonna have to pace myself with a strict budget. |
Hamatitio
Aperture Harmonics
K162
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Posted - 2013.02.21 18:21:00 -
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Well frigs are a good starting point.
Pretty much, whatever it costs to t2 fit the ship with some t1 rigs.
I'd say, in the neighborhood of 5-8 million per ship? |
Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2013.02.21 18:22:00 -
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If you mostly T2 fit it (which you should, especially the guns), probably 5-6 mil or so. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
575
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Posted - 2013.02.21 18:26:00 -
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The ****?
a T2 fitted t1 frig generally costs around 12-15 mill..
Beyond Divinity Recruitment is open! |
Castrisles
8-bit Slackers
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Posted - 2013.02.21 18:33:00 -
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I was about to thank those two and you just put a doubt... I'm probably not going to fully T2 my frigates..
All I know is that the frigs I'm aiming for are 315K naked in a neighbour region.. those modules are starting to feel pretty expensive.. I mean.. I spend 20 mil on a L2 mission boat Caracal.. Surely something is wrong..right? I mean.. 15 mil on a T1 frig... |
Apocrit Vespulus
Moderate Inconvenience
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Posted - 2013.02.21 18:51:00 -
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t2 fits will run you between 8-15 mil generally depending on local prices and the specific modules you need.
t1 fits are significantly cheaper, and you can usually fully t1 fit a frigate for 1.5-3 mil.
Hope that helps. |
Castrisles
8-bit Slackers
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Posted - 2013.02.21 18:54:00 -
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Apocrit Vespulus wrote:t2 fits will run you between 8-15 mil generally depending on local prices and the specific modules you need.
t1 fits are significantly cheaper, and you can usually fully t1 fit a frigate for 1.5-3 mil.
Hope that helps.
That actually helps a LOT!
I guess giving myself a 8 million budget per ship is gonna work.. Thank you everyone! |
Cage Man
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Posted - 2013.02.21 19:13:00 -
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Important to note that fitting T2 and rigs may cost more.. but can be the deciding factor on whether you win or loose a fight... constant loosing will make you frustrated and eventually give up.. same can be said about using faction ammo.
Oh PLEASE!!! CCP Fozzie Can I haz a Navy moa....... |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
575
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Posted - 2013.02.21 20:16:00 -
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t2 fit = you die less often = you lose less isk
Don't worry so much about isk. It ruins the fun.
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Castrisles
8-bit Slackers
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Posted - 2013.02.21 20:21:00 -
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I have no choice but to think about the isk
I can't afford this project right now because I was stupid and screwed myself up.
now I don't have my buzzard, basilisk, drake and raven to get the isk I need to at least BUY the damn things, and am stuck grinding low bounties in a caracal to afford fun. I'm just about to sell a plex just to skip the whole boring level 2 grinding bullcrap I have to go through.
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
575
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Posted - 2013.02.21 21:04:00 -
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Castrisles wrote:I have no choice but to think about the isk
I can't afford this project right now because I was stupid and screwed myself up.
now I don't have my buzzard, basilisk, drake and raven to get the isk I need to at least BUY the damn things, and am stuck grinding low bounties in a caracal to afford fun. I'm just about to sell a plex just to skip the whole boring level 2 grinding bullcrap I have to go through.
Plex is the most time efficient way to get isk
100 mill an hour = >3$
So basically you're making a fraction of minimum wage when you PVE. If you have a job and you want to pvp you're better off just buying plex rather than ruining your time in Eve with that horrible grind.
Beyond Divinity Recruitment is open! |
Castrisles
8-bit Slackers
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Posted - 2013.02.21 21:06:00 -
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yep, my thoughts exactly... except minimum wage is 9.50$ here so I'd be completely screwing myself up haha |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2013.02.21 21:38:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Don't worry so much about isk. It ruins the fun.
This. For the love of all that is holy THIS.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
575
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Posted - 2013.02.21 22:10:00 -
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Castrisles wrote:yep, my thoughts exactly... except minimum wage is 9.50$ here so I'd be completely screwing myself up haha
.... What?
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Castrisles
8-bit Slackers
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Posted - 2013.02.21 22:16:00 -
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imagine working for one third of minimal wage for a month just to play PVP..
sorry if my english isn't perfect, I'm french and sometimes make syntax errors. |
Gah'Matar
Knights of the Nyan
I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
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Posted - 2013.02.21 22:37:00 -
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Sell 2 plexes (~1-1.1B these days), still grind missions but only to unlock L4s not for the ISKs.
Then you can probably still buy 20-30 T2 fit frigs. |
Cage Man
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Posted - 2013.02.21 23:18:00 -
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Castrisles wrote:I have no choice but to think about the isk
I can't afford this project right now because I was stupid and screwed myself up.
now I don't have my buzzard, basilisk, drake and raven to get the isk I need to at least BUY the damn things, and am stuck grinding low bounties in a caracal to afford fun. I'm just about to sell a plex just to skip the whole boring level 2 grinding bullcrap I have to go through.
CCP were kind enough to give us 3 toons one account.. Set them all to work. To fly a bestower and do some ok'ish PI only takes a few days training and between the 3 toons even in HS you should cover at least 1 ship a week. Datacores is another easy way to make isk.. need some more skills for this. Perhaps you need to find a corp that works together, that way you can be running lvl4's with others and taking some salvage, or join a pvp corp that does ship replacement. Put one of you alt toons in FW and go do offensive plexing, don't need to shoot a thing and warp away when challenged.. I could go on.. but I hate typing.. there are lots of ways to make isk in eve.
Oh PLEASE!!! CCP Fozzie Can I haz a Navy moa....... |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
1529
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Posted - 2013.02.21 23:31:00 -
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the cost of a T2 fitted frig depends on the frig you use. It starts quite low at about 3mil and usually dosn't rise above 15mil. PVP isn't very expensive if you stick to T1 frigs.
a eve-style bounty system (done)-á
dust boarding parties
You fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
STSxLight
Corporate Scum
Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.02.21 23:43:00 -
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That's the spirit, go pvp have fun and learn from you're mistakes:) ask some people what to engage and what not, not fun loosing merlin by merlin to a hookbill and not knowing why, I salute you and afther you're first death and kill I welcome you to eve
"Oh, you think nullsec is your ally. But you merely adopted nullsec; I was born in it, moulded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but BLINDING!" |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
Caldari State Capturing
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Posted - 2013.02.22 00:08:00 -
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Castrisles wrote:Hi, I have a quick question.
How much does one usually spend on a PVP gang frigate including modules and ammo?
I'm looking into buying 10 frigates (probably merlins) and trying them out to get a hang of PVP, but I'm gonna have to pace myself with a strict budget.
50mil should do the trick.
Use T2 guns and Damage Control II if you can - The rest can be t1.
Example:
A T1 meta3 scram with 8600ish meter range = approx 30k each last time I bought a pile. (Was a while ago but even if they have risen 10x in price they still worth it)
A T2 scram with 9000ish range = well over a mil each last time I looked.
So 100 Meta3 scrams for 3 mil vs less than 3 T2 scrams - not a tough choice.
My average merlin cost around 4.5mil with T2 guns and ammo being the majority of the cost.
Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
813
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Posted - 2013.02.22 00:29:00 -
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t2 is actually often the cheap and bad option (bad as t2 modules have worse overheating behavior than t1 modules).
t2 warp scrambler: 1.58m ISK
meta 4 warp scrambler: 2.35m ISK
t2 stasis webifier: 1.31m ISK
meta4 stasis webifier: 1.87m ISK
These are current Jita prices - in secondary/tertiary hubs like Rens or Hek the meta4 modules often cost around ~3m ISK.
Here are some of my semi-recent frigate losses:
Crucifier - 9.4m ISK
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15494460
Griffin - 9.8m ISK
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15487272
Rifter - 14.1m ISK
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15458061
Slasher - 15.2m ISK
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15763355
I know that I tend to carry too much ammo (but it's really hard to say how long your ship is going to survive in FW and I'm rather safe than sorry) but none of these fittings can be called extravagant imho.
I'd calculate with a 10-15m ISK per ship budget, less than 10m ISK seems to be pretty low to me.
I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid. |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
Caldari State Capturing
219
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Posted - 2013.02.22 00:37:00 -
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Yeah - that's why Meta 3 is the go. Cheaper and still effective.
Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
JAF Anders
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Samurai Pizza Cats
16
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Posted - 2013.02.22 03:54:00 -
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In general, if you're looking to save a bit of isk (for whatever reason, be it limitations on your budget or you just freaking want to), you'll probably want to look into meta/T1 propulsion and EWAR, though not weapons and tank. Also, don't forget to rig your ships. It does make a great deal of difference. |
Karak Bol
Crepuscular
62
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Posted - 2013.02.22 06:25:00 -
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If you go with long range weapons and kiting fit, you can go with Meta stuff all the way. Some of my best fights were in a T1 fitted Atron. It cost 1 mil fully fitted. |
Karig'Ano Keikira
State War Academy
Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2013.02.22 11:38:00 -
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well, if you cut a bit on rigs (using resistances vs shield extenders) and drop occassional meta 3 or meta 4 instead of t2, you can cut costs quite a bit, but you should at least aim for t2 guns/launchers (most important part imo), extenders / resistance mods and perhaps web; you don't really need t2 scram/disruptor unless you plan on kiting and meta 3 / 4 mods are easier to fit anyway |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
578
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Posted - 2013.02.22 12:05:00 -
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Not flying Rifters will save you a lot of isk.
Beyond Divinity Recruitment is open! |
Castrisles
8-bit Slackers
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Posted - 2013.02.22 16:24:00 -
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Thank you everyone for your time.
I had a lot of success yesterday getting caught and utterly destroyed by a a strategic cruiser while trying to find someone who was probably in a safe spot..
yknow what? I usually am sad when I lose a ship, but this time I had the time of my life, never was that scared XD
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monkfish2345
State Protectorate
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.02.22 16:39:00 -
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wait til you put something worthwhile on the line :).
PVP shakes are the best. |
Ethan Marlock
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.02.22 17:18:00 -
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Bought myself 10 rifters (6M a piece).
T2 for guns, T1 rigs, faction ammo... meta 3 for the remaining.
I proudly died while engaging a stabber fleet issue in front of a bunch of starving sentries.
First lesson : Agression in low sec makees you a suspect, not a criminal : true.
Sentries do not engage suspects : yeah, but they still shoot you on sight if witnessing an agression.
quick death but... yeah i did it, lesson learnt. Lot of fun and adrenalines.
Had a pleasant chat with the stabber after that.
Keep up the good work.
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Lictas Alice
The Men Who Sold Worlds
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Posted - 2013.02.22 17:45:00 -
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I didnt read all the replys because im lazy .
If you want too pvp in a strict budget , you can spend 1-2m on a frig and 3-4m on a dessie and still be extremely effective ( assuming you pick the right targets)
Pick a fitting you really like ,Meta down the modules too 4/3. And setup buyorders for those mods in your local trade hub , Everytime you die , modify your bo's . PVP on the cheap.
My AC trasher costs 3m with rf ammo , arty trasher 2.8m with ammo :) |
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