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Skeln Thargensen
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Posted - 2013.02.26 13:35:00 -
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as an engineering undergrad i find the lack of fuel consumption by 99% of eve's ships puzzling so lets just assume that realism isn't necessarily the primary goal here.
is this going to make the game more boring is the question that should be asked.
I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want. |
Skeln Thargensen
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Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.26 13:49:00 -
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Takseen wrote:Well let's see. Currently highsec manufactures everything. If it was rebalanced correctly, then highsec, nullsec and maybe even lowsec would manufacture stuff. Sounds less boring to me.
depends. are null and low supposed to be like comfortable hobbit holes with all the amenities of high sec or more akin to grim, barely controlled outposts where warlords duke it out for precious gems and maintain supply chains out of necessity?
I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want. |
Skeln Thargensen
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Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.26 14:54:00 -
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Takseen wrote:Both or neither, depending on how the people and resources the holding alliance has at its disposal to protect its space.
If nullsec was the new frontier at the start of Eve, it could be the industrial powerhouse of the United States in the future.
Or it could end up some of the messed up colonies in Africa, or anywhere inbetween. Right now its locked in Africa mode due to game mechanics.
you say that like it's a bad thing. it's an area with unique constraints which make it interesting.
the things about this game that are unconstrained just devalue and cheapen it but i guess if that's what people want then that's what they'll get.
I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want. |
Skeln Thargensen
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Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.27 12:11:00 -
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no one is forced to manufacture anything, since there is a fully functioning market.
I can understand that it's difficult living in null without facilities close by but should it really be easy?
I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want. |
Skeln Thargensen
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Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.27 14:04:00 -
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Takseen wrote:A market supplied by player manufacturers, lest we forget.
From a balance point of view:
Nullsec - low overheads, high efficiency, difficult logistics, poor safety
Highsec - high overheads, low efficiency, easy logistics, excellent safety
makes more sense than giving all the advantages to Highsec as is the case now.
you assume logistics in null are going to be more difficult but it's easier than manufacturing in high and shipping down to null.
but that's the point, it's not about balance, since the risk of manufacturing is identical in any sec status station and logistics risk is measured by hostile space to be covered. it's about whether nullsec would benefit from being self-sufficient in a positive way for the game. if it's just a case of tedious alt juggling and jump freighter chains then maybe so or maybe the state of affairs that led to that being possible was just bad game design.
I don't think homogenising the different areas of the game is in any way a good idea though, if anything all profitable PvE should be shunted out of high instead and leave high exclusively for industry and trade, and training.
I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want. |
Skeln Thargensen
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Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.27 14:07:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:no one is forced to manufacture anything, since there is a fully functioning market.
I can understand that it's difficult living in null without facilities close by but should it really be easy? No one's asking for it to be easy. We're asking for it to be equally viable. We're willing to accept increased risk, difficulty and effort, as long as that's rewarded with sufficient comparitive advantage to make it worthwhile. You ask if null should be easy: a fair question You should also ask if hi-sec should be profitable.
it depends what for. Trade and Industry, yeah. PvE, not so much.
I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want. |
Skeln Thargensen
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Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.27 14:17:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:no one is forced to manufacture anything, since there is a fully functioning market.
I can understand that it's difficult living in null without facilities close by but should it really be easy? Uh, you've got it backwards, the point is that it's actually too easy. There's very little to no conflict being driven by having large nullsec alliances produce everything in highsec and ship it down. It's not as if having stuff sent from highsec into deep null is particularly risky for us. Having our industrialists actually live and produce in null would be very lucrative but it would also be a major conflict driver because the facilities would be vulnerable, either to destruction or to being conquered. Think of the major battles you may have heard of being fought over defending/attacking an alliance's CSAA. Now multiply that by ten for the amount of conflict you gain from adding more significant industrial capacity. Now there's more incentive for alliances to actually use and defend the space they live in.
alright, that makes sense. does that encourage larger alliances though? could that lead to a monopoly, even?
I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want. |
Skeln Thargensen
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Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.27 23:28:00 -
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probably would for silly money.
the problem with mining in low or null security space is that a single person in local is probably going to kill you, b2b alignment speed that can't even beat CONCORD arrival in highsec. or you've got the venture which is fast aligning but can't tank or kill rats for ****.
so basically you don;t want to do that solo.
I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want. |
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