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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
970
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Posted - 2013.02.21 19:23:00 -
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Let's be honest here people (even if only because you need to take a break from ISK scamming every once in a while)...
It seems you can't go 24 hours without some ganker posting another tired "nerf hisec" thread. It's tired. It's old. We're talking Yoda levels of old, ok? And I say gankers because that's who it really is in the end: Gankers who ignore things like wardecs, can flipping, dueling and crimewatch so that they can still put on blinders when claiming that "there isn't enough PvP/risk in hisec" and then try to scrape together the same old tired (chorus) arguments that have nothing to do with their real motivation for the only area where hisec PvP hasn't been made easier (i.e.: ganking).
The saddest arguments they use end up pointing out some weird relationship to the situation in nullsec. Ok, we get that. You have problems in null. For whatever reason, be it gate camps, sov mechanics, titan blobs, moon goo, feudalism, whatever your beef is... it's there. I believe you when you say that these are all problems.
So let's focus on talking about ways to fixing those problems. Let's focus on fixing the things that are actually broken for the people who live & work out there everyday and thus have to deal with it everyday. Pretty much everyone actually living in null faces the problems in null. That's a pretty big demographic, relatively speaking. The only people who are complaining about "problems" in hisec are gankers who think that having to use more than one suicide Catalyst to blow up... well, anything, really... is a "problem." Pretty much everyone actually living in hisec except for the gankers don't see this as a problem.
In other words, you have one area where the majority has a problem with current mechanics. You have another area where majority does not have a problem with current mechanics. So let's put on our logic hats for a minute and ask ourselves: Where should CCP be pointing their screwdrivers?
Of course this won't change anything on GD, of course. The gankers won't be getting their wish for permanent seal hunting season and so will continue to chant their cobweb covered litany about how hisec is "too safe." But it will probably help the area where there actually are problems and make more customers happier out in null. And if fixing null keeps things interesting enough that their permanent residents stop making alt toons to go bully people in hisec out of sheer boredom (and the whine threads that go with it) then that can only be a good thing for both hisec and nullsec. It's a win-win. Well, except for the gankers... but honestly, who cares about those guys?
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J'Poll
The Fiction Factory
Tribal Band
1902
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Posted - 2013.02.21 19:38:00 -
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The big issue of EVE: These kinds of threads.
The worst issue of EVE: Posting a GD thread in NCQA. |
Fractal Muse
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
223
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Posted - 2013.02.21 19:52:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:The big issue of EVE: These kinds of threads.
The worst issue of EVE: Posting a GD thread in NCQA.
You totally beat me to it.
:(
I wonder if the OP realizes which forum they posted in.
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Slymah
33 RD
Rebel Alliance of New Eden
8
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Posted - 2013.02.21 20:01:00 -
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Fractal Muse wrote:J'Poll wrote:The big issue of EVE: These kinds of threads.
The worst issue of EVE: Posting a GD thread in NCQA. You totally beat me to it. :( I wonder if the OP realizes which forum they posted in.
Your face portrays the pain and sorrow I felt when I read this thread. |
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
303
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Posted - 2013.02.21 20:15:00 -
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Wow, I'll never complain that Eve is behind on MMO technology ever again.
Because apparently they've invented magical time portals, for people to make posts from 2005 when Sov null wasn't significantly safer than high-sec yet. |
Dasola
Rookie Empire Citizens
Rookie Empire
152
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Posted - 2013.02.21 20:38:00 -
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Dont let these nerf highsec threads bother you. CCP knows full well if they nerf highsec they are going to loose a lot paying gamers.. Not everyone wants to move to nullsec or lowsec even if they would get buffed seriously.
But thats the best part of eve, it has 4 distinct gameing area for different player types. Highsec, lowsec, nullsec and wormhole space. All these require little different type of players.
Nullsec is mostly about war, ok its too damn peacefull currently, but sooner or later big war will break out somewhere there.
Someone will be bored enough to consider going to war just to get change of pace for while.
Lowsec is about faction warfare and piracy
Highsec is about industry and misison running
Wormhole space is about adventure, can you survive in difficult enviroment where even logistics is challenge?
Yes i do believe nullsec and lowsec could use some more developer attention and ideas to make them more interesting. But when does CCP get arround to do it? Who knows, They have a lot of things needing fixing and iterations in work list.
We are Minmatar, Our ship are made of scraps, but look what our scraps can do... |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1983
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Posted - 2013.02.21 22:39:00 -
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Moving this from New Citizens Q&A to General Discussion.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Captain
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department |
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J'Poll
The Fiction Factory
Tribal Band
1904
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Posted - 2013.02.21 22:44:00 -
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:Moving this from New Citizens Q&A to General Discussion.
Thank you..
* Opens door to the troll * Come in please, make yourself at home. |
EI Digin
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
521
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Posted - 2013.02.21 22:49:00 -
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Do both. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
2339
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Posted - 2013.02.21 22:50:00 -
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:Moving this from New Citizens Q&A to General Discussion.
Dorrim, bud, seriously.... we needed another one of these in here? Really?
This pretty much proves that the ISDs are the biggest trolls of them all.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
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Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
259
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Posted - 2013.02.21 22:51:00 -
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Fix Void first tbh - Null works quite well. |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
459
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Posted - 2013.02.21 22:58:00 -
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Nullsec can't be fixed in isolation to the rest of the game. OP is clueless enough that he could be Trebor's alt and out of touch with reality, implying he's Ripard. Could you post with your main next time, please?
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Vote 315 for CSM 8 |
Takseen
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
263
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Posted - 2013.02.21 23:03:00 -
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Confirming that both high and low sec are absolutely fine.
I assume wormholes are the same, given the lack of wormhole dwellers posting "nerf highsec" threads. |
Kate stark
249
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Posted - 2013.02.21 23:06:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:Moving this from New Citizens Q&A to General Discussion. Dorrim, bud, seriously.... we needed another one of these in here? Really? This pretty much proves that the ISDs are the biggest trolls of them all.
isn't it part of the forum rules to lock duplicate threads?
Obvious Goon alt that's never mined a day in his life(!) |
Abrazzar
881
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Posted - 2013.02.21 23:06:00 -
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These threads start to sound all the same.
Fix Herp !
Nerf Derp !
Followed by 20 pages of hurr and durr.
Mining Overhaul
Nothing changed since 2008. |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
323
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Posted - 2013.02.21 23:32:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Gankers who ignore things like wardecs, can flipping, dueling and crimewatch so that they can still put on blinders when claiming that "there isn't enough PvP/risk in hisec" and then try to scrape together the same old tired (chorus) arguments that have nothing to do with their real motivation for the only area where hisec PvP hasn't been made easier (i.e.: ganking). I couldn't read past this point, both because you equate any of the things you listed with risk (especially duelling, wtf), and because with just this much I have already filled my internet spaceship's tear hold.
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45thtiger 0109
Shadowed Command
Black Core Alliance
5
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Posted - 2013.02.21 23:47:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:These threads start to sound all the same.
Fix Herp !
Nerf Derp !
Followed by 20 pages of hurr and durr.
And Troll a lol a lol   |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
4003
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Posted - 2013.02.21 23:49:00 -
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admiral root wrote:Nullsec can't be fixed in isolation to the rest of the game.
This.
Malcanis for CSM 8
Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
SoOza N'GasZ
Geese Jugglers
43
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Posted - 2013.02.22 00:03:00 -
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Slymah wrote:Fractal Muse wrote:J'Poll wrote:The big issue of EVE: These kinds of threads.
The worst issue of EVE: Posting a GD thread in NCQA. You totally beat me to it. :( I wonder if the OP realizes which forum they posted in. Your face portrays the pain and sorrow I felt when I read this thread.
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
784
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Posted - 2013.02.22 00:05:00 -
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To fix null high must be nerfed.
This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12973
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Posted - 2013.02.22 00:08:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:So let's focus on talking about ways to fixing those problems. Let's focus on fixing the things that are actually broken for the people who live & work out there everyday and thus have to deal with it everyday. Ok. One of the main problems with null is the unbeatable baseline that highsec provides. That baseline has to come down to more reasonable levels in terms of availability, cost, ease of use and logistics.
Fixing null requires nerfing highsec, because highsec is one of the root causes of the problems with null.
Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
Kate stark
250
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Posted - 2013.02.22 00:14:00 -
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just throwing it out there, add more low ends to spod and gneiss.
you know it makes sense.
Obvious Goon alt that's never mined a day in his life(!) |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
982
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Posted - 2013.02.22 02:05:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Ok. One of the main problems with null is the unbeatable baseline that highsec provides. That baseline has to come down to more reasonable levels in terms of availability, cost, ease of use and logistics.
Or you could just, y'now, buff null industry to be on par or greater than that in hisec. Assuming, of course, that we're talking about that issue for real and not just looking for "moar ganking" excuses.
Personally I think the low refinement rates and limited slots on POSs need to be brought up hisec NPC station standards as a minimum. In fact, making them work even better than NPC stations would be a good idea to offset all the expense and hassle of running a POS.
Tippia wrote:Fixing null requires nerfing highsec, because highsec is one of the root causes of the problems with null.
And the only way to protect American democracy is to nuke England, for truly their monarchic system of government is a threat to our way of life.
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Agnar Volta
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
64
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Posted - 2013.02.22 02:26:00 -
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Did you know that in the turn of the 20th century the biggest problem that New York was facing was horse manure?
All the experts and specialist of the time had long and boring debates about how to deal with this terrible problem, as if the city kept growing at the same rate soon horse manure would make it impossible to live in the city.
All those specialist could do was to project the future based on the past and present experience at the time.
Not a single one could see that the cheap car manufactured by Ford was the solution to their problem as it made the horse obsolete for public transportation.
One can only hope that people in CCP will invent some kind of game play that will make all these boring treads full of specialists discussing old ideas obsolete as well.
It happen before when the forum was full of the same people discussing how to limit size of fleets to fix lag. CCP came with TD and those treads full of "good" ideas proposed by the best minds in the game suddenly died.
One can only hope. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
4005
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Posted - 2013.02.22 02:30:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Or you could just, y'now, buff null industry to be on par or greater than that in hisec. Assuming, of course, that we're talking about that issue for real and not just looking for "moar ganking" excuses.
Yes, buff null industry so that refining in null will yield more minerals than used in construction!
Malcanis for CSM 8
Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
Tesal
205
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Posted - 2013.02.22 02:45:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Katran Luftschreck wrote:So let's focus on talking about ways to fixing those problems. Let's focus on fixing the things that are actually broken for the people who live & work out there everyday and thus have to deal with it everyday. Ok. One of the main problems with null is the unbeatable baseline that highsec provides. That baseline has to come down to more reasonable levels in terms of availability, cost, ease of use and logistics. Fixing null requires nerfing highsec, because highsec is one of the root causes of the problems with null.
Nerfing hi-sec to the point where null becomes the producer of choice would lead to decline and the eventual obsolescence of hi-sec industry. That would exclude hi-sec industrialists and new players from production. I don't think that would be a desirable effect. As things stand now, everyone has accessibility to industry in hi-sec, no one is being excluded. The result of such a change could end up being worse than the problem it is supposed to solve, putting most industry in the hands of a few powerful players who will abuse their position and secure the lions share of the profits for themselves and their cohorts. That could mean even greater concentration of power in large coalitions.
The problem in null is that there is too much power in too few hands not that hi-sec is too good.
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air
3190
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Posted - 2013.02.22 02:52:00 -
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I merely say rebalance the industrial capacity of all the regions around their ship and goods consumption rate. That is the definition of fair. Newbies can still manufacture to fuel highsec conflicts and whatnot and nullsec industrialists will be called upon to fuel nullsec wars. The problem with universal outsourcing of industry to highsec is that it pits newbie industrialists against the most advanced and resource-rich industrial operations in EVE. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
Casoff
839
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Posted - 2013.02.22 02:55:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Or you could just, y'now, buff null industry to be on par or greater than that in hisec. Assuming, of course, that we're talking about that issue for real and not just looking for "moar ganking" excuses.
Personally I think the low refinement rates and limited slots on POSs need to be brought up hisec NPC station standards as a minimum. In fact, making them work even better than NPC stations would be a good idea to offset all the expense and hassle of running a POS.
if i'll only ever have nine manufacturing jobs and ten slots, there is no practical difference between my ten slots and infinite slots
how should nullsec POS be buffed to be better than highsec industry when highsec has infinite free slots
how should POS refine rates be made greater than one hundred percent
your op is horrible btw. you don't address any 'nerf highsec' or 'increase risk' arguments and dismiss those that make them with 'they only want ganks don't listen to them'. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air
3190
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Posted - 2013.02.22 02:57:00 -
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True but arguments like Katran's are great for we can use them to inform the not-Katrans what EVE is really like. |
Tesal
206
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Posted - 2013.02.22 03:06:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:...what EVE is really like.
From what I understand, that's not for you to say exclusively, its a sandbox, so there is more than one right answer.
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