Higher prices are a good thing. The game is already facing heavy power creep. Making it harder to acquire "things" means more generic every day content merely from the creation and acquisition of goods.

The people who care about a hisec indy nerf are the miniscule minority of super-industrialists that produce on such a massive scale in the pure safety of hisec that the vast majority of players are priced right out of even trying to compete. Everyone else shouldn't suffer poorer game play because a few people want to have their mega empires with 14 accounts all minmaxing enormous industrial chains perfectly safe from any form of interference or new market entrants.

A thousand tears for the ~200 hypernerds that will no longer be able to price everyone else out of a major element of the game.

And the majority of people who make claims like this are just looking for ways to try and villianify those against their ideas while knowing nothing about the people involved. The only people higher prices are good for are the kind of people you're talking about. The super-industrialists who stand to make a higher profit.

Too low though and you make an entire section of the game unappealing which also causes everyone problems. The most vital thing to any economy is stability.

Actually its newbs that often make the low price.

So ships will be slightly more expensive. So what?
That's not justification for keeping things the way they are.

Actually it is a justification, just not a good one.

Let's try simple causal relations here. The mechanics change so it becomes harder to mass-produce. The decline of mass-production means prices rise.

Now let's add yours. The rise in prices benefits the mass-producer. See the problem with your logic here?

Here's the part you're missing. More of the ISK in existence goes to the mass

And the majority of people who make claims like this are just looking for ways to try and villianify those against their ideas while knowing nothing about the people involved. The only people higher prices are good for are the kind of people you're talking about. The super-industrialists who stand to make a higher profit. Too low though and you make an entire section of the game unappealing which also causes everyone problems. The most vital thing to any economy is stability.

Amazing how plexing 14 accounts and using someone elses spreadsheets in some dumb video game makes some morons believe that they're suddenly smart.

People sell at whatever price they can get. The price is set by the few people who produce everything on an enormous scale, not the random noob making his first cruiser.

Sorry about the impending doom of your 14 account just-in-time-delivery hisec industrial empire. A thousand tears for your travails.

This is literally nonsensical. The prices are rising in direct correlation with the less money that the massproducer is making. They are rising because his capacity to massproduce has been hampered.

The rest of your post is just utter made-up garbage, something you have literally just invented on the spot and has no connection whatsoever with reality.

Stop posting.

Here's the part you're missing. More of the ISK in existence goes to the mass producer increasing the gap between poor and wealthy, similar to how its been working in real life, or have you not noticed the gas price situation with the oil companies continuing to rake in record profits despite the price rises being supposedly because of production difficulties? Or how despite the economy reducing how much the average person makes, there are companies that continue to make more and more. This is because despite the price changes, despite the supply, the demand remains the same so they realize they can get more out of them for less. Its logic based off a very very real situation. Reality provides the evidence just fine regardless of how it sounds.

And James. I didn't say change nothing, just not to change the thing that you think will solve everything. You'd realize that if you were paying any attention.

I'm down to my main now and that's it.

I'm glad you weep for me. Thank you for your tears.

And James. I didn't say change nothing, just not to change the thing that you think will solve everything. You'd realize that if you were paying any attention.

This isn't the real world where the poor get stuck in a system designed to keep them poor, and the wealthy get wealthier.

WTF are you talking about?

An industrialist is not someone that builds a few T1 items.

I'm pretty sure Newbie Miners/Industrialists are building a lot of T1 items collectivly.

I mean who else is newb enough to make all those items under the cost of the actual minerals.

That's the effect of the superindustrialist. Because they have no hindrances or diseconomies of scale, they can make profit on absolutely razor thin margins by mass-sourcing and mass-producing. When some random scrub tries to build a few cruisers, on the other hand, his even slightest deviation from utterly perfected megaindustrial practices means he is building at a loss.

Again, the only people who are negatively affected by reducing hisec capacity are those who have pushed the limits to absolute absurdity through perfect safety and multi-accounting.

Building 1 or a 1000 of an item below mineral cost is still a loss. No one is making a true profit by selling at such prices. (Except maybe station traders who bought the item even at a lower price).

I'm pretty sure Newbie Miners/Industrialists are building a lot of T1 items collectivly.

I mean who else is newb enough to make all those items under the cost of the actual minerals.

Except the people who paid less for the minerals or production through expert mass-sourcing and maximized skills/BPOs etc.

The superindustrialists make the margins razor thin, then a few noobs who want to have fun push it over the edge here and there. In the grand scheme, they guy producing a thousand still makes money if some of his stuff gets driven below his build cost here and there; the random scrub gets nothing ever.

That's the effect of the superindustrialist. Because they have no hindrances or diseconomies of scale, they can make profit on absolutely razor thin margins by mass-sourcing and mass-producing. When some random scrub tries to build a few cruisers, on the other hand, his even slightest deviation from utterly perfected megaindustrial practices means he is building at a loss.

Again, the only people who are negatively affected by reducing hisec capacity are those who have pushed the limits to absolute absurdity through perfect safety and multi-accounting.

And you think somehow if there is a nerf, the superindustrialist wouldn't be at a significant advantage where this is largely unchanged? Yeeeeeah... no... this is one aspect that wouldn't change without removing refining skills and the like entirely.

The quantity that you produce, whether it's 1 or 100, has no bearin gon your ability to get market value for that item. Shut up already.

I've already explained how it works. Not complicated.

I've already explained how it works. Not complicated.

I'm sick of seeing peoeple make comments abou this area of the game, that they clearly are not participating in and only give a **** because "high sec" is involved.

T2 production in high sec NEEDS TO BE LIMITTED. There's NO FAIR COMPETITION, it's entirely slanted to a single area of the game.

Except that moons are in low and especially null, as are the reaction farms which are highly profitable if you do the right reactions. Goons in particular have tech moons which pays for ship replacement and sov bills. Hi-sec corps don't have that advantage. Its not entirely slanted one way. Its a balance.