New to the game so I wont pretend to have a bit of an understanding of the culture war between null high and low sec, but reading through the first few pages of arguments makes me chuckle a bit. I do realize this is a video game, but games mimic life and life lessons since that is what designers pull from when creating them. Where in the world is efficient industry run on the front lines of any conflict? Highsec is the equivalent of an industrialized nation / arms dealer pumping cheap weapons into a war zone and laughing all the way to the bank with the blood money.

as an engineering undergrad i find the lack of fuel consumption by 99% of eve's ships puzzling so lets just assume that realism isn't necessarily the primary goal here.

is this going to make the game more boring is the question that should be asked.

Well let's see. Currently highsec manufactures everything. If it was rebalanced correctly, then highsec, nullsec and maybe even lowsec would manufacture stuff. Sounds less boring to me.

depends. are null and low supposed to be like comfortable hobbit holes with all the amenities of high sec or more akin to grim, barely controlled outposts where warlords duke it out for precious gems and maintain supply chains out of necessity?

Both or neither, depending on how the people and resources the holding alliance has at its disposal to protect its space.
If nullsec was the new frontier at the start of Eve, it could be the industrial powerhouse of the United States in the future.
Or it could end up some of the messed up colonies in Africa, or anywhere inbetween. Right now its locked in Africa mode due to game mechanics.

If nullsec gets industry on par with highsec, what reason will there be for trade between nullsec and highsec?

as an engineering undergrad i find the lack of fuel consumption by 99% of eve's ships puzzling so lets just assume that realism isn't necessarily the primary goal here.

is this going to make the game more boring is the question that should be asked.

The same reason as now: to exchange materials and goods.

Yeah, but now there's stuff that it isn't practical to make in nullsec (possible, but not practical, especially in the desired quantities).

That's a pretty big driver for trade right there.

If I follow a lot of the suggestions between this thread and others, lower payouts in highsec, higher production in nullsec, and the result is less of a market for high-end nullsec products in highsec and less of a need for highsec products in nullsec.

This dramatically reduces trade incentives between the regions.

This might be good or bad depending on your perspective, but it would be a dramatic change in the nature of the game for everyone.

If nullsec gets industry on par with highsec, what reason will there be for trade between nullsec and highsec?

If nullsec gets industry on par with highsec, what reason will there be for trade between nullsec and highsec?

One person's problem is another's opportunity.

What you describe in your post is not inaccurate, but you need to think a bit more about why things are the way they are before diagnosing the situation as a problem.

Not accurate?

That's a load of a bullshit and quite frankly I resent the idea that I would misrepresent myself by lieing.


You obviously do not, nor have you ever, done a bit of manufacturing in null sec. So I thank you for putting in your 2 cents on something you don't know **** about.

He did say 'not inaccurate'. which is a bit of a double negative, but still.

GǪand as you should have noticed by now, that's not really what anyone's asking. The balance change is that it should be better to produce directly in null rather than do all your production in high and then importing the goods to null.

Well, you failed to include a number of costs, for oneGǪ

...Completely speculative number with no evidence. 20%...

Not once have I said anything against not fixing the quality of life issues, but hey, whatever helps you sleep at night. I posted about a lot of different things, but you want to pretend I've been against fixing the quality of life stuff that's gone wrong, then not only are you not wrong, you're just not paying attention. When you talk about nerfing something though, you go beyond just quality of life issues. Getting real tired of that on these forums "oh, you're against this". No, I'm not, quit putting words into people's mouths because you don't like what they say about something else.

Frigate prices doubling I think surpasses that limit quite a bit.

You weren't just asking for being able to "eat where you live" level of change however. You were one of the ones talking specifically about exporting stuff into high sec.

And as I said, there's a limit to how far inflation can rise.

Not to mention from my understanding, there were a lot of changes that lead up to that increase and buffered the damage that was done.

Hell, in terms of actually equalizing high sec and null sec's production costs the amount of nerfing to high sec required is actually pretty minimal at worst, but if you're going to account for exporting like you and a few others have mentioned, that's when you get into the range of absurdity at the current costs.

Hell, in terms of actually equalizing high sec and null sec's production costs the amount of nerfing to high sec required is actually pretty minimal at worst.