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GoGo Yubari
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Posted - 2005.08.02 15:16:00 -
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Yea, I remember being a new player and running m0o blockades back then. You guys had a lot of Tempests and I grew to like the damage output of the 1400mm. It was back then I knew I'd want to fly the ship myself.
Of course, things changed and I became a missile-***** until things changed again. Now, I got the Tempest skills pretty much maxed out and I'm liking it.
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Cosmic Dragon
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Posted - 2005.08.02 15:44:00 -
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First off ill say fly what you want as long as you are having fun thats what counts.
Now 3 mil sp is not enough to fly a cruiser well let alone a battleship. My bare minimum for flying a battleship will have to be 10 mil sp [Excluding learning skills and industry], thats for flying any races battleship to fly the mimitar one i dont really know ive only just started looking at the tempest myself so i dont know. But i hear that one needs a lot more sp than other classes so if anyone here can gine advice on rough sp ammounts before aproaching one of these let me know.
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Jet Collins
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Posted - 2005.08.02 17:08:00 -
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There have Post and more post on the # of Sp you should have before you get into a Tempest because of how skill intensive the ship is.
This is all I have to say, yes you can fly the tempest with 3 mil skills but don't expect to be killing any other players in an other ships. My suggestion would be to use it only for missions and NPCing until you figure out what you can do in the ship with the # of skills you have, which probbaly isn't much.
I have been flying the tempest for missions for sever months now and I just passed the 19mil Sp mark(yes my sig needs updating) And I probably could take on some players with it but don't cause I know there are skill areas that I should be alot higher in.
Basically the tempest requires alot of skills in alot of areas. I could get into this but I won't because it differnet for what you plan to do with it and also everyone as there own ideas.
Just go out there and do what you want and be prepaired to lose alot of isk :) Thats about it 
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Masu'di
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Posted - 2005.08.02 17:21:00 -
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 Originally by: darth solo
Tempest takes many skills to be good.... BUT its a game, fly what u want and dont be put off with ppl saying "omg, NEVER fly a ship unless u have X skillpoints".
d solo.
that's what i was thinking too when reading through the posts.
i guess all the veterans hate to see new players stepping out of place. "those young pups not doing things by the book! honestly!"
as darth says, it's a game and play it how you want - and take forum queens with a pinch of salt..
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madaluap
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Posted - 2005.08.02 19:05:00 -
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Edited by: madaluap on 02/08/2005 19:05:52
Originally by: Cosmic Dragon
First off ill say fly what you want as long as you are having fun thats what counts.
Now 3 mil sp is not enough to fly a cruiser well let alone a battleship. My bare minimum for flying a battleship will have to be 10 mil sp [Excluding learning skills and industry], thats for flying any races battleship to fly the mimitar one i dont really know ive only just started looking at the tempest myself so i dont know. But i hear that one needs a lot more sp than other classes so if anyone here can gine advice on rough sp ammounts before aproaching one of these let me know.
wow dude you are over the top...i started flying my first bs when i had 1.5 mil sp. i mined in my megathron in 0.7 
yes i was a complete noob, but i mined long enough..about 1 month to get my second bs: a raven. than i started hunting ebil pirates in syndicate and ended up losing my uninsured raven.
i had a great time!
after that i started doing lvl 2 missions. i did that in a thorax fitted with 5 smartbombs...max volley npc kill ever...7X 2.5 k in 1 sb-volley.
offcourse that was all 1.3 years ago, but still. yes the bs was sooo over the top for me, but i cant be arsed.
but what you are saying is that with 3 mil sp you cant use a cruizer properly..never heard so much bull****. cruizer has more hp than frig. so the sooner you get in 1, the better. if you are talking about npc/mining.
with 5 mil sp you can fly a bs well for normal stuff like lvl 3 missions. but at 1 mil sp you can fly a bs too, but only for mining in 0.5+
it shouldnt be such a big deal, minimum sp. but 1 BIG note is that you shouldnt pvp with such a low ammount of sp, you will die in a horific, but still funny way.
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Hamatitio
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Posted - 2005.08.02 19:51:00 -
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If a player with 30 mil sps loses his ship to 2 3.8 mil sp characters, I will laugh at him.
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Sobeseki Pawi
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Posted - 2005.08.02 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Hamatitio
If a player with 30 mil sps loses his ship to 2 3.8 mil sp characters, I will laugh at him.
Why? sp doesnt mean jack in reference to the competence of the pilot.
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Cosmic Dragon
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Posted - 2005.08.02 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap
Edited by: madaluap on 02/08/2005 19:05:52
Originally by: Cosmic Dragon
First off ill say fly what you want as long as you are having fun thats what counts.
Now 3 mil sp is not enough to fly a cruiser well let alone a battleship. My bare minimum for flying a battleship will have to be 10 mil sp [Excluding learning skills and industry], thats for flying any races battleship to fly the mimitar one i dont really know ive only just started looking at the tempest myself so i dont know. But i hear that one needs a lot more sp than other classes so if anyone here can gine advice on rough sp ammounts before aproaching one of these let me know.
wow dude you are over the top...i started flying my first bs when i had 1.5 mil sp. i mined in my megathron in 0.7
yes i was a complete noob, but i mined long enough..about 1 month to get my second bs: a raven. than i started hunting ebil pirates in syndicate and ended up losing my uninsured raven.
i had a great time!
after that i started doing lvl 2 missions. i did that in a thorax fitted with 5 smartbombs...max volley npc kill ever...7X 2.5 k in 1 sb-volley.
offcourse that was all 1.3 years ago, but still. yes the bs was sooo over the top for me, but i cant be arsed.
but what you are saying is that with 3 mil sp you cant use a cruizer properly..never heard so much bull****. cruizer has more hp than frig. so the sooner you get in 1, the better. if you are talking about npc/mining.
with 5 mil sp you can fly a bs well for normal stuff like lvl 3 missions. but at 1 mil sp you can fly a bs too, but only for mining in 0.5+
it shouldnt be such a big deal, minimum sp. but 1 BIG note is that you shouldnt pvp with such a low ammount of sp, you will die in a horific, but still funny way.
Good points ill just say i was refering to pvp no pve as pve is farly easy and predictable.
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Ras Blumin
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Posted - 2005.08.03 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: perfection
As a Tempest driver I have found yes it is skill intensive .. but be patient and train the results are well worth it you can either tank or damage not both. I took out another tempest in 3 volleys. And using defenders in rocket launchers to take away the teeth of the raven they become easy meat too. When you get an average shot of 600 to 900 from each of the 6 1400II's it becomes worth it. Train for it but be patient.
You can get an ok shield tank with 5 mids, and still fill the lows with gyro's.
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Warm0nger
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Posted - 2005.08.03 21:30:00 -
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Yea.. don't try to fly one with 3m skill points... You need about 4mil skill points in gunnery just to use large projectiles well. However, once u get the skill points, I think a tempest is a good damage dealer :)
(/me remembers flying a Raven with 950k skill points and using heavy missiles for L3 missions cause I couldn't use torps at the time hehe)
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Jalia Kovac
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Posted - 2005.08.04 00:09:00 -
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Three months into the game I was flying a Megathron with a medium blaster/siege setup in The Syndicate shooting at Domi/Mega spawns.
The first day I got MWDs my corpmate and I went cavorting and bookmarking deep into 0.0 space for my first trip into out of the empires.
Moral of the story? There are loads of fun things to do that might be a little risky or crazy. Take insurance and be prepared to lose your ship.
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S'ne Aer
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Posted - 2005.08.04 05:03:00 -
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Ok, scenario:
PvP
Lone Tempest, extreme long range sniper, meets (or spots from afar, rather),
Enemy lone Apocalypse, (extreme) long range sniper..
And begin firing at each other from all turrets.
both captains have 10 mill+ relevant skills and are cool customers.
Now I know my Minmatar ships fairly well, and own and fly a Tempest, but my Amarr ship knowledge is sadly lacking. I would say the Tempest 1200 or 1400 Howie damage would outdo the Apocalypse damage, but would wager that the Apoc could sustain more damage.
Anyone see a probable outcome? Now no warping to recharge allowed, these two pilots are sworn enemies and lock to the death!
S'ne
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Phonix
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Posted - 2005.08.04 08:34:00 -
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Originally by: S'ne Aer
Ok, scenario:
PvP
Lone Tempest, extreme long range sniper, meets (or spots from afar, rather),
Enemy lone Apocalypse, (extreme) long range sniper..
And begin firing at each other from all turrets.
both captains have 10 mill+ relevant skills and are cool customers.
Now I know my Minmatar ships fairly well, and own and fly a Tempest, but my Amarr ship knowledge is sadly lacking. I would say the Tempest 1200 or 1400 Howie damage would outdo the Apocalypse damage, but would wager that the Apoc could sustain more damage.
Anyone see a probable outcome? Now no warping to recharge allowed, these two pilots are sworn enemies and lock to the death!
S'ne
Depends on one's fittings 100%
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Slaveabuser
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Posted - 2005.08.04 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: Monkeyshead
Edited by: Monkeyshead on 01/08/2005 20:12:50
Hi all
As a noob, I was wondering if the Tempest is any good for PVP?
Could anyone advise me on how to set one up I only have 3 mil SP which I have 1 mil in gunnery any advise would be greatful
Thanks in advance
Monk...
Hey there. Sounds like you are totally ready for a Tempest. I say go ahead and do some PVP mate!
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2005.08.04 13:24:00 -
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The Tempest lives or dies with its skills and equipment.
At low skills and standard EQ its a decent ship for PvE, with some skill you can use it to solo lev 4 missions, do many complexes and so on but compared to the other BS's with the same amounts of skill and same price tag on the modules it dosnt performe very well.
The ship however goes through a transformation when you stick in the proper (and sadly expensive) modules and back it upp with very high skills.
Sadly this will meen people are soon going to scream for a nerf as the dedicated Tempest pilots out there are getting more numerous.
The fact that the tempest pilot will have a real expensive setup and miliopns of SP's behind his belt wont make a difference to people who suddenly find their cheaply fit BS backed upp with fair skills simply cant contend with the Tempest and that is why I hope the developers dont listen to the comunity :)
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samuel wilson
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Posted - 2005.08.04 22:26:00 -
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i remember just b4 nwo a corp pvp contest ... i wans in my trust tempest with 3 mill sp .... i was placed against a 10 mill sp raven pilot
we warped to the a point 50k from each other ... perfect for PP :) the first salvo from my 1400's removed 5k shields from the reven ... second was 50% armor ... 3rd was into structer .....out of the 2 salvo's of torps fired at me 2 hit :)....my setup at the time was 6x 1400 scout 2x rocket with defenders 6 damage mod 1x rcu 3x tracking mod 2x sensor booster.....i just loved the 2k wrecking i got from it ...... and that setup was good for **some** lvl 4 agent missions ... the 1 time i tried it in pvp was against another tempest @120k+... my lack of sp showed a little there
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Romano Solaris
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Posted - 2005.08.04 23:14:00 -
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Originally by: Hamatitio
If a player with 30 mil sps loses his ship to 2 3.8 mil sp characters, I will laugh at him.
30m sp in a Dominix
2x 3.8m SP in Gankageddons
wonder who will win that fight.....
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Ohne
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Posted - 2005.08.05 00:49:00 -
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8 mills in gunnery and tempest pwns everything :)
with the advanced weap upgrades you can fit 6x 1400s t2 and 6x Gyros.
With aproxx 19 dmg mod and 8 sec rof... the DoT will be insane :)
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Cummilla
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Posted - 2005.08.05 00:59:00 -
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My little minnie alt has about 3.5 mil sp. He's been highly focused to max gunnery skills and has almost started his medium proj specs. Another few weeks he'll be able to use Large T2 weps. All his ancillary gunnery skills are at 4 or better. So I'm not sure where this perception that a tempest pilot must have oogles of sp comes from. My guy's been pirating since he had 2.5 mil sp and I have the negative 1.5 sec rating to show. Not a ton of pirating mind you in comparison to some, but hell not bad. And he's never lost a ship.
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VossKarr
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Posted - 2005.08.05 01:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ohne
8 mills in gunnery and tempest pwns everything :)
with the advanced weap upgrades you can fit 6x 1400s t2 and 6x Gyros.
With aproxx 19 dmg mod and 8 sec rof... the DoT will be insane :)
or 7x Gyros on a Machariel... 
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P'ercev'hal
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Posted - 2005.08.05 04:17:00 -
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Edited by: P''ercev''hal on 05/08/2005 04:18:45
The Tempest is quite a fun ship to fly once you get used to it.
Seems as how I never seem to fly alone, I go all gank.
Long Range
Highs:
6x 1400 (T2 if at all possible) 2x Assault (Defender/Light missiles) just incase.
Mediums:
2x Sensor Booster II, 3x Tracking Computer II
Lows:
5x Gyrostabilizer II, 1x RCU
Short Range
Replace the medium slots with this:
1x Target Painter II, 1x Sensor Booster II, 3x Tracking Computer II
Then load up some short range ammo, EMP or Phased Plasma
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Fred0
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Posted - 2005.08.05 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ohne
8 mills in gunnery and tempest pwns everything :)
That's a common misconception. Alot in gunnery brings it up to par. But definitely not above. It has volley damage, the other ships have dot on it.
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Soros
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Posted - 2005.08.05 09:15:00 -
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A 110k snipeing battle? the apoc warps out, and back within 30k of you, even with tach's his guns will track better at close range so, you die, if u have a frig scrambling, he will probally die :D
-= Soros =-
BoB
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NateX
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Posted - 2005.08.05 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: mimik
Originally by: Felsin
Edited by: Felsin on 02/08/2005 06:08:54
Tempests are best left alone. They take atleast 15mill sp to fly well and even then a tech1 frigate can kill it. Not to mention they are slow as hell and horrible agility. Their guns have crappy range too. And who wants to use ammo? Yuck
If I were you I would fly a typhoon as its much better in pvp and pve.
a tech1 frig can kill a tempest if the pilot has 15mill sps - i'd like to see that. i suppose if the 15mill sps were in science, industry and learning then possibly and the pilot was afk at the time.
where do u get the idea that a tempest is slow? minmatar BS have the highest base speed of any BS, machariel excepted. so in relation to all other BS it is actually quite speedy.
If he can beat the shield recharging 
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munchy
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Posted - 2005.08.05 10:38:00 -
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you guys are all nuts, you can fly a bs with 3m sp, i have 12m sp, i dont have bs 5, large turret 5 or anything like that, and im spread across 2 races, but i would say im pretty competent in an apoc or a megathron.
skills dont mean as much as people make out, its the setups that really matter, focus on your fitting skills, and get gunnery to around 4, and you should be a great battleship pilot.
skills arent everything
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Randuin MaraL
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Posted - 2005.08.05 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: darth solo
Tempest takes many skills to be good.... BUT its a game, fly what u want and dont be put off with ppl saying "omg, NEVER fly a ship unless u have X skillpoints".
d solo.
I'll drink to that.
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bigsteve
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Posted - 2005.08.05 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Felsin
Edited by: Felsin on 02/08/2005 06:08:54
Tempests are best left alone. They take atleast 15mill sp to fly well and even then a tech1 frigate can kill it. Not to mention they are slow as hell and horrible agility. Their guns have crappy range too. And who wants to use ammo? Yuck
If I were you I would fly a typhoon as its much better in pvp and pve.
WRONG, Some for the Matari ships are fasts and most agile out of all Ships.
Now I have been in the game for over 18 months I started out as an industurialist with a little missioning (180K LP with SPacelane patrol) when bored, for the first 10 months of that time all i trained was skills needed to mine & build stuff, THEN when i did not need any more skill in those fields, I started my Gunnery and Ship skills, and my GOD it is SO much more exciting that sitting in a belt mining.
The Tempest is the Best damn PvP Battleship in the game, i would say, if the circumstances are right you can hit do well over 2500 damage per shot.
My current Fleet battle set-up is:
6 x 1400mmII, 2 x Assualt launchers
2 x Sensor Booster II's, 3 x Tracking Comp II's
4 x Gyro II's, 1 x Tranking Enh II's, 1 x RCU II.
I sone time change to Target Painter II's for some variaty.
Now with all those Tech II modules you would expect it to be expensive to out fit it, will its not. Because I have the Skills to fit Tech II Modules I dont have to fit the Extremely overprice Named ones that are for sale, I think I can kit out my Tempest for under 50mill with Tech II, but with named stuff it could be 4 times that may be more.
Also just to let you know i have:
6,712,145 SP's in Gunnery, and i still have 3 more battleship related skills to get to level V, Large Art, Surg Strike & Traj Anal
2,106,268 in SSC, with Matari BS V still to do.
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Slaveabuser
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Posted - 2005.08.05 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: munchy
you guys are all nuts, you can fly a bs with 3m sp
Yes, and you will die quickly.
Quote:
i have 12m sp,
Good for you.
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munchy
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Posted - 2005.08.06 00:09:00 -
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what was the point of that post? just to say "no" ?
why? eplain why give an argument if you're gonna disagree.
and dude, what was the point in singleing out my SP, its not like i was boasting, i was pointint out that i didnt have loads of skill points but i can fly multiple races of bs's fine
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Slaveabuser
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Posted - 2005.08.06 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: munchy
what was the point of that post? just to say "no" ?
why? eplain why give an argument if you're gonna disagree.
A character with 3 million skillpoints and flies lets say a raven probably only have bs level 2 or something. His missile skills would be low aswell as his engineering and electronic skills. Something that will result in getting owned by a player with propper engineering/gunnery skills.
Are you really that thick that I need to explain this to you?
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