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Monkeyshead	Posted - 2005.08.01 20:06:00 - [1]
JoeSomebody	Posted - 2005.08.01 20:07:00 - [2] you jokin, right? ____ When flying by Concord Customs Commander's Dominix I distinctly heard him saying "... world domination..."
Alowishus	Posted - 2005.08.01 20:11:00 - [3] Go back in time about a year and ask that. A lot of people, who are now curiously silent, would say no and then wallow in their own self pitty.
Vathar	Posted - 2005.08.01 20:14:00 - [4] Don't fly a Tempest with so few skill points, especially in pvp, Tempest is probably the most skill intensive BS, but properly flown, it ROCKS !! ____________ Space Shaman Don't take life seriously, you'll not survive it anyway (\_/) (O.o) (> <) yay, got my bunny too !!
LUKEC	Posted - 2005.08.01 20:19:00 - [5] 3 mil sp = no no for BS in pvp, because if you care about your char, there is ~2 mil in learning. For low sp, i'd go for scorp or intys. Good tacklers are worth far more than idiots with guns.
Alowishus	Posted - 2005.08.01 20:24:00 - [6] True. And there is something to be said for folks who can hop in a Ceptor or AF and kill every frig and cruiser they run across.
Frost Killer	Posted - 2005.08.01 20:24:00 - [7] Totally correct.... 3mil SP is a big no no for a BS, expecially a tempest. Tempest is definatly skill intensive due to the shield/armor tanking abilities that it does have. But also to get the maximum out of this ship you want good gunnery, let alone nav, engineering, electronics, mechanical for certain pieces of equipment and getting the most power out of the ship. I use to fly the tempest a while back (not this character obviously) but even back then it was rated a weak ship yet I still flew it and stuck out by it. Its a deadly piece of machinery if flowen properly. --------------------------------------------------- Ummm ya....
Liu Kaskakka	Posted - 2005.08.01 20:24:00 - [8] Originally by: LUKEC idiots with guns. Idiots with big guns ftw.
Sobeseki Pawi	Posted - 2005.08.01 20:24:00 - [9] PvP in a Stabber for awhile, great fun and not so expensive to lose. ~Sobe Captain Cutie, Razor's Kiss Combat Pilot and looking for a corp? Check AGSYN out here
GoGo Yubari	Posted - 2005.08.01 20:40:00 - [10] Originally by: Liu Kaskakka Originally by: LUKEC idiots with guns. Idiots with big guns ftw. Sign me up for that idiocy.
Grayson Burrows	Posted - 2005.08.01 20:41:00 - [11] Originally by: Alowishus Go back in time about a year and ask that. A lot of people, who are now curiously silent, would say no and then wallow in their own self pitty. I noticed that too. I think it's because people figured out that it's a gimped ship compared to others with low skills, and only a real shiner after the SP investment. Because of that, people would use it with L2-L3ish skills and whine to town about how much their baby suuuuucks. Why train something higher when it obviously () sucks so badly? I started training towards it in the midst of all the whining. Anyone in my corp can tell you that I'm a numbers guy, and it's not hard to figure out that you get alot of mileage out of RoF and damage bonuses with a gun that has base stats of 23.625 seconds and 5.75x damage. I cooked up a little theory that it'd turn into a monster with L4-L5 skills, and hey, guess what, it became a monster. Now it's pretty much common knowledge that the Tempest is crazy once you put the skills in. ...Mostly because people have heard what T2 1400s can do, I suspect.
0verkill	Posted - 2005.08.01 20:54:00 - [12] Actually about a year and a half ago tempests were the flavor of the month. I was in m0o at the time and our fleets were 70% tempests, 30% scorp. Then came the tracking changes and the cap relay nerf and tempests were again at the bottom of the barrel. It is only recently since the insti damage melt them in one volly fleets have become populaar that tempests have again come to the top. 0verkill Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean we aren't out to get you.
Dragon Slave	Posted - 2005.08.01 21:31:00 - [13] My theory is that the tempest became good again when the T2 stuff came, though it took a while before people actually started to like them because of heavy skills needed for T2 large guns (especially). Though I can safely say that with something like 5m SP in gunnery, lvl 4 BS and lots of other skills at lvl 5 for optimal fittings, the tempest begin to reveal it's true self. 2000+ damage wreckers (even over 3000 for people with mad skills), the flaws in the tracking is starting to disappear as well as the "all damage types" ammo is really becoming a really useful tool. Though remember that the skills I mention is where the tempest is starting to become decent, it's when you reach stuff like BS lvl 5, large weapon spec 4 or 5, other gun skills at 5 (inclusive adv. weapon upgrades which will make you able to fit a full rack of 1400mm II's and Gyro II's) you'll become unbeatable :D
Ice Foxy	Posted - 2005.08.01 21:56:00 - [14] Originally by: Monkeyshead I have 1 mil in gunnery any advise would be greatful id advise training all your gunnary skills up for 2months then fitting skills. The Tempest is awesome for PvP however, with 3mil skils you arnt going to win any PvP fights. Better get a BC or something cheeper to loose.
Evod	Posted - 2005.08.02 03:35:00 - [15] So, I'm a Minmitar pilot working my way (slowly) toward BS. I can fly an AF, use t2 small projctiles. About a week out from my inty. Decent Cruiser skills decent fitting skills (lots were prereqs for stuff I wanted). At what point am I "capable" of using the Minnie BS in PvP. Please note, I'm not being sarcastic I would like to know if I am better just specializing in frigs then maybe cruisers. To be honest Battleships never really interested me too much but I feel I should be able to provide my corp with the firepower that a BS can provide.
Shin Ra	Posted - 2005.08.02 04:57:00 - [16] Fo a low skillpoint char such as yourself, try learning frig/ceptor pvp. Its require far less skillpoints, costs less and is more fun. ----------------------------------------- wts all new "burberry" warp core stab II's
Bobby Wilson	Posted - 2005.08.02 06:04:00 - [17] Originally by: Shin Ra Fo a low skillpoint char such as yourself, try learning frig/ceptor pvp. Its require far less skillpoints, costs less and is more fun. Ditto. Tempest for PvP, I'm not kidding here, at LEAST 5 mil skillpoints. BW Originally by: Pallas Athene I¦m using voice recognition software - where my fingers get stuck isn¦t your concern sweetheart
Felsin	Posted - 2005.08.02 06:08:00 - [18] Edited by: Felsin on 02/08/2005 06:08:54 Tempests are best left alone. They take atleast 15mill sp to fly well and even then a tech1 frigate can kill it. Not to mention they are slow as hell and horrible agility. Their guns have crappy range too. And who wants to use ammo? Yuck If I were you I would fly a typhoon as its much better in pvp and pve.
Sobeseki Pawi	Posted - 2005.08.02 06:18:00 - [19] Originally by: Felsin Edited by: Felsin on 02/08/2005 06:08:54 Tempests are best left alone. They take atleast 15mill sp to fly well and even then a tech1 frigate can kill it. Not to mention they are slow as hell and horrible agility. Their guns have crappy range too. And who wants to use ammo? Yuck If I were you I would fly a typhoon as its much better in pvp and pve. ~Sobe Captain Cutie, Razor's Kiss Combat Pilot and looking for a corp? Check AGSYN out here
Hound Archon	Posted - 2005.08.02 08:36:00 - [20] Edited by: Hound Archon on 02/08/2005 08:37:48 I have just recently came back to the game (left last November) I have about 3.8mil skill points I can fly the tempest and the mega but most my points are in the tempest. I didnÆt do a lot of pvp and always flew with a friend who had about the same number of skill points but I never really had a problem when it came to fighting. I canÆt really say exactly what my ship had as it was a while ago now and am at work. Anyway my build had things like Two torp launchers two autocannons (I forget if they were 800's or slightly less). 4 large nos. MWD Webber Large armour repairer (might have had two of these or/and a hardener) Med armour repairer t2 Maybe things have changed a lot since November but surely you donÆt need 15mil points to be able to fly a tempest. Superior numbers are just as effective as superior fire power
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2005.08.02 09:52:00 - [21] 3mil SP you should be in a cyclone w. 720MM OR 425mm learning how to use transversal to your advantage. No reason you should be in a BS at this point. I love tempets and I have flown them with low SP back in the day and now when I am finding it hard to find skills to further maximize its performance. Back in the old days it was pretty easy decision to go from a rupture to a phoon or pest but now there are better options : Wolf, Claw, Cyclone, Vagabond, Munnin. Fly one of those ships while your skills train. Don't bother with a Phoon because it takes atleast 12mil SP to fly well and the skills will be more spread out into other forms of drones, missiles, armor tanking, Energy Emmission, etc. Hope that helps. -------------------- The Nest
GoGo Yubari	Posted - 2005.08.02 10:28:00 - [22] Originally by: Hound Archon Edited by: Hound Archon on 02/08/2005 08:37:48 I have just recently came back to the game (left last November) I have about 3.8mil skill points I can fly the tempest and the mega but most my points are in the tempest. I didnÆt do a lot of pvp and always flew with a friend who had about the same number of skill points but I never really had a problem when it came to fighting. I canÆt really say exactly what my ship had as it was a while ago now and am at work. Anyway my build had things like Two torp launchers two autocannons (I forget if they were 800's or slightly less). 4 large nos. MWD Webber Large armour repairer (might have had two of these or/and a hardener) Med armour repairer t2 Maybe things have changed a lot since November but surely you donÆt need 15mil points to be able to fly a tempest. Superior numbers are just as effective as superior fire power That's not a bad setup per se, but not really playing to the Tempest's particular strengths, either. The Typhoon ("the lollerphoon") could do pretty much the same thing. But sure, it's a way to fly the Tempest with lower skill points.
Hound Archon	Posted - 2005.08.02 10:56:00 - [23] Thanks am glad you didnt hate it :) I thought about doing the same thing for the mega thats why I got enough skills to fly it but quickly decided the mega wasnt for me.
mimik	Posted - 2005.08.02 11:16:00 - [24] Originally by: Felsin Edited by: Felsin on 02/08/2005 06:08:54 Tempests are best left alone. They take atleast 15mill sp to fly well and even then a tech1 frigate can kill it. Not to mention they are slow as hell and horrible agility. Their guns have crappy range too. And who wants to use ammo? Yuck If I were you I would fly a typhoon as its much better in pvp and pve. a tech1 frig can kill a tempest if the pilot has 15mill sps - i'd like to see that. i suppose if the 15mill sps were in science, industry and learning then possibly and the pilot was afk at the time. where do u get the idea that a tempest is slow? minmatar BS have the highest base speed of any BS, machariel excepted. so in relation to all other BS it is actually quite speedy.
Vathar	Posted - 2005.08.02 11:25:00 - [25] Originally by: mimik Originally by: Felsin Edited by: Felsin on 02/08/2005 06:08:54 Tempests are best left alone. They take atleast 15mill sp to fly well and even then a tech1 frigate can kill it. Not to mention they are slow as hell and horrible agility. Their guns have crappy range too. And who wants to use ammo? Yuck If I were you I would fly a typhoon as its much better in pvp and pve. a tech1 frig can kill a tempest if the pilot has 15mill sps - i'd like to see that. i suppose if the 15mill sps were in science, industry and learning then possibly and the pilot was afk at the time. where do u get the idea that a tempest is slow? minmatar BS have the highest base speed of any BS, machariel excepted. so in relation to all other BS it is actually quite speedy. Do you know what "sarcasm" means? ____________ Space Shaman Don't take life seriously, you'll not survive it anyway (\_/) (O.o) (> <) yay, got my bunny too !!
perfection	Posted - 2005.08.02 11:51:00 - [26] As a Tempest driver I have found yes it is skill intensive .. but be patient and train the results are well worth it you can either tank or damage not both. I took out another tempest in 3 volleys. And using defenders in rocket launchers to take away the teeth of the raven they become easy meat too. When you get an average shot of 600 to 900 from each of the 6 1400II's it becomes worth it. Train for it but be patient.
darth solo	Posted - 2005.08.02 11:55:00 - [27] Tempest takes many skills to be good.... BUT its a game, fly what u want and dont be put off with ppl saying "omg, NEVER fly a ship unless u have X skillpoints". d solo.
mimik	Posted - 2005.08.02 12:03:00 - [28] Originally by: Vathar Originally by: mimik Originally by: Felsin Edited by: Felsin on 02/08/2005 06:08:54 Tempests are best left alone. They take atleast 15mill sp to fly well and even then a tech1 frigate can kill it. Not to mention they are slow as hell and horrible agility. Their guns have crappy range too. And who wants to use ammo? Yuck If I were you I would fly a typhoon as its much better in pvp and pve. a tech1 frig can kill a tempest if the pilot has 15mill sps - i'd like to see that. i suppose if the 15mill sps were in science, industry and learning then possibly and the pilot was afk at the time. where do u get the idea that a tempest is slow? minmatar BS have the highest base speed of any BS, machariel excepted. so in relation to all other BS it is actually quite speedy. Do you know what "sarcasm" means? oh sorry i must have misunderstood the factual inaccuraccies of his comments because i missed his avatar winking at me under the hood.
Sun Ra	Posted - 2005.08.02 12:15:00 - [29] Originally by: 0verkill Actually about a year and a half ago tempests were the flavor of the month. I was in m0o at the time and our fleets were 70% tempests, 30% scorp. Then came the tracking changes and the cap relay nerf and tempests were again at the bottom of the barrel. It is only recently since the insti damage melt them in one volly fleets have become populaar that tempests have again come to the top. Yup tempests were even better than then they are now ;D, granted there were no t2 1400s Also AC were much nicer too, i remember getting decent hits up to 30km with 800s and phased plasma We're coming for you
Nafri	Posted - 2005.08.02 12:42:00 - [30] I have fond memories of tempests killing my frigs from 4km instantly ^^ Your bla bla hit bla bla for bla bla damage. Wanna have some bubu now?
GoGo Yubari	Posted - 2005.08.02 15:16:00 - [31] Yea, I remember being a new player and running m0o blockades back then. You guys had a lot of Tempests and I grew to like the damage output of the 1400mm. It was back then I knew I'd want to fly the ship myself. Of course, things changed and I became a missile-***** until things changed again. Now, I got the Tempest skills pretty much maxed out and I'm liking it.
Cosmic Dragon	Posted - 2005.08.02 15:44:00 - [32] First off ill say fly what you want as long as you are having fun thats what counts. Now 3 mil sp is not enough to fly a cruiser well let alone a battleship. My bare minimum for flying a battleship will have to be 10 mil sp [Excluding learning skills and industry], thats for flying any races battleship to fly the mimitar one i dont really know ive only just started looking at the tempest myself so i dont know. But i hear that one needs a lot more sp than other classes so if anyone here can gine advice on rough sp ammounts before aproaching one of these let me know. Beauty Is In The Eye Of The Beer Holder!!!
Jet Collins	Posted - 2005.08.02 17:08:00 - [33] There have Post and more post on the # of Sp you should have before you get into a Tempest because of how skill intensive the ship is. This is all I have to say, yes you can fly the tempest with 3 mil skills but don't expect to be killing any other players in an other ships. My suggestion would be to use it only for missions and NPCing until you figure out what you can do in the ship with the # of skills you have, which probbaly isn't much. I have been flying the tempest for missions for sever months now and I just passed the 19mil Sp mark(yes my sig needs updating) And I probably could take on some players with it but don't cause I know there are skill areas that I should be alot higher in. Basically the tempest requires alot of skills in alot of areas. I could get into this but I won't because it differnet for what you plan to do with it and also everyone as there own ideas. Just go out there and do what you want and be prepaired to lose alot of isk :) Thats about it
Masu'di	Posted - 2005.08.02 17:21:00 - [34] Originally by: darth solo Tempest takes many skills to be good.... BUT its a game, fly what u want and dont be put off with ppl saying "omg, NEVER fly a ship unless u have X skillpoints". d solo. that's what i was thinking too when reading through the posts. i guess all the veterans hate to see new players stepping out of place. "those young pups not doing things by the book! honestly!" as darth says, it's a game and play it how you want - and take forum queens with a pinch of salt..
madaluap	Posted - 2005.08.02 19:05:00 - [35] Edited by: madaluap on 02/08/2005 19:05:52 Originally by: Cosmic Dragon First off ill say fly what you want as long as you are having fun thats what counts. Now 3 mil sp is not enough to fly a cruiser well let alone a battleship. My bare minimum for flying a battleship will have to be 10 mil sp [Excluding learning skills and industry], thats for flying any races battleship to fly the mimitar one i dont really know ive only just started looking at the tempest myself so i dont know. But i hear that one needs a lot more sp than other classes so if anyone here can gine advice on rough sp ammounts before aproaching one of these let me know. wow dude you are over the top...i started flying my first bs when i had 1.5 mil sp. i mined in my megathron in 0.7 yes i was a complete noob, but i mined long enough..about 1 month to get my second bs: a raven. than i started hunting ebil pirates in syndicate and ended up losing my uninsured raven. i had a great time! after that i started doing lvl 2 missions. i did that in a thorax fitted with 5 smartbombs...max volley npc kill ever...7X 2.5 k in 1 sb-volley. offcourse that was all 1.3 years ago, but still. yes the bs was sooo over the top for me, but i cant be arsed. but what you are saying is that with 3 mil sp you cant use a cruizer properly..never heard so much bull****. cruizer has more hp than frig. so the sooner you get in 1, the better. if you are talking about npc/mining. with 5 mil sp you can fly a bs well for normal stuff like lvl 3 missions. but at 1 mil sp you can fly a bs too, but only for mining in 0.5+ it shouldnt be such a big deal, minimum sp. but 1 BIG note is that you shouldnt pvp with such a low ammount of sp, you will die in a horific, but still funny way.
Hamatitio	Posted - 2005.08.02 19:51:00 - [36] If a player with 30 mil sps loses his ship to 2 3.8 mil sp characters, I will laugh at him. ------ Ham a Tee Tee Oh
Sobeseki Pawi	Posted - 2005.08.02 20:33:00 - [37] Originally by: Hamatitio If a player with 30 mil sps loses his ship to 2 3.8 mil sp characters, I will laugh at him. Why? sp doesnt mean jack in reference to the competence of the pilot. ~Sobe Captain Cutie, Razor's Kiss Combat Pilot and looking for a corp? Check AGSYN out here
Cosmic Dragon	Posted - 2005.08.02 21:22:00 - [38] Originally by: madaluap Edited by: madaluap on 02/08/2005 19:05:52 Originally by: Cosmic Dragon First off ill say fly what you want as long as you are having fun thats what counts. Now 3 mil sp is not enough to fly a cruiser well let alone a battleship. My bare minimum for flying a battleship will have to be 10 mil sp [Excluding learning skills and industry], thats for flying any races battleship to fly the mimitar one i dont really know ive only just started looking at the tempest myself so i dont know. But i hear that one needs a lot more sp than other classes so if anyone here can gine advice on rough sp ammounts before aproaching one of these let me know. wow dude you are over the top...i started flying my first bs when i had 1.5 mil sp. i mined in my megathron in 0.7 yes i was a complete noob, but i mined long enough..about 1 month to get my second bs: a raven. than i started hunting ebil pirates in syndicate and ended up losing my uninsured raven. i had a great time! after that i started doing lvl 2 missions. i did that in a thorax fitted with 5 smartbombs...max volley npc kill ever...7X 2.5 k in 1 sb-volley. offcourse that was all 1.3 years ago, but still. yes the bs was sooo over the top for me, but i cant be arsed. but what you are saying is that with 3 mil sp you cant use a cruizer properly..never heard so much bull****. cruizer has more hp than frig. so the sooner you get in 1, the better. if you are talking about npc/mining. with 5 mil sp you can fly a bs well for normal stuff like lvl 3 missions. but at 1 mil sp you can fly a bs too, but only for mining in 0.5+ it shouldnt be such a big deal, minimum sp. but 1 BIG note is that you shouldnt pvp with such a low ammount of sp, you will die in a horific, but still funny way. Good points ill just say i was refering to pvp no pve as pve is farly easy and predictable. Beauty Is In The Eye Of The Beer Holder!!!
Ras Blumin	Posted - 2005.08.03 20:46:00 - [39] Originally by: perfection As a Tempest driver I have found yes it is skill intensive .. but be patient and train the results are well worth it you can either tank or damage not both. I took out another tempest in 3 volleys. And using defenders in rocket launchers to take away the teeth of the raven they become easy meat too. When you get an average shot of 600 to 900 from each of the 6 1400II's it becomes worth it. Train for it but be patient. You can get an ok shield tank with 5 mids, and still fill the lows with gyro's. p - l - u - r
Warm0nger	Posted - 2005.08.03 21:30:00 - [40] Yea.. don't try to fly one with 3m skill points... You need about 4mil skill points in gunnery just to use large projectiles well. However, once u get the skill points, I think a tempest is a good damage dealer :) (/me remembers flying a Raven with 950k skill points and using heavy missiles for L3 missions cause I couldn't use torps at the time hehe) --------------------- Eve Spawn Grounds
Jalia Kovac	Posted - 2005.08.04 00:09:00 - [41] Three months into the game I was flying a Megathron with a medium blaster/siege setup in The Syndicate shooting at Domi/Mega spawns. The first day I got MWDs my corpmate and I went cavorting and bookmarking deep into 0.0 space for my first trip into out of the empires. Moral of the story? There are loads of fun things to do that might be a little risky or crazy. Take insurance and be prepared to lose your ship.
S'ne Aer	Posted - 2005.08.04 05:03:00 - [42] Ok, scenario: PvP Lone Tempest, extreme long range sniper, meets (or spots from afar, rather), Enemy lone Apocalypse, (extreme) long range sniper.. And begin firing at each other from all turrets. both captains have 10 mill+ relevant skills and are cool customers. Now I know my Minmatar ships fairly well, and own and fly a Tempest, but my Amarr ship knowledge is sadly lacking. I would say the Tempest 1200 or 1400 Howie damage would outdo the Apocalypse damage, but would wager that the Apoc could sustain more damage. Anyone see a probable outcome? Now no warping to recharge allowed, these two pilots are sworn enemies and lock to the death! S'ne
Phonix	Posted - 2005.08.04 08:34:00 - [43] Originally by: S'ne Aer Ok, scenario: PvP Lone Tempest, extreme long range sniper, meets (or spots from afar, rather), Enemy lone Apocalypse, (extreme) long range sniper.. And begin firing at each other from all turrets. both captains have 10 mill+ relevant skills and are cool customers. Now I know my Minmatar ships fairly well, and own and fly a Tempest, but my Amarr ship knowledge is sadly lacking. I would say the Tempest 1200 or 1400 Howie damage would outdo the Apocalypse damage, but would wager that the Apoc could sustain more damage. Anyone see a probable outcome? Now no warping to recharge allowed, these two pilots are sworn enemies and lock to the death! S'ne Depends on one's fittings 100% -------------- We are back.
Slaveabuser	Posted - 2005.08.04 12:35:00 - [44] Originally by: Monkeyshead Edited by: Monkeyshead on 01/08/2005 20:12:50 Hi all As a noob, I was wondering if the Tempest is any good for PVP? Could anyone advise me on how to set one up I only have 3 mil SP which I have 1 mil in gunnery any advise would be greatful Thanks in advance Monk... Hey there. Sounds like you are totally ready for a Tempest. I say go ahead and do some PVP mate! =1 Industry skills trained, for a total of 250 skillPoints=
Fester Addams	Posted - 2005.08.04 13:24:00 - [45] The Tempest lives or dies with its skills and equipment. At low skills and standard EQ its a decent ship for PvE, with some skill you can use it to solo lev 4 missions, do many complexes and so on but compared to the other BS's with the same amounts of skill and same price tag on the modules it dosnt performe very well. The ship however goes through a transformation when you stick in the proper (and sadly expensive) modules and back it upp with very high skills. Sadly this will meen people are soon going to scream for a nerf as the dedicated Tempest pilots out there are getting more numerous. The fact that the tempest pilot will have a real expensive setup and miliopns of SP's behind his belt wont make a difference to people who suddenly find their cheaply fit BS backed upp with fair skills simply cant contend with the Tempest and that is why I hope the developers dont listen to the comunity :) ------------ 20. Is it true all pvpers have carebear alts? Yes, of course. I have so much fun looking up who's alt is who's kieron Community Manager, EVE Online
samuel wilson	Posted - 2005.08.04 22:26:00 - [46] i remember just b4 nwo a corp pvp contest ... i wans in my trust tempest with 3 mill sp .... i was placed against a 10 mill sp raven pilot we warped to the a point 50k from each other ... perfect for PP :) the first salvo from my 1400's removed 5k shields from the reven ... second was 50% armor ... 3rd was into structer.....out of the 2 salvo's of torps fired at me 2 hit :)....my setup at the time was 6x 1400 scout 2x rocket with defenders 6 damage mod 1x rcu 3x tracking mod 2x sensor booster.....i just loved the 2k wrecking i got from it ...... and that setup was good for some lvl 4 agent missions ... the 1 time i tried it in pvp was against another tempest @120k+... my lack of sp showed a little there
Romano Solaris	Posted - 2005.08.04 23:14:00 - [47] Originally by: Hamatitio If a player with 30 mil sps loses his ship to 2 3.8 mil sp characters, I will laugh at him. 30m sp in a Dominix 2x 3.8m SP in Gankageddons wonder who will win that fight.....
Ohne	Posted - 2005.08.05 00:49:00 - [48] 8 mills in gunnery and tempest pwns everything :) with the advanced weap upgrades you can fit 6x 1400s t2 and 6x Gyros. With aproxx 19 dmg mod and 8 sec rof... the DoT will be insane :)
Cummilla	Posted - 2005.08.05 00:59:00 - [49] My little minnie alt has about 3.5 mil sp. He's been highly focused to max gunnery skills and has almost started his medium proj specs. Another few weeks he'll be able to use Large T2 weps. All his ancillary gunnery skills are at 4 or better. So I'm not sure where this perception that a tempest pilot must have oogles of sp comes from. My guy's been pirating since he had 2.5 mil sp and I have the negative 1.5 sec rating to show. Not a ton of pirating mind you in comparison to some, but hell not bad. And he's never lost a ship.
VossKarr	Posted - 2005.08.05 01:33:00 - [50] Originally by: Ohne 8 mills in gunnery and tempest pwns everything :) with the advanced weap upgrades you can fit 6x 1400s t2 and 6x Gyros. With aproxx 19 dmg mod and 8 sec rof... the DoT will be insane :) or 7x Gyros on a Machariel...
P'ercev'hal	Posted - 2005.08.05 04:17:00 - [51] Edited by: P''ercev''hal on 05/08/2005 04:18:45 The Tempest is quite a fun ship to fly once you get used to it. Seems as how I never seem to fly alone, I go all gank. *Long Range* Highs: 6x 1400 (T2 if at all possible) 2x Assault (Defender/Light missiles) just incase. Mediums: 2x Sensor Booster II, 3x Tracking Computer II Lows: 5x Gyrostabilizer II, 1x RCU *Short Range* Replace the medium slots with this: 1x Target Painter II, 1x Sensor Booster II, 3x Tracking Computer II Then load up some short range ammo, EMP or Phased Plasma
Fred0	Posted - 2005.08.05 09:08:00 - [52] Originally by: Ohne 8 mills in gunnery and tempest pwns everything :) That's a common misconception. Alot in gunnery brings it up to par. But definitely not above. It has volley damage, the other ships have dot on it.
Soros	Posted - 2005.08.05 09:15:00 - [53] A 110k snipeing battle? the apoc warps out, and back within 30k of you, even with tach's his guns will track better at close range so, you die, if u have a frig scrambling, he will probally die :D -= Soros =- BoB
NateX	Posted - 2005.08.05 10:10:00 - [54] Originally by: mimik Originally by: Felsin Edited by: Felsin on 02/08/2005 06:08:54 Tempests are best left alone. They take atleast 15mill sp to fly well and even then a tech1 frigate can kill it. Not to mention they are slow as hell and horrible agility. Their guns have crappy range too. And who wants to use ammo? Yuck If I were you I would fly a typhoon as its much better in pvp and pve. a tech1 frig can kill a tempest if the pilot has 15mill sps - i'd like to see that. i suppose if the 15mill sps were in science, industry and learning then possibly and the pilot was afk at the time. where do u get the idea that a tempest is slow? minmatar BS have the highest base speed of any BS, machariel excepted. so in relation to all other BS it is actually quite speedy. If he can beat the shield recharging NateX
munchy	Posted - 2005.08.05 10:38:00 - [55] you guys are all nuts, you can fly a bs with 3m sp, i have 12m sp, i dont have bs 5, large turret 5 or anything like that, and im spread across 2 races, but i would say im pretty competent in an apoc or a megathron. skills dont mean as much as people make out, its the setups that really matter, focus on your fitting skills, and get gunnery to around 4, and you should be a great battleship pilot. skills arent everything ---
Randuin MaraL	Posted - 2005.08.05 11:35:00 - [56] Originally by: darth solo Tempest takes many skills to be good.... BUT its a game, fly what u want and dont be put off with ppl saying "omg, NEVER fly a ship unless u have X skillpoints". d solo. I'll drink to that. ____________________________________________________ Never be in the company of anyone with whom you would not want to die. MEDUSA veteran, Khumaak Award winner
bigsteve	Posted - 2005.08.05 12:33:00 - [57] Originally by: Felsin Edited by: Felsin on 02/08/2005 06:08:54 Tempests are best left alone. They take atleast 15mill sp to fly well and even then a tech1 frigate can kill it. Not to mention they are slow as hell and horrible agility. Their guns have crappy range too. And who wants to use ammo? Yuck If I were you I would fly a typhoon as its much better in pvp and pve. WRONG, Some for the Matari ships are fasts and most agile out of all Ships. Now I have been in the game for over 18 months I started out as an industurialist with a little missioning (180K LP with SPacelane patrol) when bored, for the first 10 months of that time all i trained was skills needed to mine & build stuff, THEN when i did not need any more skill in those fields, I started my Gunnery and Ship skills, and my GOD it is SO much more exciting that sitting in a belt mining. The Tempest is the Best damn PvP Battleship in the game, i would say, if the circumstances are right you can hit do well over 2500 damage per shot. My current Fleet battle set-up is: 6 x 1400mmII, 2 x Assualt launchers 2 x Sensor Booster II's, 3 x Tracking Comp II's 4 x Gyro II's, 1 x Tranking Enh II's, 1 x RCU II. I sone time change to Target Painter II's for some variaty. Now with all those Tech II modules you would expect it to be expensive to out fit it, will its not. Because I have the Skills to fit Tech II Modules I dont have to fit the Extremely overprice Named ones that are for sale, I think I can kit out my Tempest for under 50mill with Tech II, but with named stuff it could be 4 times that may be more. Also just to let you know i have: 6,712,145 SP's in Gunnery, and i still have 3 more battleship related skills to get to level V, Large Art, Surg Strike & Traj Anal 2,106,268 in SSC, with Matari BS V still to do.
Slaveabuser	Posted - 2005.08.05 16:22:00 - [58] Originally by: munchy you guys are all nuts, you can fly a bs with 3m sp Yes, and you will die quickly. Quote: i have 12m sp, Good for you. =1 Industry skills trained, for a total of 250 skillPoints=
munchy	Posted - 2005.08.06 00:09:00 - [59] what was the point of that post? just to say "no" ? why? eplain why give an argument if you're gonna disagree. and dude, what was the point in singleing out my SP, its not like i was boasting, i was pointint out that i didnt have loads of skill points but i can fly multiple races of bs's fine ---
Slaveabuser	Posted - 2005.08.06 11:09:00 - [60] Originally by: munchy what was the point of that post? just to say "no" ? why? eplain why give an argument if you're gonna disagree. A character with 3 million skillpoints and flies lets say a raven probably only have bs level 2 or something. His missile skills would be low aswell as his engineering and electronic skills. Something that will result in getting owned by a player with propper engineering/gunnery skills. Are you really that thick that I need to explain this to you? =1 Industry skills trained, for a total of 250 skillPoints=
darth solo	Posted - 2005.08.06 11:21:00 - [61] Originally by: Hamatitio If a player with 30 mil sps loses his ship to 2 3.8 mil sp characters, I will laugh at him. i sometimes fly a tempest with no defence and only offence... if 2 IBIS's could beat my shield recharge and kill my drones id die... stupidist thing iv ever seen said on these forums. d solo.
Bruchpilot	Posted - 2005.08.06 11:56:00 - [62] I killed a Megathron in a Harpy. Tought luck, he had Ogres and Catalysm CMs on his ship. Saying a 3 mil Char can't kill a 30 mil one is bull****. It depends on the situation but it is possible. One of my friends had only 3 mil sp back in pre casto days. He put every single sp in his Domi and killed Tempests in 1on1s (back when Tempest were on top of the food chain).
Slaveabuser	Posted - 2005.08.06 22:07:00 - [63] Yes, and frigates can kill battleships. It all depends on the situasion, but thats not really the issue here is it? =1 Industry skills trained, for a total of 250 skillPoints=
Darlan Flame	Posted - 2005.08.06 22:15:00 - [64] Originally by: Slaveabuser Yes, and frigates can kill battleships. It all depends on the situasion, but thats not really the issue here is it? It is when you're sitting there saying that a 3 million sp character will 100% die to a 30m sp character no matter what two posts back. Then someone brings up a situation wherin the 3 million sp character wins, but now it all depends just depends? Guess what? In every single battle you ever fight, it's just going to depend on the situation. 3 million sp characters can kill a 30 million sp character. Its possible. Stop saying it isn't, because it happens. It all depends on the situation, and there are many situations where your enemies' set up is just plain better than yours, and he's in just the right location for him and wrong for you. And then you'll be owned, hard, and its not going to matter if you have level 6 in UBERPWNAGEKICKASSOLDSKOOLPILOTING with 45 trillion points in gunnery. People who put too much leway into skill points have no idea how the game works.
jofgav	Posted - 2005.08.10 15:57:00 - [65] Am I reading this thread correctly? Anyone who flys a Tempest and sticks in at school, reading all their skill books until they reach "5 stars" will become some kind of unstoppable force? I love Minmatar ships, no questioning that, so I'm biased in my opinions at times. However, you'd assume that any other races' battleship would also benefit if their pilots also trained to equally high levels - would you not? My question being: you may need to train longer to see real benefits in a Tempest but won't someone else see these same benefits if they train just as long?
Bobby Wilson	Posted - 2005.08.10 17:01:00 - [66] Originally by: jofgav Am I reading this thread correctly? Anyone who flys a Tempest and sticks in at school, reading all their skill books until they reach "5 stars" will become some kind of unstoppable force? I love Minmatar ships, no questioning that, so I'm biased in my opinions at times. However, you'd assume that any other races' battleship would also benefit if their pilots also trained to equally high levels - would you not? My question being: you may need to train longer to see real benefits in a Tempest but won't someone else see these same benefits if they train just as long? I was going to do a really long answer, but I'll keep it short. Tempest is more skill intensive mostly (but not entirely) because it is harder to fit. My long range tempest loadout absolutely requires an RCU II, or 2 normal RCUs which would nerf my loadout. My fleet long range tempest loadout requires 2 RCU IIs, although I have bit of grid left over there. Only when I fit autocannons can I make do without an RCU. Compare this to a Megathron, which has enough grid for 7X425s. Compare to an Apoc, which can match 6X 1400s DoT with I think 5 Tachs, also easy to fit. And yes, I can fly all these ships, and yes I do have all fitting skills to 5. Now fitting aside, Tempest is also highly dependant on its BS skill bonuses to match DoT of other battleships. The Megathron is helped by this too, but not as markedly, while the Apoc's bonuses are all cap-related, and while very helpful are far from crucial. So fitting is harder on the Tempest, requiring Eng5, Elec 5, WU5 and pretty much energy upgrades 5 too. Whereas the Apoc and Mega can get by with 4 in all those, and less in energy upgrades. Nobody is saying the Tempest is a bad ship (well a few ppl are, but that's just stupid). It's a great ship, but you don't get the full experience without lvl 5 in quite a few skills. Thus a low skillpoint character prolly won't get a ton out of it. BW Originally by: Nervar We allready play EvE wich by definition allready makes us the most patient people on the planet.

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