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Dura'Lorth
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Posted - 2005.08.02 05:43:00 -
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compare the raptor to a merlin, and when compared a merlin looks like a much better choice. it has almost the exact same slot lay out and 5 more grid. the raptor only has 30 more sheild and more speed. So i suggest drop a missle slot on the raptor and make it a rail-boat. all the other races have a ceptor that can use 3 turrets so let the raptor be our little rail boat, do not give it a grid boost becasue it should have to fit a mapc 3x125mm rails = 21 out of 30 grid, and change its 5% kinetic missle damage per level to 5% bonous to hybrid optimal range per level
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.08.02 06:16:00 -
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I DO NOT SUCK. 
The ship does though. I just fit mine as a close range tackler as I can't get anything else on it properly (like rails and lights).
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.08.02 06:42:00 -
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Its a t2 shuttle
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ELECTR0FREAK
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Posted - 2005.08.02 07:15:00 -
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Problem is it does everything good, but nothing great.
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Dura'Lorth
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Posted - 2005.08.02 08:05:00 -
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 Originally by: Deja Thoris
Its a t2 shuttle
i guess its going to be a t2 shuttle for a while, but i think 3 rails on a raptor would be a welcome change to the ship, it also makes sense as caldari ships are "suspose" to be railplatforms
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TuRtLe HeAd
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Posted - 2005.08.02 08:11:00 -
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Its quite alot faster than the merlin. 200m/s faster
When its got an MWD on it its probably Twice or 3 times as fast as a merlin with an MWD.
Its locking times are probably A hell of a lot faster than a merlin. Its Signature radius is alot smaller than a merlin.
it warps at nearly 14.au/s instead of 6
Its got more low slots than a merlin. Its a Teir 1 interceptor basically. Its not meant to be amazing but it fulfuls its role very well.
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Hamatitio
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Posted - 2005.08.02 08:38:00 -
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Oh, the raptor is useless. And the ship sucks too 
A 3 turret 1 missile layout would be nice, make it a "long range" interceptor, like the harpy.
I used them as a 'cheap' tackler way back in the day, when they were half as much as a crow.
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Thundercrash
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Posted - 2005.08.02 08:59:00 -
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Theres nothing wrong with the raptor, fought a few in my crusader beat some, lost to some i guess you just need to find the right setup
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Balistic Void
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Posted - 2005.08.02 09:11:00 -
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Yep I've beaten Crows, Taranii and Claws with my Raptor. It's biggest advantage is that noone rates it as a threat lol :)
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.08.02 13:09:00 -
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Raptors are some of the best tacklers in the game when fitted with 2x 7.5 km scramblers. They are FAST, nimble and can hold thier own in a fight with any other Inty with the right pilot. Put a pair of T2 150s on it, load up the Bloodclaws and you'll be fine.
I also always keep a load of Defenders with me as well for Crow pilots who think they can just spam me to death. 
I will admit tho - 3 guns would make the Raptor just sick in my book. I love the thing. Anyone got a BPO they want to sell?
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Mallik Hendrake
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Posted - 2005.08.02 13:31:00 -
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Tried it with gatling rails? Might be cool =)
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2005.08.02 14:51:00 -
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I have no problems with my Raptor.
Most people don't know what the hell they are doing when they get in a Ceptor. They try to set it up as if it were an AF, they forget its main purpose (TO TACKLE, DAMNIT!) then they die to an actual AF and wonder why. Comparing a Raptor to a Merlin shows incredible ignorance. Is a Merlin a good tackler? No? Then how could it be 'an alternative' to a Raptor? Oh, because you have no clue what you're doing. Got it.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.08.02 14:54:00 -
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I wish that every time someone posted a question about a ship that is horribly, shockingly underpowered, people wouldn't start coming out of the woodwork to declare how they singlehandedly took out an enemy fleet with their Raptor (equipped with one blaster and nosfers, of course). This sort of worthless self-congratulation actually damages the possibility of something being done about the ship.
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Vee Bot
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Posted - 2005.08.02 15:04:00 -
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theres not that much wrong with the raptor, it is in the shadow of the crow but there has to be a better/worse out of the two. IMO its fine as-is, the raptor is a nice cheap alternative to the crow, if that alone isnt enough, dont fly it.
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2005.08.02 15:06:00 -
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I usually giggle with glee whenever I find Raptors or Ares (Maledictions are different because three homogenous weapon systems work better than two pairs of different weapon systems). They are the only interceptors I am dead certain of: whatever the setup my own ship (ANY ship I fly) will grind them to dust before 50% armour is expended (and then I do seldom have plates and choose repairers instead).
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David Goodwill
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Posted - 2005.08.02 15:11:00 -
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Edited by: David Goodwill on 02/08/2005 15:11:27
Raptors aee ok, I took out an Omen once with neut blasters and rockets. Optimal range bonus means you can stay outside of smartie range too which is about the best you coudl hope for I guess. 3 rail slots would rock though, and bring this ship more in line with the others.
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.08.02 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
I wish that every time someone posted a question about a ship that is horribly, shockingly underpowered, people wouldn't start coming out of the woodwork to declare how they singlehandedly took out an enemy fleet with their Raptor (equipped with one blaster and nosfers, of course). This sort of worthless self-congratulation actually damages the possibility of something being done about the ship.
/signed. Its pretty ridiculous that people are trying to argue that the raptor and ares are anything but useless. A good raptor pilot vs a good pilot of any other inty means the raptor pilot loses, likewise with the ares. Depending on setups of course, but even then not really, I mean ares/raptor will lose at close range to any close range inty and at long range to any long range inty.
Originally by: Sochin
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.08.02 15:12:00 -
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Edited by: Sorja on 02/08/2005 15:12:53
Raptor and Ares: worst interceptors.
And before posting setups, make sure they fit, I sometimes wonder if some even fly the ships they are talking about 
EDIT: the Merlin has a base +5 powergrid than the Raptor. Wonder who designed that ship, really
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.08.02 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Sorja
Edited by: Sorja on 02/08/2005 15:12:53
Raptor and Ares: worst interceptors.
And before posting setups, make sure they fit, I sometimes wonder if some even fly the ships they are talking about
EDIT: the Merlin has a base +5 powergrid than the Raptor. Wonder who designed that ship, really
I'm actually fairly confident I could kill a raptor in a merlin.
Originally by: Sochin
CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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Ebedar
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Posted - 2005.08.02 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: DrunkenOne
I'm actually fairly confident I could kill a raptor in a merlin.
Heh I engaged a Merlin in an Ares once and had to MWD out of range as he got me into structure (I think I had only just started to hit his armour).
Funny thing was that he either switched off his own MWD or tried to follow me, which lead to several of the missiles that I still had in the air hitting him and popping him once I was about 80km away 
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2005.08.02 15:36:00 -
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good raptor pilot will pwn crows...
especially because there is zilion of stupid crow pilots.
And i've seen raptor for 2mil somewhere. That makes it cheaper than kestrels in curse
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2005.08.02 15:41:00 -
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There actually *is* one good thing about the Ares: if you actually manage to kill another interceptor with it, you get bragging rights. Anyone can do it in a Taranis, but in the pink paperweight it's a different ballgame
Sigh.
Give it a third medslot. Give it more grid. Give it a useful bonus. Or something.
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.08.02 15:43:00 -
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Edited by: DrunkenOne on 02/08/2005 15:44:48
Originally by: LUKEC
good raptor pilot will pwn crows...
especially because there is zilion of stupid crow pilots.
And i've seen raptor for 2mil somewhere. That makes it cheaper than kestrels in curse
Ffs an ibis could kill an unarmed crow but does that mean ibis > crow? Stop using retarded examples, "oh a good raptor pilot will own stupid crows."
Anyways, switch 1 launcher to 1 turret for the raptor, and give it 5% to optimal and 5% to damage bonuses, make it a long range railboat. And then give the ares a 3rd mid, and drop a high so its 3/3/4, making it a better tackler than a taranis.
Originally by: Sochin
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Bobby Wilson
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Posted - 2005.08.02 15:50:00 -
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Yes, yes. If you get lucky, or are a very skilled pilot, you can do a lot of damage in a Raptor. Or an Ares.
But that does not in any way overcome the fact that both ships are grossly inferior to their twin brothers/sisters, and it's only the skill or luck of an Ares or Raptor pilot that brings them out on top.
Split bonuses are stupid. Give the things a full rack of one kind of damage so that all related bonuses help most/all weapons fitted.
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2005.08.02 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: DrunkenOne
I'm actually fairly confident I could kill a raptor in a merlin.
Doubt it, seriously. The key to the Raptor is not to get webbed (i.e. staying more than 10km away). I use a single 20km disruptor so maybe if you're Merlin has a WCS you'd get away, but that's hardly "killing." Possibly a shield tanked Merlin would have a chance but if you're not dying then I'm just going to MWD away from your slow Merlin. With my agility and mass, you'd never get closer than 18km from me.
But it doesn't matter, the Raptor isn't a killer, it's a tackler. If you don't believe me that's your problem.
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.08.02 16:12:00 -
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If the Raptor is a tackler, give it tackling bonuses !
So many are talking about interceptors like of duel toys, what about we look at what the ship is designed for?
I'd gladly lose 2 high slots for more built-in tackling power.
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slapp
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Posted - 2005.08.02 16:33:00 -
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my corpmate seems to enjoy raptors pretty much. manual flybys combined with dual web 4tw
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2005.08.02 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Sorja
If the Raptor is a tackler, give it tackling bonuses !
Are you having problems tackling in a Raptor with the current bonuses?
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Bobby Wilson
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Posted - 2005.08.02 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Sorja
If the Raptor is a tackler, give it tackling bonuses !
So many are talking about interceptors like of duel toys, what about we look at what the ship is designed for?
I'd gladly lose 2 high slots for more built-in tackling power.
The Stiletto has a very significant bonus to tackling in it's 4th midslot. But nobody much flies it either, as it tends to lose if it runs into a damage intie.
If we want them focussed on tackling, CCP will first have to nerf the incredible damage output of the taranis and claw (I can't speak for the malediction as I can't fly it, or the crow since I haven't used it since the missile nerf). THEN add bonuses to tackle.
BW
Originally by: Pallas Athene
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2005.08.02 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Bobby Wilson
If we want them focussed on tackling, CCP will first have to nerf the incredible damage output of the taranis and claw (I can't speak for the malediction as I can't fly it, or the crow since I haven't used it since the missile nerf). THEN add bonuses to tackle.
Not the Malediction. Malediction has really good damage but the Crusader is the killer model. Every race of inties has a killer and a tackler. Why, if Interceptor are meant for tackling, did CCP make a killer version for every race? Appeasement. They were the first tech 2 ships. If it had just been the Malediction, Raptor, Ares and Stilleto there would have been more whining than there already is. The Crow, Taranis, Claw and Crusader are the sledgehammers that CCP gave all the stupid people to make them happy. But I'm happy with my scalpel. If you don't like the Raptor then fly a rail Taranis but leave my ship alone.
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