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Dura'Lorth
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Posted - 2005.08.02 05:43:00 -
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compare the raptor to a merlin, and when compared a merlin looks like a much better choice. it has almost the exact same slot lay out and 5 more grid. the raptor only has 30 more sheild and more speed. So i suggest drop a missle slot on the raptor and make it a rail-boat. all the other races have a ceptor that can use 3 turrets so let the raptor be our little rail boat, do not give it a grid boost becasue it should have to fit a mapc 3x125mm rails = 21 out of 30 grid, and change its 5% kinetic missle damage per level to 5% bonous to hybrid optimal range per level
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.08.02 06:16:00 -
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I DO NOT SUCK. 
The ship does though. I just fit mine as a close range tackler as I can't get anything else on it properly (like rails and lights).
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.08.02 06:42:00 -
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Its a t2 shuttle
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ELECTR0FREAK
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Posted - 2005.08.02 07:15:00 -
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Problem is it does everything good, but nothing great.
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Dura'Lorth
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Posted - 2005.08.02 08:05:00 -
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 Originally by: Deja Thoris
Its a t2 shuttle
i guess its going to be a t2 shuttle for a while, but i think 3 rails on a raptor would be a welcome change to the ship, it also makes sense as caldari ships are "suspose" to be railplatforms
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TuRtLe HeAd
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Posted - 2005.08.02 08:11:00 -
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Its quite alot faster than the merlin. 200m/s faster
When its got an MWD on it its probably Twice or 3 times as fast as a merlin with an MWD.
Its locking times are probably A hell of a lot faster than a merlin. Its Signature radius is alot smaller than a merlin.
it warps at nearly 14.au/s instead of 6
Its got more low slots than a merlin. Its a Teir 1 interceptor basically. Its not meant to be amazing but it fulfuls its role very well.
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Hamatitio
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Posted - 2005.08.02 08:38:00 -
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Oh, the raptor is useless. And the ship sucks too 
A 3 turret 1 missile layout would be nice, make it a "long range" interceptor, like the harpy.
I used them as a 'cheap' tackler way back in the day, when they were half as much as a crow.
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Thundercrash
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Posted - 2005.08.02 08:59:00 -
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Theres nothing wrong with the raptor, fought a few in my crusader beat some, lost to some i guess you just need to find the right setup
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Balistic Void
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Posted - 2005.08.02 09:11:00 -
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Yep I've beaten Crows, Taranii and Claws with my Raptor. It's biggest advantage is that noone rates it as a threat lol :)
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.08.02 13:09:00 -
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Raptors are some of the best tacklers in the game when fitted with 2x 7.5 km scramblers. They are FAST, nimble and can hold thier own in a fight with any other Inty with the right pilot. Put a pair of T2 150s on it, load up the Bloodclaws and you'll be fine.
I also always keep a load of Defenders with me as well for Crow pilots who think they can just spam me to death. 
I will admit tho - 3 guns would make the Raptor just sick in my book. I love the thing. Anyone got a BPO they want to sell?
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Mallik Hendrake
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Posted - 2005.08.02 13:31:00 -
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Tried it with gatling rails? Might be cool =)
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2005.08.02 14:51:00 -
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I have no problems with my Raptor.
Most people don't know what the hell they are doing when they get in a Ceptor. They try to set it up as if it were an AF, they forget its main purpose (TO TACKLE, DAMNIT!) then they die to an actual AF and wonder why. Comparing a Raptor to a Merlin shows incredible ignorance. Is a Merlin a good tackler? No? Then how could it be 'an alternative' to a Raptor? Oh, because you have no clue what you're doing. Got it.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.08.02 14:54:00 -
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I wish that every time someone posted a question about a ship that is horribly, shockingly underpowered, people wouldn't start coming out of the woodwork to declare how they singlehandedly took out an enemy fleet with their Raptor (equipped with one blaster and nosfers, of course). This sort of worthless self-congratulation actually damages the possibility of something being done about the ship.
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Vee Bot
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Posted - 2005.08.02 15:04:00 -
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theres not that much wrong with the raptor, it is in the shadow of the crow but there has to be a better/worse out of the two. IMO its fine as-is, the raptor is a nice cheap alternative to the crow, if that alone isnt enough, dont fly it.
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2005.08.02 15:06:00 -
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I usually giggle with glee whenever I find Raptors or Ares (Maledictions are different because three homogenous weapon systems work better than two pairs of different weapon systems). They are the only interceptors I am dead certain of: whatever the setup my own ship (ANY ship I fly) will grind them to dust before 50% armour is expended (and then I do seldom have plates and choose repairers instead).
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David Goodwill
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Posted - 2005.08.02 15:11:00 -
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Edited by: David Goodwill on 02/08/2005 15:11:27
Raptors aee ok, I took out an Omen once with neut blasters and rockets. Optimal range bonus means you can stay outside of smartie range too which is about the best you coudl hope for I guess. 3 rail slots would rock though, and bring this ship more in line with the others.
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.08.02 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
I wish that every time someone posted a question about a ship that is horribly, shockingly underpowered, people wouldn't start coming out of the woodwork to declare how they singlehandedly took out an enemy fleet with their Raptor (equipped with one blaster and nosfers, of course). This sort of worthless self-congratulation actually damages the possibility of something being done about the ship.
/signed. Its pretty ridiculous that people are trying to argue that the raptor and ares are anything but useless. A good raptor pilot vs a good pilot of any other inty means the raptor pilot loses, likewise with the ares. Depending on setups of course, but even then not really, I mean ares/raptor will lose at close range to any close range inty and at long range to any long range inty.
Originally by: Sochin
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.08.02 15:12:00 -
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Edited by: Sorja on 02/08/2005 15:12:53
Raptor and Ares: worst interceptors.
And before posting setups, make sure they fit, I sometimes wonder if some even fly the ships they are talking about 
EDIT: the Merlin has a base +5 powergrid than the Raptor. Wonder who designed that ship, really
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.08.02 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Sorja
Edited by: Sorja on 02/08/2005 15:12:53
Raptor and Ares: worst interceptors.
And before posting setups, make sure they fit, I sometimes wonder if some even fly the ships they are talking about
EDIT: the Merlin has a base +5 powergrid than the Raptor. Wonder who designed that ship, really
I'm actually fairly confident I could kill a raptor in a merlin.
Originally by: Sochin
CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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Ebedar
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Posted - 2005.08.02 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: DrunkenOne
I'm actually fairly confident I could kill a raptor in a merlin.
Heh I engaged a Merlin in an Ares once and had to MWD out of range as he got me into structure (I think I had only just started to hit his armour).
Funny thing was that he either switched off his own MWD or tried to follow me, which lead to several of the missiles that I still had in the air hitting him and popping him once I was about 80km away 
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2005.08.02 15:36:00 -
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good raptor pilot will pwn crows...
especially because there is zilion of stupid crow pilots.
And i've seen raptor for 2mil somewhere. That makes it cheaper than kestrels in curse
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2005.08.02 15:41:00 -
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There actually *is* one good thing about the Ares: if you actually manage to kill another interceptor with it, you get bragging rights. Anyone can do it in a Taranis, but in the pink paperweight it's a different ballgame
Sigh.
Give it a third medslot. Give it more grid. Give it a useful bonus. Or something.
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.08.02 15:43:00 -
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Edited by: DrunkenOne on 02/08/2005 15:44:48
Originally by: LUKEC
good raptor pilot will pwn crows...
especially because there is zilion of stupid crow pilots.
And i've seen raptor for 2mil somewhere. That makes it cheaper than kestrels in curse
Ffs an ibis could kill an unarmed crow but does that mean ibis > crow? Stop using retarded examples, "oh a good raptor pilot will own stupid crows."
Anyways, switch 1 launcher to 1 turret for the raptor, and give it 5% to optimal and 5% to damage bonuses, make it a long range railboat. And then give the ares a 3rd mid, and drop a high so its 3/3/4, making it a better tackler than a taranis.
Originally by: Sochin
CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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Bobby Wilson
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Posted - 2005.08.02 15:50:00 -
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Yes, yes. If you get lucky, or are a very skilled pilot, you can do a lot of damage in a Raptor. Or an Ares.
But that does not in any way overcome the fact that both ships are grossly inferior to their twin brothers/sisters, and it's only the skill or luck of an Ares or Raptor pilot that brings them out on top.
Split bonuses are stupid. Give the things a full rack of one kind of damage so that all related bonuses help most/all weapons fitted.
BW
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2005.08.02 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: DrunkenOne
I'm actually fairly confident I could kill a raptor in a merlin.
Doubt it, seriously. The key to the Raptor is not to get webbed (i.e. staying more than 10km away). I use a single 20km disruptor so maybe if you're Merlin has a WCS you'd get away, but that's hardly "killing." Possibly a shield tanked Merlin would have a chance but if you're not dying then I'm just going to MWD away from your slow Merlin. With my agility and mass, you'd never get closer than 18km from me.
But it doesn't matter, the Raptor isn't a killer, it's a tackler. If you don't believe me that's your problem.
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.08.02 16:12:00 -
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If the Raptor is a tackler, give it tackling bonuses !
So many are talking about interceptors like of duel toys, what about we look at what the ship is designed for?
I'd gladly lose 2 high slots for more built-in tackling power.
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slapp
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Posted - 2005.08.02 16:33:00 -
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my corpmate seems to enjoy raptors pretty much. manual flybys combined with dual web 4tw
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2005.08.02 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Sorja
If the Raptor is a tackler, give it tackling bonuses !
Are you having problems tackling in a Raptor with the current bonuses?
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Bobby Wilson
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Posted - 2005.08.02 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Sorja
If the Raptor is a tackler, give it tackling bonuses !
So many are talking about interceptors like of duel toys, what about we look at what the ship is designed for?
I'd gladly lose 2 high slots for more built-in tackling power.
The Stiletto has a very significant bonus to tackling in it's 4th midslot. But nobody much flies it either, as it tends to lose if it runs into a damage intie.
If we want them focussed on tackling, CCP will first have to nerf the incredible damage output of the taranis and claw (I can't speak for the malediction as I can't fly it, or the crow since I haven't used it since the missile nerf). THEN add bonuses to tackle.
BW
Originally by: Pallas Athene
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2005.08.02 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Bobby Wilson
If we want them focussed on tackling, CCP will first have to nerf the incredible damage output of the taranis and claw (I can't speak for the malediction as I can't fly it, or the crow since I haven't used it since the missile nerf). THEN add bonuses to tackle.
Not the Malediction. Malediction has really good damage but the Crusader is the killer model. Every race of inties has a killer and a tackler. Why, if Interceptor are meant for tackling, did CCP make a killer version for every race? Appeasement. They were the first tech 2 ships. If it had just been the Malediction, Raptor, Ares and Stilleto there would have been more whining than there already is. The Crow, Taranis, Claw and Crusader are the sledgehammers that CCP gave all the stupid people to make them happy. But I'm happy with my scalpel. If you don't like the Raptor then fly a rail Taranis but leave my ship alone.
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madaluap
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Posted - 2005.08.02 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Hamatitio
Oh, the raptor is useless. And the ship sucks too
A 3 turret 1 missile layout would be nice, make it a "long range" interceptor, like the harpy.
I used them as a 'cheap' tackler way back in the day, when they were half as much as a crow.
they day that happens ill have 5 rails on my taranis and be doing 5 km/s 
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kessah
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Posted - 2005.08.02 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: DrunkenOne
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
I wish that every time someone posted a question about a ship that is horribly, shockingly underpowered, people wouldn't start coming out of the woodwork to declare how they singlehandedly took out an enemy fleet with their Raptor (equipped with one blaster and nosfers, of course). This sort of worthless self-congratulation actually damages the possibility of something being done about the ship.
/signed. Its pretty ridiculous that people are trying to argue that the raptor and ares are anything but useless. A good raptor pilot vs a good pilot of any other inty means the raptor pilot loses, likewise with the ares. Depending on setups of course, but even then not really, I mean ares/raptor will lose at close range to any close range inty and at long range to any long range inty.
Agreed, for the people that are saying "im l337 i can beat all other ceptor in my raptor whaa whaa you dont know how to fit cus your a noob whaa whaa" What a load of crap!
give me a break the ship is a complete load of crap. Theres no grid!! its the slowest ceptor, not to mention its meger damage output.
In fact caldari are complete crap post patch, crow, raptor, cerberus, eagle, raven, moa, hawk, harpy aint "brilliant" this is from my point of view as im able to pilot 3\4 races t2 frigs. theres not a single frig the caldari have the other races cant do better. The harpy being an exception but if it aint ew set-up then id rather use an enyo.
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.08.03 03:36:00 -
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Originally by: kessah
In fact caldari are complete crap post patch, crow, raptor, cerberus, eagle, raven, moa, hawk, harpy aint "brilliant" this is from my point of view as im able to pilot 3\4 races t2 frigs. theres not a single frig the caldari have the other races cant do better. The harpy being an exception but if it aint ew set-up then id rather use an enyo.
Seconded.
Some Caldari ships are ok, but none is outstanding and most are subpar.
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Scathain
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Posted - 2005.08.03 04:29:00 -
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i think some shipslike the moa and eagle should be looked at and be come rail platforms, i also agree about the raptor and feel that sheild tanking needs a look at as its much better to armor tank.
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2005.08.03 05:28:00 -
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Originally by: kessah
Agreed, for the people that are saying "im l337 i can beat all other ceptor in my raptor whaa whaa you dont know how to fit cus your a noob whaa whaa" What a load of crap!
Yeah, because the people who complain the most are obviously the most credible.
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ELECTR0FREAK
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Posted - 2005.08.03 06:05:00 -
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Personally, I think that all that REALLY needs to be done is give all the crappy interceptors (Tier 1) more base speed than their stronger Tier 2 brothers.
This means that while the Raptor might not still be able to easily blow away a Tier 2 Interceptor, at least it could RUN really well, or catch up to a damaged one.
Or in any case, be a better Tech 2 shuttle.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.08.03 06:41:00 -
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Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK
Personally, I think that all that REALLY needs to be done is give all the crappy interceptors (Tier 1) more base speed than their stronger Tier 2 brothers.
This means that while the Raptor might not still be able to easily blow away a Tier 2 Interceptor, at least it could RUN really well, or catch up to a damaged one.
Or in any case, be a better Tech 2 shuttle.
The tier 1 Intys should get tackling bonuses. Like better web range, or decresed cap use for scramblers.
That is not dead which can eternal lie,
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ELECTR0FREAK
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Posted - 2005.08.03 06:48:00 -
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Yeah, I'd take that too.
-Electrofreak
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Rakasashan Endir
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Posted - 2005.08.03 08:02:00 -
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Edited by: Rakasashan Endir on 03/08/2005 08:09:21
I'd say that Tier 1 an tier 2 should be distinctly differant beasts, like th Claw and the Stilleto. The claw has been proven to be a capable skirmisher, and the Stiletto is a born tackler, and its bonuses should reflect that.
The Crow is a long range missile platform, and the raptor has the makings for a gunnery platform. It just needs a 3 turret slot, and replace the missile buff with a turret bonus, such as tracking.
I would imagine that if we left the rest as is, it would be vastly improved, and with a 25km, coupled with up to a 50% range bonus on te turrets, it could easily be made a medium to long range gunnery interceptor.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.08.03 09:12:00 -
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Originally by: Rakasashan Endir
I'd say that Tier 1 an tier 2 should be distinctly differant beasts, like th Claw and the Stilleto. The claw has been proven to be a capable skirmisher, and the Stiletto is a born tackler, and its bonuses should reflect that.
The Crow is a long range missile platform, and the raptor has the makings for a gunnery platform. It just needs a 3 turret slot, and replace the missile buff with a turret bonus, such as tracking.
I would imagine that if we left the rest as is, it would be vastly improved, and with a 25km, coupled with up to a 50% range bonus on te turrets, it could easily be made a medium to long range gunnery interceptor.
Nope, that would still leave the Ares sucking. Simply each race should get one combat Inty, and one tackler. We have all out combat frigs now they are called Assault frigs. Its time for some of the Intys to be changed so that they are the awesome tacklers they deserve to be. Think about 5% to web/scrambler optimal per level, or 5% less cap use for warp scramblers.
That is not dead which can eternal lie,
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kessah
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Posted - 2005.08.03 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: kessah
Agreed, for the people that are saying "im l337 i can beat all other ceptor in my raptor whaa whaa you dont know how to fit cus your a noob whaa whaa" What a load of crap!
Yeah, because the people who complain the most are obviously the most credible.
did u lose summin to kr0m? go play WoW if its too hard for you.
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2005.08.03 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: kessah
Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: kessah
Agreed, for the people that are saying "im l337 i can beat all other ceptor in my raptor whaa whaa you dont know how to fit cus your a noob whaa whaa" What a load of crap!
Yeah, because the people who complain the most are obviously the most credible.
did u lose summin to kr0m? go play WoW if its too hard for you.
I've never even seen anyone from kr0m in game. Eve is too hard for me? Then why are you the one whining so much?
If you have the IQ of a doorknob, please don't reply any further.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.08.03 15:15:00 -
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Or what? You'll beat him up in your Raptor? Bahaha.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2005.08.03 15:29:00 -
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would be great if tier1 ceptos would get tackling bonuses,
maybe speed and scramble range
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.08.03 15:48:00 -
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Some ships have a built-in warp core stabilizers.
Why no warp scramblers?
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.08.03 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Or what? You'll beat him up in your Raptor? Bahaha.
I Die A lot in this vid
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2005.08.03 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Sorja
Some ships have a built-in warp core stabilizers.
Why no warp scramblers?
Passive vs. Activated module?
There are new ships coming out called interdictors that will basically be a flying warp bubble (from what I understand).
If you guys don't like the Raptor, don't fly it. I don't have any issues tackling with it and killing some frigs and haulers here and there but I'm not in love with it. I don't even fly it that often. But when I do fly it I get the job done. If you can't, either you're doing something wrong or you just suck. Sorry. Other ships beckon, I guess.
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Dura'Lorth
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Posted - 2005.08.03 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Sorja
Some ships have a built-in warp core stabilizers.
Why no warp scramblers?
I dont think it would be fair but +1 to scrambler and disruptor strenght would be good. +3 disruptor and a +2 scrambler
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.08.03 18:22:00 -
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Edited by: DrunkenOne on 03/08/2005 18:24:14
Originally by: Alowishus
If you guys don't like the Raptor, don't fly it. I don't have any issues tackling with it and killing some frigs and haulers here and there but I'm not in love with it. I don't even fly it that often. But when I do fly it I get the job done. If you can't, either you're doing something wrong or you just suck. Sorry. Other ships beckon, I guess.
Congradulations on killing "some" frigs and haulers. Looks like you perform almost as well as a rifter. That definatly shows that the raptor is quite awesome.
I killed a raptor the first time I ever flew a claw, using TECH ONE 250s (aka the worst gun in the game), and it was my first time flying an inty and I had no idea what to do. Due to this raptors must suck, right? Oh wait its a personal story that has no impact whatsoever on the actual performance of the ship.
If you fly a raptor you are doing something wrong (mentally) or you just suck, sorry.
I Die A lot in this vid
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2005.08.03 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: DrunkenOne
Oh wait its a personal story that has no impact whatsoever on the actual performance of the ship.
And what does impact the performance of the ship? Your word? A bunch of whiners who've never even flown one? God I love Eve bench pilots. There's people who talk and people who do.
The truth is that you all are acting like morons. Select a ship, look at it's stats, decide what it's capable of, set up, fly, win. That's what I do. It looks like a lot of you do this:
Select a ship, decide it sucks because a Merlin has more grid. Tell everyone this is the case without ever proving it.
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Select a ship, check the stats, evaluate wrong, expect it to do something it can't, set up wrong, fly lose.
Wow, gee, I can see how cool it must be to be one of those types of people.
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Dura'Lorth
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Posted - 2005.08.03 20:33:00 -
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I would love to see one of these super raptor setups.
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marioman
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Posted - 2005.08.03 21:24:00 -
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Edited by: marioman on 03/08/2005 21:27:55
Originally by: Scathain
i think some shipslike the moa and eagle should be looked at and be come rail platforms, i also agree about the raptor and feel that sheild tanking needs a look at as its much better to armor tank.
The Eagle and Moa are rail platforms....
And with the new shield compensation skill shield tanking got ALOT better.
For example: I get 115hp/s shield boost for 27 cap/s on my eagle now thats 14hp/s more than i get with t2 large and med armor reps on my megathron for 24 less cap use per second, with 74/80/70/60 resistances across the board.
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2005.08.03 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Dura'Lorth
I would love to see one of these super raptor setups.
There's nothing super about them. Jesus H, people. I didn't say I used a Raptor to WTFPWN the whole universe. I said I've used one and had success with it. Maybe for 10mil I wouldn't buy a Raptor but the one I have was free and it's survived quite a few encounters.
There are most certainly better solo killers. Sure. Whatever. Who cares? I got a free Raptor and I've put it to good use. Could it use more grid? Sure. I mean I do have to use MAPC, but I have to use one on my Crow as well. A third turret slot would be superb for 1v1 inty fights but tackling BS and staying outside web range while your friends pound them, it works good for that, as good as any Ceptor for that. And yeah, in that role it's better than a Rifter/Incursus/Kestrel/Merlin/Whatever due to the speed, sig radius and locking speed. And since mine was free, it's a bargain at twice the price. If I was paying money, I'd buy a Malediction over the Raptor as it does the same thing but better.
It's far from "useless". Worth the isk? Sure, that's open for debate.
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Profess0r Mansechs0r
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Posted - 2005.08.03 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus
The truth is that you all are acting like morons. Select a ship, look at it's stats, decide what it's capable of, set up, fly, win. That's what I do. It looks like a lot of you do this:
Select a ship, decide it sucks because a Merlin has more grid. Tell everyone this is the case without ever proving it.
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Select a ship, check the stats, evaluate wrong, expect it to do something it can't, set up wrong, fly lose.
Wow, gee, I can see how cool it must be to be one of those types of people.
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slip66
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Posted - 2005.08.03 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: DrunkenOne
I'm actually fairly confident I could kill a raptor in a merlin.
But it doesn't matter, the Raptor isn't a killer, it's a tackler. If you don't believe me that's your problem.
thats the role I see for it. Tackler, thats pretty darn cheap too.
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Porro
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Posted - 2005.08.03 23:55:00 -
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This discussion looks like the one we just had on irc, anyway some oddities about the raptor and ares, they're both the tackler variants, butthe raptor flies slower than the crow, and the ares has 2 medslots compared to the taranis' 3? This makes little sense.
Id love to see tackling bonuses for the ares raptor malediction and stiletto rather than pretty silly damage ones, 5% em missile / thermic / kinetic missile and the most pointless bonus of 10% fall off for the stiletto.
Scrap these, they're obviously not meant to do damage, they're siblings do that role. Give them say 5-10% warp scramble/web range or a strength bonus and make the raptor faster than the crow and sort the ares lack of medslots out.
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kessah
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Posted - 2005.08.04 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Dura'Lorth
I would love to see one of these super raptor setups.
There's nothing super about them. Jesus H, people. I didn't say I used a Raptor to WTFPWN the whole universe. I said I've used one and had success with it. Maybe for 10mil I wouldn't buy a Raptor but the one I have was free and it's survived quite a few encounters.
There are most certainly better solo killers. Sure. Whatever. Who cares? I got a free Raptor and I've put it to good use. Could it use more grid? Sure. I mean I do have to use MAPC, but I have to use one on my Crow as well. A third turret slot would be superb for 1v1 inty fights but tackling BS and staying outside web range while your friends pound them, it works good for that, as good as any Ceptor for that. And yeah, in that role it's better than a Rifter/Incursus/Kestrel/Merlin/Whatever due to the speed, sig radius and locking speed. And since mine was free, it's a bargain at twice the price. If I was paying money, I'd buy a Malediction over the Raptor as it does the same thing but better.
It's far from "useless". Worth the isk? Sure, that's open for debate.
Har har, i think guys he's surcome to the pwning and is trying to change his opinion about his l337 raptor set-up.
Look why dont u just say
"Im very sorry for my bullsh1t about the raptor, im really not very good in it and im sorry for lying. Also id like to recommend Kessah as Godess of eve becus kessah is always right"
Theres a good boy xx
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2005.08.04 04:21:00 -
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Show me once where I said a Raptor was "l337" (I used that "word"?). Show me even where I said it was awesome or better than anything else. All I said was that it wasn't useless, that I've used it for some things and it got the job done fine.
Read, comprehend, learn. This game has too many stupid children in it, why add to that? Try being an adult please. Thanks.
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Bruchpilot
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Posted - 2005.08.04 04:27:00 -
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I used the Raptor a few months ago. It was a very good tackler and a good 1on1 ship too, at least I killed any shotrange Inty with it. Just because it doesn't kick ass it doesn't mean it's useless (look at the Phoon! It's ridiculously underpowered but noone whins about it cuz everyone is using the Tempest). Though I have to agree it could use more pg, another problem is maybe that a Crow can do anything a Raptor can do but better.
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Dura'Lorth
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Posted - 2005.08.04 05:25:00 -
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Originally by: Bruchpilot
Though I have to agree it could use more pg, another problem is maybe that a Crow can do anything a Raptor can do but better.
thats the main problem.
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2005.08.04 08:55:00 -
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Originally by: Dura'Lorth
Originally by: Bruchpilot
Though I have to agree it could use more pg, another problem is maybe that a Crow can do anything a Raptor can do but better.
thats the main problem.
Yeah. And the same applies to Taranis vs. Ares. The Taranis is a better tackler (and does tons more damage to boot). Make no sense.
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Kyozoku
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Posted - 2005.08.04 09:59:00 -
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aleast its the cheapest inty
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ELECTR0FREAK
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Posted - 2005.08.04 10:01:00 -
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you ever try sellin a Raptor? thats why
I like my Raptor TBH... it's got a good setup on it... for a Raptor. Won't hold up to much but at least it can kill T1 frigs...
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.08.04 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kyozoku
aleast its the cheapest inty
I think claw is cheapest actually. I get em for like 6.7 mil.
I Die A lot in this vid
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2005.08.04 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: DrunkenOne
Originally by: Kyozoku
aleast its the cheapest inty
I think claw is cheapest actually. I get em for like 6.7 mil.
Most expensive to least expensive:
Ares
Malediction
Taranis
Claw
Crusader
Raptor
Crow
Stiletto
Manufacturer prices differs due to ME and component deals. Also do note that according to this the Ares actually IS the worst interceptor hands down.
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.08.04 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Ithildin
Originally by: DrunkenOne
Originally by: Kyozoku
aleast its the cheapest inty
I think claw is cheapest actually. I get em for like 6.7 mil.
Most expensive to least expensive:
Ares
Malediction
Taranis
Claw
Crusader
Raptor
Crow
Stiletto
Manufacturer prices differs due to ME and component deals. Also do note that according to this the Ares actually IS the worst interceptor hands down.
Yeah but going by that is retarded, cause everyone knows crows are by far the most expensive. Thats like saying a vagabond is less expensive than say a sac, even tho vagas go for like 70+ now and sacs go for like 55ish.
I Die A lot in this vid
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Julien Derida
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Posted - 2005.08.04 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: DrunkenOne
Yeah but going by that is retarded, cause everyone knows crows are by far the most expensive. Thats like saying a vagabond is less expensive than say a sac, even tho vagas go for like 70+ now and sacs go for like 55ish.
Where have you seen a Sac that cheap? 
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