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Pulgor	Posted - 2005.08.02 19:00:00 - [1] Edited by: Pulgor on 02/08/2005 19:02:06 Originally by: Khaldorn Murino Tell me why I should answer such scum, who starts off his questions with such insults? How .. enlightened. Go spit slaver scum. Why not? Oh what the hey, I know enough about this subject to answer! The markings have been interpreted by sages to mean different things and the Minmatar's believe this is true. The best comparison is to Ammar court systems, where the verdict is known to the judge and jury before the trial has begun. In this case the crime is pre-empted because the marking on the skin tells everyone that they're going to commit a crime, or be a "No good." So really everyone should undergo the ritual and then Minmatar would be a nice clean place full of happy citizens that do everything for Matar, no crime, no poverty because those people would be locked away. That's what they told me in the RMS anyways. I think in reality these markings have little bearing on anything. ----------------------------------- UQS Battleminer. Get you the hot lasers of gank omen to die!
Pulgor	Posted - 2005.08.02 21:00:00 - [2] There was some sarcasm, that's just my opinion leaking through that these rituals are nonsense. The basic message still explains the ritual quite adequtely. ----------------------------------- UQS Battleminer. Get you the hot lasers of gank omen to die!
Pulgor	Posted - 2005.08.03 01:29:00 - [3] I'm unsure that having ones tounge cut out would really help them at all in their life. Aside from having tramatic memories of the experiance it's really quite pointless. I think that it's rather proposterous to say that getting a bad tattoo actually helps someone. In your case, Karn, so you became a pod pilot. That's not necessarly better then what would have happened if you hadn't gotten the tattoo, infact maybe the same thing would have happened, we don't know! While Karn would have us all believe that nobody really suffers because of a bad tattoo, that is incorrect. All one has to do is go to the colony on Starkman Prime and there you will see what bad tattoo's brings. Yes.... it is not a comforting sight to see thousands living in squalar. ----------------------------------- UQS Battleminer. Get you the hot lasers of gank omen to die!
Pulgor	Posted - 2005.08.03 07:14:00 - [4] I do not understand why people are judged by these markings without being able to prove their own quality. Is that not a freedom that Matari should beable to enjoy or is it one reserved for other races? To my knowledge the Ammatar have abolished this religion for the very reason that we serve in our own way. Therefore every Ammatari should be given the chance to prove his own quality. Should he fail then he will be a slave. It is much simplier and much more fair, I find it hard to see how anyone could disagree with this. ----------------------------------- UQS Battleminer. Get you the hot lasers of gank omen to die!
Pulgor	Posted - 2005.08.03 19:07:00 - [5] Originally by: Lorna Doone You seem to have no problems disrespecting it without understanding it. And I too am curious as to why slavers are taking this sudden interest in the culture they are trying so desperately to annihilate. The answer is obvious. Eradicating it didn't work, therefore understanding and assimilating it would be the next step. Khaldorn, simply say you will never answer the question instead of leading the poor slavers on. To say they respect your right to freedom would then logically indicate that they do not support slavery. I know you know this, you're trying to put them in a logical trap. It will fail. I would like to thank Sarkos' for his explanation as it seems to make sense. However I could probably never understand denying someone the chance to prove his quality, simply because he got a slaver fang, or a broken shield. Even slaves are given the chance to prove their quality, which practice is more barbaric? ----------------------------------- UQS Battleminer. Get you the hot lasers of gank omen to die!
Pulgor	Posted - 2005.08.04 07:23:00 - [6] Edited by: Pulgor on 04/08/2005 07:24:13 Originally by: Sarkos Pulgor, the chance is always there. People that receive these 'bad' marks leave, they are not thrown out, though in some areas the individual is shunned. Perhaps in some ways the bad marks are self prophesising. Sarkos People do change though. Look at Khanjohn. Once a stalwart supporter of the Amarr way he now fights for the Ushra'Khan. If he had a tattoo would it change or no? People can change, that's what makes enlightenment possible! I'll have to agree with Disco on this one.... great... now look what you did, I'm agreeing with Disco, this is bad! ----------------------------------- UQS Battleminer. Get you the hot lasers of gank omen to die!
Pulgor	Posted - 2005.08.04 20:44:00 - [7] Can adults undergo the Vorovul ritual? ----------------------------------- UQS Battleminer. Get you the hot lasers of gank omen to die!
Pulgor	Posted - 2005.08.04 22:33:00 - [8] If Disco tried to visit the Minmatar ceramonial grounds, wouldn't he get blasted? ----------------------------------- UQS Battleminer. Get you the hot lasers of gank omen to die!
Pulgor	Posted - 2005.08.04 22:47:00 - [9] Originally by: Makkar I think he'd probably emerge as unscathed as I would, were I to burst into the cathedral in Dam-Torsad nude, and shout "Where da white wimmin at?". Pulgor laughs ----------------------------------- UQS Battleminer. Get you the hot lasers of gank omen to die!
Pulgor	Posted - 2005.08.06 00:34:00 - [10] Originally by: Sarkos Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Karn Mithralia Is there ever any doubt among the participants what a mark means? Judging by some of the comments from Minmatars on this thread, the answer is a resounding "yes". Answer: NO, the marks are known to the children of Matar. Sarkos But there are hundreds of them. I hardly believe you just instinctivly known. Isn't there a book or something that lists them all? ----------------------------------- UQS Battleminer. Get you the hot lasers of gank omen to die!
Pulgor	Posted - 2005.08.06 04:14:00 - [11] Exactly, you'll have to read that large book. I can't imagine anyone remembering every tattoo. ----------------------------------- UQS Battleminer. Get you the hot lasers of gank omen to die!
Pulgor	Posted - 2005.08.09 07:38:00 - [12] I find it halarious that someone from lawless space. A demographic of pilots that rarely take interest in the discussions here on the summit. Can better explain the marking process more clearly then those of the Ushra'Khan. However it may be due to lack of trying on the Ushra'Khan's part. Good explanations, Angelice. ----------------------------------- UQS Battleminer. Get you the hot lasers of gank omen to die!
Pulgor	Posted - 2005.08.09 20:03:00 - [13] Originally by: Sarkos Pulgor, Angelice did indeed give a very concise explanation. Her markings show an incredible willpower, something needed to deal with the likes of the Amarr and Ammatar who would use a public medium in an attempt to make fun of our spiritual ways. Sarkos I am unsure how I attempted to make fun of your beliefs? I offered some skeptisism which Angilece has mostly removed with her analysis. Perhaps you should take some notes from this individual and simply offer a well rounded response. If you are then made fun of by your detractors, cease the line of conversation with them, having answered their query. In return they can do the same for you. I am unsure why this concept of simple exchange is so difficult for you, although perhaps that is why you havn't seen the light of the Ammatar Way yet. ----------------------------------- UQS Battleminer. Get you the hot lasers of gank omen to die!
Pulgor	Posted - 2005.08.10 09:04:00 - [14] Originally by: Khaldorn Murino Originally by: Pulgor I am unsure why this concept of simple exchange is so difficult for you, although perhaps that is why you havn't seen the light of the Ammatar Way yet. As Eddie says, as an alien concept as it might be to you, but we fight everyday against slaver scum. And there is no Ammatar Way, there is only your masters, the Amarrians way. Incorrect! Infact you should be honored to have the privledge of being a member of the first race chosen to serve on their own. Unlike the Ni-Kunni whom were all enslaved from the onset. The Ammatar's, the select few mostly from your ruling caste have been chosen to serve the empire in their own way. There is limited supervision which is understandable considering the circumstances. However this whole "Polish my boots." concept is really out the window. And I see my point still stands, straw man it is not! ----------------------------------- UQS Battleminer. Get you the hot lasers of gank omen to die!

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