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Pewty McPew
EVE Corporation 2357451
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Posted - 2013.02.23 12:20:00 -
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Eve's PVP death and resurrection system is far and away better then other MMO systems *cough* WOW *cough* currently out there.
But if there were no such things as medical clones, when you die, you reroll another character and start from scratch.
Would your play style be different? Would you be as willing to jump in your ship and fly into battle as readily as you do now? Would you be willing to gank that Mackinaw mining ice? How much of a risk would you be willing to take?
If there was an option to play with a hardcore mode given at character selection, would you choose it? Would you choose it if there were say a 3x skill mulltiplier?
I have played many MMOs over the years and the uniqueness of Eve's system seems to provide the almost perfect sandbox atmosphere that exists today. I was just pondering how things would be different if dead meant dead. |
Forum Clone 77777
State War Academy
Caldari State
53
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Posted - 2013.02.23 12:23:00 -
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Because having a game where some skills take months to finish and if you die, welp, do it again, makes total sense /sarcasm
If you want EVE to be like that, just dont update your clone. |
Whitehound
946
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Posted - 2013.02.23 12:26:00 -
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I have played such hardcore modes, but I think it is just an excuse by the game makers for not having a deep and thorough development path for your characters in the first place. It is then fun at the end of one's path to risk it all and to lose it in a freak mishap so one can start over again.
It only works when a game's mechanic is simple. Then it is a blast.
Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
840
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Posted - 2013.02.23 12:30:00 -
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Posting in yet another brainless idea thread.
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
Pewty McPew
EVE Corporation 2357451
222
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Posted - 2013.02.23 12:33:00 -
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I'm not suggesting they change anything. I was posing the question if clones didn't exist how would that effect your gameplay. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1820
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Posted - 2013.02.23 12:36:00 -
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Yes, but in so far as I wouldn't touch the game. |
Felicity Love
STARKRAFT
289
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Posted - 2013.02.23 12:40:00 -
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I'd expect the outcry for a pure PVP server, by both PVP'ers and Carebears alike, to drive CCP's business strategy on such decision.
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
Joran Dravius
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
147
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Posted - 2013.02.23 16:21:00 -
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Forum Clone 77777 wrote:Because having a game where some skills take months to finish and if you die, welp, do it again, makes total sense /sarcasm
Not empty quoting. |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
979
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Posted - 2013.02.23 17:04:00 -
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Pewty McPew wrote:Eve's PVP death and resurrection system is far and away better then other MMO systems *cough* WOW *cough* currently out there.
But if there were no such things as medical clones, when you die, you reroll another character and start from scratch..
Seriously? You're asking this? Noone is going to invest potentially years of training to lose it in a fight. Noone! The only way that would work is a hardcore P2W system, not PVP.
HTFU!...for the children! |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
1179
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Posted - 2013.02.23 17:52:00 -
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Pewty McPew wrote:Eve's PVP death and resurrection system is far and away better then other MMO systems *cough* WOW *cough* currently out there.
But if there were no such things as medical clones, when you die, you reroll another character and start from scratch.
Would your play style be different? Would you be as willing to jump in your ship and fly into battle as readily as you do now? Would you be willing to gank that Mackinaw mining ice? How much of a risk would you be willing to take?
If there was an option to play with a hardcore mode given at character selection, would you choose it? Would you choose it if there were say a 3x skill mulltiplier?
I have played many MMOs over the years and the uniqueness of Eve's system seems to provide the almost perfect sandbox atmosphere that exists today. I was just pondering how things would be different if dead meant dead.
You mean if Eve was run face-to-face in an abandoned warehouse, ala Fight Club? That kind of hardcore? No.
But then, you seem to have forgotten this is ALL PIXELS ON A SCREEN. *eye roll here*
"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." -á --- Sorlac |
Thorrahrafn
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
17
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Posted - 2013.02.23 17:57:00 -
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Mr Kidd wrote:Pewty McPew wrote:Eve's PVP death and resurrection system is far and away better then other MMO systems *cough* WOW *cough* currently out there.
But if there were no such things as medical clones, when you die, you reroll another character and start from scratch.. Seriously? You're asking this? Noone is going to invest potentially years of training to lose it in a fight. Noone! The only way that would work is a hardcore P2W system, not PVP.
Hell, people do it in real life "PvP" every day. Though real life *is* notoriously P2W. |
stoicfaux
2416
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Posted - 2013.02.23 17:58:00 -
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Station Trading. Lots of station trading.
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Google Voices
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
55
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Posted - 2013.02.23 19:39:00 -
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Pewty McPew wrote:Eve's PVP death and resurrection system is far and away better then other MMO systems *cough* WOW *cough* currently out there.
But if there were no such things as medical clones, when you die, you reroll another character and start from scratch.
Would your play style be different? Would you be as willing to jump in your ship and fly into battle as readily as you do now? Would you be willing to gank that Mackinaw mining ice? How much of a risk would you be willing to take?
If there was an option to play with a hardcore mode given at character selection, would you choose it? Would you choose it if there were say a 3x skill mulltiplier?
I have played many MMOs over the years and the uniqueness of Eve's system seems to provide the almost perfect sandbox atmosphere that exists today. I was just pondering how things would be different if dead meant dead.
Would make grinding skills rather pointless wouldn't it?
Not to mention, 0.0 would become a ghost town.....Who's going to take a chance on losing a 100 mil sp character in his SC?
"Fozzie could not comment on when this issue would be resolved and stated that GÇ£one day Veritas will come up to me and say GÇÿhey I fixed off-grid boostingGÇÖGÇ¥, but he had no idea on a potential timeframe for this sort of miracle." |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air
3203
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Posted - 2013.02.23 19:43:00 -
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I'd just roll lots of alts for PvP, no biggie
24 hour heroes poppin pods, shuttles, errtang |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
305
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Posted - 2013.02.23 20:27:00 -
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Pewty McPew wrote:But if there were no such things as medical clones, when you die, you reroll another character and start from scratch.
This doesn't really work for games beyond a certain complexity. There are just too many situations where you could lose your character for good and it stops to be fun after a while.
EVE has a pretty good balance in this respect.
Remove insurance. |
Charlepetit LaJoie
Trust Me Ltd
281
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Posted - 2013.02.23 23:38:00 -
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I would be willing to try hardmode, but I suggest the lifepods should then be given some defenses. |
Psychotic Monk
The Skunkworks
757
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Posted - 2013.02.24 00:14:00 -
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I would be killing as many pods as I could.
Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Have a blog, if you care. |
Rroff
The Xenodus Initiative.
211
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Posted - 2013.02.24 00:21:00 -
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Nope, absolutely no fun to grinding up the same skill over and over and over again.
A few games have tried it and ultimately it only attracts a very niche set of players and they've ended up having to scale it back to stem the bleed of players. I think DayZ is about the only game (mod) to make it at all work. |
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
Homowners
37
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Posted - 2013.02.24 01:04:00 -
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Jovian space.
CCP will open up Jovian space, and by Jove, they've developed a region wide field that blocks the ability to transfer consciousness via pod technology. Big warnings in the gates before you enter Jove space.
Then pilots find that there are resources in Jove space (and only there) that are needed to produce some amazing new T3 ships. BPOs for those ships and components also only drop in Jove space.
Truly epic tears ensue. Loners will try and sneak in for massive profits, long hated FC's/corp mates will find themselves prodded by friendly fire when huge fleets try to control space long enough to get crazy rich. Epic. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3512
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Posted - 2013.02.24 01:17:00 -
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It already is hardcore PvP, so the question is moot and is already answered by the 58,000 logged in today.
Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.-á-á-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde - 1870's |
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
Homowners
38
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Posted - 2013.02.24 02:02:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:It already is hardcore PvP, so the question is moot and is already answered by the 58,000 logged in today.
I do not think that word means what you think it means.
I'll even elaborate: "hardcore" in this context means "permanent death"
Also, your sig is gay.
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Psychotic Monk
The Skunkworks
757
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Posted - 2013.02.24 02:04:00 -
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There's plenty of things to pick on Kristal Icefluxor for. His sig and his sexual orientation are not among them.
Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Have a blog, if you care. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3512
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Posted - 2013.02.24 03:25:00 -
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Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:It already is hardcore PvP, so the question is moot and is already answered by the 58,000 logged in today. I do not think that word means what you think it means. I'll even elaborate: "hardcore" in this context means "permanent death" Also, your sig is gay.
There you go using that word in a derogatory way.
Too bad for you that I am gay most indeed.
Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.-á-á-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde - 1870's |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3512
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Posted - 2013.02.24 03:26:00 -
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Psychotic Monk wrote:There's plenty of things to pick on Kristal Icefluxor for.
Yeah, I kinda went off back then didn't I.
Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.-á-á-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde - 1870's |
Psychotic Monk
The Skunkworks
758
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Posted - 2013.02.24 03:47:00 -
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Turning over a new leaf isn't that easy, Krix. Try harder. Or maybe finally quit like you've been promising to forever.
Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Have a blog, if you care. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3512
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Posted - 2013.02.24 04:13:00 -
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Psychotic Monk wrote:Turning over a new leaf isn't that easy, Krix. Try harder. Or maybe finally quit like you've been promising to forever.
Talk about irrelevant thread sidetracking........................
Also, you want playerbase folks to leave ? You must not really like the game that much and want it to fail.
Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.-á-á-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde - 1870's |
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
Homowners
38
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Posted - 2013.02.24 04:38:00 -
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Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:It already is hardcore PvP, so the question is moot and is already answered by the 58,000 logged in today. I do not think that word means what you think it means. I'll even elaborate: "hardcore" in this context means "permanent death" *snip* Please refrain from disrespectful comments. ISD Ezwal.
The snipped portion wasn't disrespectful, it was a fact (Oscar Wilde was) and was supposed to be a joke for those who got it. My bad, I guess. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
4016
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Posted - 2013.02.24 05:12:00 -
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Permanent death would be stupid.
Full skill loss would be stupid.
Malcanis for CSM 8
Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
331
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Posted - 2013.02.24 05:23:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Permanent death would be stupid.
Full skill loss would be stupid.
Not empty quoting. |
Arronicus
Vintas Industries
Mistakes Were Made.
273
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Posted - 2013.02.24 06:24:00 -
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You bet I'd play. I'd skill up 14 hour arty thrasher pilots, fit them out dirt cheap, and suicide gank people's pods, shuttles, then pods, anything just to kill them. Once me, and the other heros of eve had suicide ganked enough of the 'hardcore' mode players to create a critical mass, causing them all to quit, and ccp to undo the function, bringing back eve to the way it is now, I'd go back to my main characters, and enjoying the game. |
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