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Skorpynekomimi
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Posted - 2013.02.25 22:23:00 -
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So don't mine in that system. Move! Go! |
Agent Eunoli
BRAB0
78
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Posted - 2013.02.25 22:39:00 -
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Verfanny wrote:I think that James 315 has a worthy goal, I also think most people don't hate the message, but only the messenger. This whole New Order thing is quite interesting. Maybe if mining required more input from the player, there would be less bots.
I agree with this but within the current framework of EVE Online we do what we can to assist active miners get as much reward for the time they put into mining.
Bots are a plague to any game and need to be removed as soon as possible. CCP does a pretty good job at identifying bots and removing them but it takes time to investigate. This is where the New Order of Highsec comes in. We step up and escort bots out of mining range or destroy their ships. This way we interrupt their ISK flow and make mining a more profitable venture for active miners.
AFK miners are as bad as botters in my view. They are, basically, bots. They don't interact with anyone. They aren't even playing the game. They sit at belts, mine, ignoring everything around them and, for all intents and purposes, do not exist. They don't even react like NPCs would. AFK mining is a terrible activity and often those who wind up AFK mining quit the game out of boredom. After all, they aren't even playing the game. The New Order of Highsec identifies them as Bot Aspirants since they talk like bots, look like bots, and act like bots.
Some like to argue that they AFK mine to "support" other characters. As in, the player will be at work, and put a mining ship to "work" and mine for hours on end without playing the game. But, they still aren't actually playing the game. When you make a decision to do something like mine AFK then you should accept the consequence of that behaviour. In our case, that means the individual may be moved out of mining range and / or having their ship / pod blown up.
What constantly amazes me is the reaction that some people have when they discover that their ship was lost when they weren't playing the game. The reaction is so out of line with what happened that it is ridiculous. They weren't even playing the game but they get so aggressive and mad about losing something that they weren't playing with anyway.
Highsec shouldn't be 100% safe and with each iteration of making it safer CCP is encouraging AFK mining even more. The more people who AFK mine the greater number of people who slowly lose interest in the game - not just the AFK miners but the other players who come into a system and see 50 people there but not a single one of them reacts to them. Players quickly learn that even though the system says that there are 50 people in local the reality is that almost none of them are real.
This leads to boredom when it comes to trying to interact with others in an MMO....
I could go on but I'll stop here.
Cinematic HD EVE Movies: http://www.youtube.com/user/EveEunoli/ |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2308
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Posted - 2013.02.25 22:48:00 -
[63] - Quote
I pass through plenty of ice systems that have no sign of these guys.
Then again, I don't lurk around anywhere near trade hubs. It's a big universe, folks. Try seeing some of it.
Mr Epeen 
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Skeln Thargensen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2013.02.25 22:52:00 -
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lol @ dehumanising rhetoric.
truth is it doesn't matter so much if you're paying attention or not. if you've got your eye on local, you might spot some flashy red things headed your way but by the time they hit your belt you are screwed. you'll never align in time. only way to protect against that is either by being super twitchy and aligning every time you think you're about to have a bad day, tanking your ship or (and this is my favourite) simply moving far, far away from noobs and their griefers.
I've been AFK mining for months and I haven't seen a single ganker.
I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want. |
Verfanny
Seamap Solutions
30
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Posted - 2013.02.25 22:55:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:lol @ dehumanising rhetoric.
truth is it doesn't matter so much if you're paying attention or not. if you've got your eye on local, you might spot some flashy red things headed your way but by the time they hit your belt you are screwed. you'll never align in time. only way to protect against that is either by being super twitchy and aligning every time you think you're about to have a bad day, tanking your ship or (and this is my favourite) simply moving far, far away from noobs and their griefers.
I've been AFK mining for months and I haven't seen a single ganker.
You should already be aligned when mining. Better safe than sorry. |
Vin King
State War Academy
Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2013.02.25 23:00:00 -
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You know, if you don't want to purchase your mining permit, there are other ways you can make sure you are helping to ensure code compliance. Fit up your Cat, join one of our gank fleets, and call it a very good day for everyone!
315 4 CSM 8 |
Skeln Thargensen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2013.02.25 23:03:00 -
[67] - Quote
Verfanny wrote:You should already be aligned when mining. Better safe than sorry.
I did a stopwatch test on this with some guys in CAS corp chat and we came to the conclusion that pointing vaguely at the celestial doesn't help you align any quicker, the bulk of time taken by acceleration not turning the ship. We also concluded that in 0.5 systems the align time of a mackinaw is approximately the same as stated CONCORD response time (about 17-20 seconds iirc)
try it out, you may be surprised.
I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want. |
Pewty McPew
EVE Corporation 2357451
248
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Posted - 2013.02.25 23:09:00 -
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I've delt with them on numerous occasions.
Best thing to do is:
1. Right click on you mining taget (Ice), click approach.
1a. This renders their bumping useless, they can bump you all day long and you will still keep approaching your target.
2. Minimize local
2a. This renders their spamming useless.
3. Profit ???
Problem solved :) |
Vin King
State War Academy
Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2013.02.25 23:24:00 -
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Pewty McPew wrote:I've delt with them on numerous occasions.
Best thing to do is:
1. Right click on you mining taget (Ice), click approach.
1a. This renders their bumping useless, they can bump you all day long and you will still keep approaching your target.
2. Minimize local
2a. This renders their spamming useless.
3. Profit ???
Problem solved :)
Unless you are afk, because then you return you discover your lasers haven't been active for some time.
315 4 CSM 8 |
Agent Eunoli
BRAB0
79
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Posted - 2013.02.25 23:34:00 -
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Pewty McPew wrote:I've delt with them on numerous occasions.
Best thing to do is:
1. Right click on you mining taget (Ice), click approach.
1a. This renders their bumping useless, they can bump you all day long and you will still keep approaching your target.
2. Minimize local
2a. This renders their spamming useless.
3. Profit ???
Problem solved :)
Better thing to do: buy a mining permit and support emergent gameplay.
Cinematic HD EVE Movies: http://www.youtube.com/user/EveEunoli/ |
Pewty McPew
EVE Corporation 2357451
248
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Posted - 2013.02.25 23:36:00 -
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Agent Eunoli wrote:Pewty McPew wrote:I've delt with them on numerous occasions.
Best thing to do is:
1. Right click on you mining taget (Ice), click approach.
1a. This renders their bumping useless, they can bump you all day long and you will still keep approaching your target.
2. Minimize local
2a. This renders their spamming useless.
3. Profit ???
Problem solved :) Better thing to do: buy a mining permit and support emergent gameplay.
Give me 10 mil ISK I'll show you emergent gameplay
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BillMurray
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2013.02.25 23:48:00 -
[72] - Quote
Pewty McPew wrote:I've delt with them on numerous occasions.
Best thing to do is:
1. Right click on you mining taget (Ice), click approach.
1a. This renders their bumping useless, they can bump you all day long and you will still keep approaching your target.
2. Minimize local
2a. This renders their spamming useless.
3. Profit ???
Problem solved :)
I don't have my diagrams on hand, but I'll give you a small tip on why approaching doesn't work. Approaching/orbiting an asteroid grants every AFKer their dream: still moving without being at the keyboard. However, this automates their movement and the movement pattern in-turn become predictable.
An example scenario would be a miner who has set their ship to always approach the asteroid. Even if the asteroid is being hugged, an Agent can still bump the ship a good 7-10km from the rock. Once that mining ship has slowed down from the bump, it will pull a 180 and approach the asteroid in a straight line. The Agent, at the same time, is still sitting where the bump occurred right where said miner is approaching to. This allows the Agent to fly directly at the miner who is now aiding the Agent by providing a clear, predictable flight plan with no chance of missing.
Orbiting is the same with the small caveat of constantly moving. Although they are flying in circles, bumping the miner out of this orbit will have them approaching the object they were orbiting in a straight line. Once again, a predictable path is set for the Agent to bump the miner with little to no mercy.
Of course, these are all New Order lies and you should employ the approaching and orbiting tactics to foil our every step.
Agent BillMurray, New Order of Highsec
www.minerbumping.com
Mining Permits: 10m ISK per character for One (1) Year of mining in New Order systems. Contact an Agent today to purchase one! |
Pewty McPew
EVE Corporation 2357451
248
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Posted - 2013.02.26 00:00:00 -
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BillMurray wrote:Pewty McPew wrote:I've delt with them on numerous occasions.
Best thing to do is:
1. Right click on you mining taget (Ice), click approach.
1a. This renders their bumping useless, they can bump you all day long and you will still keep approaching your target.
2. Minimize local
2a. This renders their spamming useless.
3. Profit ???
Problem solved :) I don't have my diagrams on hand, but I'll give you a small tip on why approaching doesn't work. Approaching/orbiting an asteroid grants every AFKer their dream: still moving without being at the keyboard. However, this automates their movement and the movement pattern in-turn become predictable. An example scenario would be a miner who has set their ship to always approach the asteroid. Even if the asteroid is being hugged, an Agent can still bump the ship a good 7-10km from the rock. Once that mining ship has slowed down from the bump, it will pull a 180 and approach the asteroid in a straight line. The Agent, at the same time, is still sitting where the bump occurred right where said miner is approaching to. This allows the Agent to fly directly at the miner who is now aiding the Agent by providing a clear, predictable flight plan with no chance of missing. Orbiting is the same with the small caveat of constantly moving. Although they are flying in circles, bumping the miner out of this orbit will have them approaching the object they were orbiting in a straight line. Once again, a predictable path is set for the Agent to bump the miner with little to no mercy. Of course, these are all New Order lies and you should employ the approaching and orbiting tactics to foil our every step.
Well apparently the ones that tried unsuccessfully to bump me for several hours did not know this, or your math is off, cause approaching works just fine for me, always has.
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Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
454
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Posted - 2013.02.26 00:05:00 -
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They're pretty harmless with their antics out there in space.
This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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Stegas Tyrano
GLU CANU
Open Space Consultancy
229
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Posted - 2013.02.26 00:39:00 -
[75] - Quote
Where does all this New Order stuff happen?
[PROPOSAL] INGAME ADVERTS FOR PLAYERS |
BillMurray
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2013.02.26 00:46:00 -
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Stegas Tyrano wrote:Where does all this New Order stuff happen?
We are focused in Halaima/Kamio at the moment, but all systems in Highsec fall under our purview. Previously we were taking a road trip through Gallente space (Hi Brapelille!), but now we are back at our Capitol. Come join us!
Agent BillMurray, New Order of Highsec
www.minerbumping.com
Mining Permits: 10m ISK per character for One (1) Year of mining in New Order systems. Contact an Agent today to purchase one! |
Raiz Nhell
Kangaroo Ate my baby
Orchestrated Alliance
231
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Posted - 2013.02.26 01:01:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:Verfanny wrote:You should already be aligned when mining. Better safe than sorry. I did a stopwatch test on this with some guys in CAS corp chat and we came to the conclusion that pointing vaguely at the celestial doesn't help you align any quicker, the bulk of time taken by acceleration not turning the ship. We also concluded that in 0.5 systems the align time of a mackinaw is approximately the same as stated CONCORD response time (about 17-20 seconds iirc) try it out, you may be surprised.
Yes most of the time aligning is spent accelerating...
Aligning you ship and staying stationary is useless...
What is meant by staying aligned is:
Pick two celestials opposite each other...
Align to one, set speed at 3/4 which is the speed you need to reach to jump to warp.
When almost out of range of rock, select other celestial and align to it and continue at 3/4 speed.
If you keep the celestial selected, all you have to do is hit warp and you will insta-warp off.
However is you are doing this you are obviously actively playing and contributing to the community, and are therefore unlikely to become a target of the New Order.
There is no such thing as a fair fight...
If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage. |
Skeln Thargensen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
33
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Posted - 2013.02.26 01:08:00 -
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lol @ 'purview'
I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
5477
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Posted - 2013.02.26 02:40:00 -
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John E Normus wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:John E Normus wrote:They won't move for the most part. And they come from far and wide to see the show. And we give it to them. Vultures, miners, mission runners, and the curious. Some get it more than once. Others, like a lot of people in this thread don't get it at all. Wanna try your luck and take a shot at the good guys? We're operating out of Kamio at the moment. Player interaction in all forms are always welcome! btw, another Orca and the Mack that was next to him went kerblamo tonight... but you didn't hear that from me.  Mission Runners? I seriously doubt you guys have extorted ISK from a mission Runner or even tried. If you did try, the Mission Runner would probably explode with laughter. DMC They explode alright. Hit me in game and I'll explain how an AWOX is no laughing matter. JEN
Did I just get challenged to a duel by a noob toon created on 11-27-2012 ?
Oh, it's not a duel. Just a threat of having his crew AWOX me.
Wait a minute, for me to be AWOX'ed that would mean I'd have to be in the same corp. Well, I guess there's a snowball's chance in Hell of that ever happening.
Anyway JEN, I fixed your signature for you and good luck on trying to gank me.
DMC |
Aren Madigan
EVE University
Ivy League
129
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Posted - 2013.02.26 02:57:00 -
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Agent Trask wrote:Aren Madigan wrote:
This is the part I don't get. How does making life worse for the afk and semi-afk miners somehow make things better for the high sec miners? I've never gotten that leap in logic. Its probably not making them gain minerals any faster in most cases or anything like that.
By increasing the profits for miners that actively play EvE, and remain at the keyboard. Less bots and bot-aspirants mining = higher mineral prices, and more ISK for the remainder. Talk to Jen Loo about his EvE-Uni mining fleets. If he thinks you are AFK in one of his fleets, he will have an Eve-Uni corpmate sic his drones on your barge, to see if you stop watching pron long enough to avoid asploding.
Bots get banned, so at this point they are barely a blip on the radar... I doubt the number of barges that get destroyed are even a blip on the radar, soooo I'm not really convinced. Doesn't seperate New Order from any other ganking group who just ganks to see what they can loot, or just for fun really. Sounds like the usual ****, but someone trying to justify it as some "noble cause" rather than business as usual. |
Verfanny
Seamap Solutions
30
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Posted - 2013.02.26 04:17:00 -
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Aren Madigan wrote:Agent Trask wrote:Aren Madigan wrote:
This is the part I don't get. How does making life worse for the afk and semi-afk miners somehow make things better for the high sec miners? I've never gotten that leap in logic. Its probably not making them gain minerals any faster in most cases or anything like that.
By increasing the profits for miners that actively play EvE, and remain at the keyboard. Less bots and bot-aspirants mining = higher mineral prices, and more ISK for the remainder. Talk to Jen Loo about his EvE-Uni mining fleets. If he thinks you are AFK in one of his fleets, he will have an Eve-Uni corpmate sic his drones on your barge, to see if you stop watching pron long enough to avoid asploding. Bots get banned, so at this point they are barely a blip on the radar... I doubt the number of barges that get destroyed are even a blip on the radar, soooo I'm not really convinced. Doesn't seperate New Order from any other ganking group who just ganks to see what they can loot, or just for fun really. Sounds like the usual ****, but someone trying to justify it as some "noble cause" rather than business as usual.
They got a charismatic leader/guru and a cult-like following. I find this part interesting as James only started his New Order in July. |
Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
85
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Posted - 2013.02.26 04:38:00 -
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Aren Madigan wrote:Agent Trask wrote:Aren Madigan wrote:
This is the part I don't get. How does making life worse for the afk and semi-afk miners somehow make things better for the high sec miners? I've never gotten that leap in logic. Its probably not making them gain minerals any faster in most cases or anything like that.
By increasing the profits for miners that actively play EvE, and remain at the keyboard. Less bots and bot-aspirants mining = higher mineral prices, and more ISK for the remainder. Talk to Jen Loo about his EvE-Uni mining fleets. If he thinks you are AFK in one of his fleets, he will have an Eve-Uni corpmate sic his drones on your barge, to see if you stop watching pron long enough to avoid asploding. Bots get banned, so at this point they are barely a blip on the radar... I doubt the number of barges that get destroyed are even a blip on the radar, soooo I'm not really convinced. Doesn't seperate New Order from any other ganking group who just ganks to see what they can loot, or just for fun really. Sounds like the usual ****, but someone trying to justify it as some "noble cause" rather than business as usual.
tl;dr : "The new order isn't even a blip on the radar, which is why I've posted in a thread them about 30 times. I'm attempting to prove that they don't matter by obsessively posting about them." |
Aren Madigan
EVE University
Ivy League
130
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Posted - 2013.02.26 04:51:00 -
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I didn't say I didn't have some curiousity about them and I was talking in terms of mineral costs, not overall... sheesh, some people see one phrase and just run with it, don't they?
Verfanny wrote:They got a charismatic leader/guru and a cult-like following. I find this part interesting as James only started his New Order in July.
If he posted about it on Reddit, 4chan, SA or anything like that, I'd say its less charisma and more the usual result of those sites. Mob mentality doesn't even begin to describe what goes on in those place. Similar to how Brave Newbies burst in out of nowhere. That sort of thing isn't interesting or surprising to me anymore. Never found that sort of community appealing as its generally a pretty selfish and self-serving one. I just can't find myself be convinced that this is actually about helping the game and not the result of boredom elsewhere. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1023
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Posted - 2013.02.26 06:51:00 -
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Dyvim Slorm wrote:If they annoy you that much you could wardec them 
The bumptards have deliberately scattered themselves across a hundred different corps precisely to avoid this happening.
EvE Forum Bingo |
Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
1270
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Posted - 2013.02.26 06:59:00 -
[85] - Quote
Katran Luftschreck wrote:Dyvim Slorm wrote:If they annoy you that much you could wardec them The bumptards have deliberately scattered themselves across a hundred different corps precisely to avoid this happening.
Get some buddies, roll some gank alts, and take down some Agents. Hell, the New Order gives you instructions for rolling a gank alt and how to fit up Cats. It won't be as easy as ganking miners, but you can play the "skill" card when you pull it off.
Or is that too tough for you?
If you're not already part of a bloc, this is the best guy for CSM8. |
Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
76
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Posted - 2013.02.26 08:19:00 -
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Lozif wrote:All the new order powertriped members keeps spamming local channel in systems with ice, with "there" rules.
Can this be ok? its realy not ok with me, when they are in the system they almost block the local channel with links of there rules and they call out miners, and if they dont answer, they go on again in local and saying XXXX is bumped and bla bla bla, and next miner and the same spam all over again, and inbetween its "pay 10 mill bla bla bla"
I mean they can have rules and so, and i know CCP is ok with what they are doing, by bumping miners, and thats ok with me too, but stop the spam alrdy. for crying out loud.
I know it aint the same guy/girl every time, but its the same spam each time.
Spamming is annoying. Agreed. You should block them.
Not realizing that "spamming" General Discussion with "your" rules is just as bad as the local chat spam. But, I can't block forum posts. So, in retrospect, what you are doing is worse.
You have the tools built into the game client to remove unwanted chat and/or other pilots from stabbing your eyes. Use it.
And... Respect the EVE.
Thank you.
The Savior of EVE
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=205546&find=unread |
Skorpynekomimi
459
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Posted - 2013.02.26 11:25:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:lol @ dehumanising rhetoric.
truth is it doesn't matter so much if you're paying attention or not. if you've got your eye on local, you might spot some flashy red things headed your way but by the time they hit your belt you are screwed. you'll never align in time. only way to protect against that is either by being super twitchy and aligning every time you think you're about to have a bad day, tanking your ship or (and this is my favourite) simply moving far, far away from noobs and their griefers.
I've been AFK mining for months and I haven't seen a single ganker.
That's because you've been afk for months! You won't see them if you are, y'know.
I'm still very tempted by this idea of bumping miners for the luls, though. Screw extorting them, it just looks fun. |
Skeln Thargensen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2013.02.26 11:49:00 -
[88] - Quote
Skorpynekomimi wrote:That's because you've been afk for months! You won't see them if you are, y'know.
I'm still very tempted by this idea of bumping miners for the luls, though. Screw extorting them, it just looks fun.
please do, i don't think anyone could object to that without looking foolish.
less keen on mongy forum campaign that by neccesity has to spam forums with ridiculous claims. 
I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want. |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
62
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Posted - 2013.02.26 11:51:00 -
[89] - Quote
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:"their"
That and the "ignore" button.
There's nothing a million chinese guys can't do cheaper. |
Manny Moons
New Order Logistics
CODE.
7
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Posted - 2013.02.26 15:34:00 -
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Spamming local?
Local in most of these systems was dead silence before the New Order showed up. Maybe once every hour or two someone would ask for an Orca boost, but other than that - nothing. When the New Order comes to a system, local comes alive!
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