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Allaina
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Posted - 2005.08.03 20:17:00 -
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Have you guys run a 10/10 complex?
needs 8+ people to do it quickly, a couple hours quickly. The one our alliance runs only spawns keys twice per day and you aren't guranteed a mach bpc everytime (frequently, but not guranteed).
So, as a solo agent runner you think this is unfair? Maybe a little, cause even if a the same group of 8 people ran the complex 24/7 and they got a mach bpc every time and decided to share the bpcs evenly we would still all get our bpcs sooner than the solo agent runner. But that's the nature of group play.
Some cons to the complex path aswell:
Shared bounties.
Questionable loot.
Needs co-ordination with may other players.
No faction standing increase.
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Allaina
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Posted - 2005.08.04 05:02:00 -
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 Originally by: Tenashi
Originally by: Allaina
Have you guys run a 10/10 complex?
needs 8+ people to do it quickly, a couple hours quickly. The one our alliance runs only spawns keys twice per day and you aren't guranteed a mach bpc everytime (frequently, but not guranteed).
So, as a solo agent runner you think this is unfair? Maybe a little, cause even if a the same group of 8 people ran the complex 24/7 and they got a mach bpc every time and decided to share the bpcs evenly we would still all get our bpcs sooner than the solo agent runner. But that's the nature of group play.
so basicly ur saying that for 8 ppl to have a 1bil bpc u need to do 10-12 runs wich comes to less then a week while as solo it would take a 2-3 months
now point out where the balance is?
Pretty sure I admitted to it bein a little unfair.... Let me move my eyes up a little and check.... yep, I admitted its a little unfair.
But then again you are not taking into consideration the relative manhours involved.
lets assume:
10 runs x 2 hours each x 10 characters = 200 man hours (I picked easy numbers)
Solo gamer
90 days (3 months right? playing everyday?) x 4 play hours a day = 270 man hours
You might quibble with my math and make one or the other look like it takes more "work" however I assumed best case scenario for complex and worst for mission runner. So, putting the work load heavily in the mission runner's favor they still only appear to be doing roughly 25% more work than the complex runners. Not quite worthy of a chicken little call for umbrellas is it?
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Allaina
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Posted - 2005.08.05 04:25:00 -
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I'd like to clarify, I agree there is a problem with agents v. complex atm I just don't think it's as big an issue as you make it out to be.
The reason I brought up solo agent runner was the fact that atm you can't properly pool your effots and pool your LP.
Also a big friggen  for my multiplication error.
Food for thought for the ³ber pro-agent folks: Which complex do we run to get a Navy Issue Apoc?
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Allaina
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Posted - 2005.08.05 05:36:00 -
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Originally by: Rick Dentill
Edited by: Rick Dentill on 04/08/2005 08:01:01
Originally by: Allaina
Solo gamer
90 days (3 months right? playing everyday?) x 4 play hours a day = 270 man hours
90 days * 4 play hours = 360 man hours
Also were you saying that everyone gets a BPC or is your caluclation for 1 bpc only?
I was putting the odds waaaaaaaaaaaay in the complex's favor i.e. 10 players and 10 runs to get them each their own bpcs. So far it seems closer to 50/50 chance to get one.
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Allaina
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Posted - 2005.08.06 03:44:00 -
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Originally by: Bane Lord
within a WEEK of moving out to 0.0 i have made 10 TIMES more money than i EVER made in empire.
/me scratches head..... Kinda the whole f-ing point of 0.0 isn't it?
The people with the biggest LEGIT complain in this thread are the folks running angel agents. They are in 0.0 and they can't do as well as complex runners.
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Allaina
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Posted - 2005.08.07 06:29:00 -
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Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel
The only reason i would buy a singel player game would be not to have to play with ppl like u sicne u take this game way too serious and hear no one but ur own echos hwoling ( My way or the high way ) .
Whats wrogn with u ppl and big bucks ??? do u even know that soemtiems ur firends are not game junkies who stay 24/7 playing the damn game so when ever u log u find some one ???? Solo game play is a must and if u htink other wise then u need help for sure. if the entire game is only group stuff then all those who cant fidn ppl online to do stuff with should just logg off or stay in a staion talkign to them selves !!!!!!!
Ever damn thing in the game needs huge isk and missions were supposed to create soem isk factor for new ppl and solo players to get it and further enchance their charchters !!! but u just dotn care u want new ppl to just stick to mining veld hoping in 3 months or so they can buy enough skills and to afford a BS or a hac or an AF and its mods just coz they are not doing PVP or in 0.0 , but again u just dotn care about that ur too high and mighty to see that dont u !!!!!
As for Cosmos , go try the lvl 4 ones then come and argue about it 
1st that whole post is barely legible... even by the horrible standards that this site seems to have sunk to.
2nd you are making my hypocrisy detector jump off the scale! You go on and on about how theRaptor wants all you solo players to play the game the same way he does, then you go on to complain there isn't enough for you to do solo and you can't keep up. If you must play this game solo then either learn to live with the fact that you are pushing a square peg into a round hole or stop your damn *****ing. There is no way a single player should ever be as successful as a member of a group especially in a multiplayer online game. Yes the mods and fun "toys" all cost a lot of money and a lot of effort which is difficult for a single player to do on his/her own. Tough. Live with it, or play a game more suited to your style.
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