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Zapatero	Posted - 2005.08.03 23:33:00 - [1] WeÆre considering including alliance news within E-ONÆs news pages. Initially I was against it, but with a growing interest in chronicling EVEÆs rich player-created history, IÆm thinking it may be a useful resource for future EVE historians. So, to get an idea about whether this could work or not, IÆm asking if Alliance leaders/PRs can provide me with a short list of achievements (and failures) that their alliance has made over the past few weeks, since, say, the Cold War Patch was released. IÆm not looking for reams of information, just a few bullet points will do, eg: - We set up a new mining POS in XXXXX region. We now have 8 in total. - XXXXX region is now almost totally secure. A few pirate patrols appear, but nothing serious - A fleet battle occurred in XXXXX region against the evil XXXXX alliance. Losses were slight and we/they retreated. - War was declared on XXXXXX - We have 4 freighters in operation and 3 dreads about to launch. - We are reorganising our logistics operations - XXXXX corp has joined the alliance as a full member For this to work, please: DonÆt report untruths or speculation. Where I can I will make checks DonÆt report on future plans as plans can and will go awry û this is history we are documenting. DonÆt feel you have to reveal sensitive information. If giving locations, the region will be fine. This is not for corporation news, although if relevant corp news pertaining to alliances may be included Please donÆt include pilot names. Fleets or squadrons will suffice. I may however include contact information for alliance contacts. Email your alliance news to [email protected] within the next 7 days. Include your alliance name, your own in-game name, your position in the alliance, the in-game name of alliance æpressÆ contact (if different), the systems/regions your alliance has a claim to, details of current wars, NAP, KOS etcàà and attach to the email, if possible, your alliance logo. Screenshots, if available, would be appreciated as well Only one æofficialÆ report per alliance please. Also, it may be that only the larger or most prominent alliances will feature due to page constraints. Thanks Zapatero

SengH	Posted - 2005.08.03 23:43:00 - [2] Edited by: SengH on 03/08/2005 23:44:13 oh WOW CCP verified news reports... that'll sell copies of E-ON for sure.. especially at a time like this. Chalk me down for 1 copy... this is gonna get interesting.
Harrier	Posted - 2005.08.04 00:37:00 - [3] " We have 4 freighters in operation and 3 dreads about to launch" ccp realy want our enemies to know what we have
Khaerie	Posted - 2005.08.04 04:43:00 - [4] I will tell you the same thing I tell every person that asks me this. When you focus on the corporation histories and not just the alliances around you will have more stories and more history then you can even imagine. I get so tired of individual corps who pull off amazing things going unnoticed. 2nd in Command for Stain Empire Foreign Affairs CEO
Blacklight	Posted - 2005.08.04 04:58:00 - [5] We'll think about it. Eve Blacklight Style
Seleene	Posted - 2005.08.04 08:08:00 - [6] Originally by: Zapatero WeÆre considering including alliance news within E-ONÆs news pages. Initially I was against it, but with a growing interest in chronicling EVEÆs rich player-created history, IÆm thinking it may be a useful resource for future EVE historians. A growing interest? Sir, the interest has always been there! Originally by: Blacklight We'll think about it. What he said. And why? Probably because there is a lot of resentment that the in-game actions of hundreds / thousands of players has gone ignored for so long. I think the concern amoung the community is that this is just another short-term thing that will get a few people / groups in the spotlight for a couple news items and then things will go back to the way they were. My belief that CCP cared about the in-game actions of alliances died when BoB, 5 & MC helped the Serpentis steal a Gal Titan and within a few days it was as if the incident never happened. Yeah, I can see how something like that would have no effect on the current Gal elections or make the Empire take notice of the power of certian groups of pod pilots... To be blunt - CCP's track record for following up on requests for information like this is rather tainted. I always try to be optimistic, but after over two years... sigh I can see it now: "BoB has secured the Fountian region." ...and the next email in says, "FA continues to fight off the BoB invaders and hold thier ground!" What happens when you get something like that? Just report nothing or meld them somehow? How about a bit of assurance that we aren't wasting our time this time out? What is the overall goal of this? How do you intend to prioritize what is "newsworthy" and what is not? How do you intend to decide what alliances are worthy of mention? What means do you intend to use to verify the 'facts' claimed by any alliance submitting a report? Don't get me wrong - I love the idea! It's just that I think the lack of action on CCP's part prior to this has burned a lot of people's desire to participate. What say you, Zapatero? - We're outnumbered! That simplifies the problem!

Zhuge Liang	Posted - 2005.08.04 09:35:00 - [7] Stickied. ZhuuÀgheyÀleeÀang \| History

LoxyRider	Posted - 2005.08.04 09:45:00 - [8] What Seleene said tbh... "The Facts" in this game are mainly based from your position. Bob in fountain is a good example as mentioned above, you will get two views from two sides that simply wont match up. In every case either one side will be lying, one side exaggerating, one side just not knowing all the information etc... Having CCP put information like that on the site im sure would already upset half of those people. Having it printed would be far worse. I would like to see it happen in E-ON but frankly im not sure it would be a good move. ----- Eris Discordia; I think the proper term is <3
SirMolle	Posted - 2005.08.04 09:46:00 - [9] CCP endorsed, yes please, ONLY way to keep things like things neutral however is to get a CCP EMPLOYEE to do it, and, not via submitting reports, but to actually follow up events. It was tried once, and, shot down by whining players that called for bias. CCP endorsed, neutral, and totally without bias, reporting news, small and big, in a format of your choice, yes, very much needed. Not fiction mind you, but PLAYER MADE history events, be in small or large, would lift this game to higher levels. Volunteer, no, dedicate 5-10 hours / week for a CCP employee to report non-biased and you have what's needed.
Kcel Chim	Posted - 2005.08.04 12:14:00 - [10] Im happy you have this idea and ill be looking foward to see how you realize it. However seeing the problems the "official mapmaker" had in the past i see alot of trouble ahead whenever your neutrality comes into play and when u have to report something which might be disputed. Without an ingame killboard it will be unpredictable or impossible to give an accurate "how the war between x and y is going" report especially if you only can support it by official press releases. Alot of the current conflicts have shown that a party will not admit defeat and rather stick to their story, claims and territory. I foresee big problems once you try to bring that into your newsflash as your objectivity and your neutrality will be on the line again. Leading either way to angry customers if you make a decision for one side over the other (even if its supported by facts or ingame observations). In addition you have a big project ahead, there is litterally 100s of news flowing around each alliance every day of a conflict. Who defects, who had a decisive victory, how are naps going etc etc. In the end the question remains if this kind of information will be offered to you, who wants to show all his cards?
Mark A	Posted - 2005.08.04 13:45:00 - [11] Sounds like a good idea to me. I don't think the issues of accuracy, bias etc. are any more difficult than any other form of journalism, and indeed EVE is rather more verifiable than RL, especially for the devs. At least it will be interesting, one way or the other. I don't know about anyone else, but I pay little to no attention to the RP "news" items, as what fictional NPC characters are up to, which rarely-to-never affects the actual gameplay, is of no interest to me. Big waste of time really. Real news about real alliances sounds like a step in the right direction IMHO (and/or make the RP storylines actually matter ofc). ____________________________________ Killmail wh÷re.

Zapatero	Posted - 2005.08.04 13:53:00 - [12] If you don't want to participate you don't have to, but to then whine that the reports are biased, well that's tough. Similarly, if you donÆt want to report that you have Dreads in production, thatÆs fine too. If you are releasing news then you donÆt want to compromise your security, but then again, your enemies may think twice. Up to you. Seleene, youÆre right to be sceptical. I realise that this may be a lot of work, too much perhaps, but IÆd like to give it a try at least. Originally by: Seleene I can see it now: "BoB has secured the Fountain region." ...and the next email in says, "FA continues to fight off the BoB invaders and hold their ground!" What happens when you get something like that? Just report nothing or meld them somehow? Good question. First IÆd make some simple checks. If after the reports are received battles are still raging in the area, then a report might read: ôAlthough FA maintains it is holding the invaders at bay, an official statement from BoB is making strident claims that the Fountain region is secure in their hands. Eyewitness reports suggest the region is as heavily contested as ever and should be avoided by neutral parties if possibleà blah blah blah.ö Source conflicts are inevitable in news reporting. Originally by: Seleene How about a bit of assurance that we aren't wasting our time this time out? What is the overall goal of this? How do you intend to prioritize what is "newsworthy" and what is not? How do you intend to decide what alliances are worthy of mention? What means do you intend to use to verify the 'facts' claimed by any alliance submitting a report? I canÆt give you any reassurances, as I say, it might not work out. The goal is to provide a permanent ongoing record what is going on in EVE û the big picture, if you will. I know I am impartial, you may think otherwise. As to what is newsworthy, I will decide that. The above FA vs BoB example probably wouldnÆt be used as nothing has actually happened beyond the fact that the war continues. If it were a slow news day, perhaps I would include it, but if news is that sluggish, given that EON is a quarterly publication, it probably wouldnÆt be worth doing alliance news at all. Like I say, IÆm just feeling for how this might or might not work. My greatest concerns are the quaterly publication dates and the issue of verifying reports - the former rather than the latter. As I say, this idea may be doomed to fail, which is why I appreciate all your views and welcome more of you to add your own. Thanks Z

Seleene	Posted - 2005.08.04 14:02:00 - [13] Zapatero, thank you for the well thought out reply. I'll put something together for my guys from time to time and send it your way. It's obvious that some "events" will warrant more attention than others. It's also true that not everyone will be pleased. I don't envy the task before you but I'm willing to give it a shot. - We're outnumbered! That simplifies the problem!
Death Merchant	Posted - 2005.08.04 17:56:00 - [14] Add another 10 cents to monthly subscriptions to pay someone to do this. Matter of fact .make it 30 cents..pay 3 people.. If one person reports news a certain way, its bias, 2 people..its a conspiracy, 3 people its the ****ing truth :) Git R Done!!!! DM
Xrak	Posted - 2005.08.04 18:45:00 - [15] Originally by: Zapatero snip GL you will need it, but I really do hope it works out.
Grondal	Posted - 2005.08.04 19:02:00 - [16] I think alliance press releases are way to many and change way too often to be published in a magazine that comes out 4 times a year. Just look at the map updates, Joshua has been updating it more often than weekly on the avarage to insert new changes. ___________________________ a time to be so small
Count TaSessine	Posted - 2005.08.05 09:11:00 - [17] We will submit a PR-brief to you. Great idea ! Chairman, ISS
Kaeten	Posted - 2005.08.05 12:34:00 - [18] Great Idea!!!!1
Discorporation	Posted - 2005.08.05 13:24:00 - [19] If you do this correctly, you'll be loved. CCP endorsed alliance news wins. [Come to Daddy]
Saladin	Posted - 2005.08.05 18:39:00 - [20] I really don't see how this can be done 'right'. This forum section is probably where moderators spend most of their time chasing flames and out of game insults. I don't see how a section of this on the new magazine will be equally as problematic. Is this just another platform for alliances be able to make claims/lies without response? I agree with Discorporation that if done 'right' it would be awesome ----
Marichek	Posted - 2005.08.06 22:39:00 - [21] Good idea, but you could just get off your butts and use the only things that your logs show, i.e. ship kills, to make a grand assessment of who's losing what and where. Another thing that would help is to update the alliance page more than once a month to effectively monitor how the actual alliances are doing. Wouldnt it be cool to have a news story that says "Fountain Alliance puts up a fight in YZ, killing XXX hostile BS, XXX HACs and losing XXX BS, XXX HACs." Followed by a story that says "Fountain alliance in trouble - Over the past two weeks membership has declined by XXX corps and XXX total pilots". In short, WE have driven the game for so long that its time for CCP to catch up and use their own resources to make an actual fact-driven assessment on how things are going. Chowdown: Its going to be embarrasing being called Fountain Alliance and not living in Fountain.
Ithildin	Posted - 2005.08.06 22:52:00 - [22] Looking through your original post and what you ask for, 80% of the requested information can be found on these (or the RP forums). This include, but is not limited to, war declarations, war surrenders, area beseigements, organisation reorganisation, and much more. If you plan on making a continuous effort to stay abreast with the EVE player politics you mustn't only ask for information, but actually use the tools CCP provided for you. Yes, pun intended. -- http://mc.stylii.com/sigs/Ithildin/Ye-Shadows.png Prototype sig
Ticondrius	Posted - 2005.08.09 00:09:00 - [23] Originally by: Zapatero I realise that this may be a lot of work, too much perhaps, but IÆd like to give it a try at least. You have NO idea.... "If I'm brutally honest and it offends you, that's not my fault."
Saladin	Posted - 2005.08.09 00:56:00 - [24] There was a service like this before, 'The Scope'. Sadly it was cancelled. Lets hope this news attempt succeeds because 'The Scope' was very entertaining. ----
BOOFER	Posted - 2005.08.10 01:14:00 - [25] I am happy to send cleared information from the Stain Empire, in the hope that this comes to fruition. It would be great to see and certainly hope you know what your'e letting yourself in for Zapatero. Boofer _______________________________________________
Faustus	Posted - 2005.08.10 02:08:00 - [26] the best way to do it I think is to post it like it was a press release. That way you can show it from a neutral third party position. Would require some work from CCP or maybe an alliance new representative. Example: Alliance A clashes with Alliance B. A wins an engagement with 4 losses, B with 10. Alliance A posts a press release claiming a victory during an engagement with B in so and so system. Alliance news rep then contacts alliance B to get thier statement. Then posts as follows. "A recent press release by Alliance A claims a victory during an engagement against B alliance with 11 claimed kills and 4 losses. A refute by alliance B claims losses were negible; and that the invaders were swiftly chased out of alliance B space."
Ku'Gras	Posted - 2005.08.10 13:26:00 - [27] Like already said, no volunteer. If you really are serious about this dedicate some work time from someone in CCP to write this each week. Bias IS good as long as you clearly state what is bias and what is not and additinally let both sides speak. If accepting info from alliances in a conflict make sure both gets approximately same paperspace and it's clearly stated what is unedited information from which alliance and spokespersons. Add a CCP employee who flies around and report what he sees in space (player community are welcome to mail in hints for what he should look out for and where) and ties it together with short interviews of peeps involved? The key is to find the correct person(s) to do this and giving them the resources (time) to do it.
Marichek	Posted - 2005.08.11 03:39:00 - [28] Originally by: Faustus the best way to do it I think is to post it like it was a press release. That way you can show it from a neutral third party position. Would require some work from CCP or maybe an alliance new representative. Example: Alliance A clashes with Alliance B. A wins an engagement with 4 losses, B with 10. Alliance A posts a press release claiming a victory during an engagement with B in so and so system. Alliance news rep then contacts alliance B to get thier statement. Then posts as follows. "A recent press release by Alliance A claims a victory during an engagement against B alliance with 11 claimed kills and 4 losses. A refute by alliance B claims losses were negible; and that the invaders were swiftly chased out of alliance B space." You're basically asking for the normal forum drivel (minus the smack) to be officially posted on the news page. Won't even come close to working. Chowdown: Its going to be embarrasing being called Fountain Alliance and not living in Fountain.
BoBoZoBo	Posted - 2005.08.11 15:37:00 - [29] History is best to be reported AFTER the fact. Let annuncements come as something else. ========================= Minister of Propaganda - Operator 9
Masken	Posted - 2005.08.15 02:33:00 - [30] PIENUTS??? PIEnuts?? anyone PIEnuts?? //mask

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