so does anyone who spends countless hours buying things from buy orders and selling them on sell orders

his technical analysis boils down to station-trading, just with more effort

in other words it's worthless and he's getting the average return from the market he is in

great reading. thanks

one question: "zero sum game". Your description is clear. But why it's name "zero sum game"?

No, I'll share with you this information.
The RL markets are also well manipulated and driven by people who make you and crew look like innocent and harmless puppies.

But exactly like for you, their very act of buying and selling creates "tracks" that can be sniffed and followed.

Therefore, while you sincerely think your market operations tied to your initiative XYZ are a secret that nobody could ever detect, in the mean time I and those like me make money on it. Because you just *cannot* hide your liquidity entering in the market, you can't even have true iceberg orders in EvE.

Also, considering that EvE does not come with short selling, your creating double tops is irrelevant, it's the double bottoms that count. The double tops just scream: "look a big market player started selling so get rid of your own stock".

I do understand your "just make the market" point of view but my time to play EvE is really small and sincerely I am so busy with RL trading on 30-ish markets that doing it in EvE now makes me frown and yawn. So I tend to hang in and chat with some recently 2009 returned friends, dump some random T2 stuff I find in hangars and log off.


I really really hope you have a more open mind than your colleague. Despite his narrow view, what I write on this forum gets done every single day and is teached. There's even an English thread detailing how to do it.

Putting down an unhortodox idea is for people who don't dare to go beyond their comfortable sofa, expecially when there are explicit texts (not mentioning mine) teaching how to do it step by step.

I mean jeeze, how many times have you seen someone blow up 200 oil tankers in the ocean to make oil prices go up.

Aryth, your point is well taken regarding the items that the Cabal did indeed manipulate. In those cases, technicals would indeed be useless.

However, there are 8000+ items in the eve database. Unless you want to claim that there is manipulation behind the movement of each and every item, and that fluctuations are not basic market forces in play, then it's a little disingenuous pooh-poohing the entire methodology based on a small number of exceptions. For any item with even semi-liquid markets, technicals can be quite helpful.

Again, there is no hiding liquidity as we do not hide.

I would say the double tops don't "scream" anything. It literally went poof. So all of this is essentially trying to determine the market some other player is making, and being a step behind every step of the way.

I cannot understand all this fascination with "tracks" and "icebergs" when the moves that matter the most are going to require none of that analysis. I only "trade" in markets maybe 10 hours a month total. Granted, we sit and chit chat on jabber incessantly but I don't consider that trading and it is mostly a passive, when you can activity.

As far as RL markets, no, the things we do you don't see in real markets. Are real markets manipulated, sure, but not the ways we are doing it. Some of the stuff we have done would be crimes against humanity in the name of market manipulation. I mean jeeze, how many times have you seen someone blow up 200 oil tankers in the ocean to make oil prices go up.

..Don't have much to say about your little candy land eve manipulation ploys compared to the real life examples VV gave you?

EVE has few enough people in it playing the meta finance game at all. That is where the all the really fun is.

As far as RL markets, no, the things we do you don't see in real markets. Are real markets manipulated, sure, but not the ways we are doing it. Some of the stuff we have done would be crimes against humanity in the name of market manipulation. I mean jeeze, how many times have you seen someone blow up 200 oil tankers in the ocean to make oil prices go up.

..Too funny. Oh yes Aryth, you mean old Goons commit crimes against humanity that real life market engineers just can't compete with!

You guys are really evil!

Yeah, that isn't possible in RL from a trader perspective. Warlord in war? Maybe, but not a trader.

It's traders (using delivery contracts) that can forcibly keep commodities stocked out of reach to make certain markets cornered and cause the understandable consequences.

Just to give a little idea, those wars in North Africa come from an increase in certain base foods price by 4% or so. Not 40%, just 4. This immediately caused a feeding alimentation shortage, populations started starving while they requests for help were totally ignored by their dictators / "kings" or whatever you want to call those guys who steal billions from their poor nation and fill a Switzerland cyphered account registered to their family.

About trading, diamonds are traded and actually "blood diamonds" are those also used in speculation. They come from war zones, in wars also started / fueled / paid by certain nice companies like De Beers.

I am sad to say that you may apply forceful control and ships explosions but the "main concepts" of screwing up the next guy / population with no possible retaliation are already an invented reality.

Believe me, I wish I was wrong and this was just an EvE feature. Sure an assault rifle sounds less "sci-fi" than a spaceship but it kills just fine.

..On the contrary Aryth, the distinction is that you are trying to save face. How is it possible that VV proved a Goon Economic Cabal Member wrong?!

Sure, you meant all along that the great crimes against humanity that you and your cohorts are doing are so special because you are making the market AND pulling the trigger. Sure.

Your post is the product of a fully confident pilot who overextends and makes a bold claim that he didn't fully think through.

All subsequent posts are that same pilot who is too proud to admit his folly.

Yes, Aryth, save face via semantics.

My Antivirus software alarmed on the 'BabyPips' website that you linked on the first page.

yk

Yes they suffered and repaired a security breach not long ago, this is probably why you get a warning. But for what they have said, it was an attempt at reading the stored cyphered user names and passwords not to put trojans.
Just don't register on the website if you don't trust them to be able and avoid another breach.

Interesting, didn't know that, I wounder exactly what kind of information is really in these records they keep.

The forex markets are a dark world, very similar to the actual market place here in EvE, a ton of very bad brokers with allot of money at stake and lots of user review spam to place.