Besides, while yes, the mislabelling is criminally wrong (who knows what else has been done on the side) a bit of horse wont hurt you.

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Besides, while yes, the mislabelling is criminally wrong (who knows what else has been done on the side) a bit of horse wont hurt you.

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It's only the miss-labelling issue that bothers me. Other than that - Who eats Ikea meatballs anyway?

"Mis-labeling" does qualify for criminal fraud at all International levels.

It's a huge, huge issue and getting larger.

Actually, this is just a few short steps away from "Soylent Green is PEOPLE !"

Which is *why* it disturbs me. In the Pharma industry where I work, if we did something like that, we'd expect a mult-hundred million dollar fine, at the very least. Seems to me the food industry should meet similar scruitiny and punishment - After all, not everyone needs meds, but everyone need to eat.

That is already happening as well.

Saw an article Friday on CNN about the 30% of 'mislabeled' or completely wrong drugs, but can't find the article atm.

This is another effect of Reagan's deregulation of the industries back in the day. What a destructive man he was ultimately.

this is nothing new .. I remember the jokes that went around regarding McDonalds and Shergar ...

I'm pretty sure Big Macs are made out of people from Ireland

It's only the miss-labelling issue that bothers me. Other than that - Who eats Ikea meatballs anyway?

I'm pretty sure Big Macs are made out of people from Ireland

Exactly. One of the easiest foods on Earth to say no to, imo. That goes for any kind of meatball in a jar or can. They all taste the way canned dog food smells.

Looks like the EU is on the warpath, we should be anticipating a re regulation of the industry across the Union and possibly restrictions against imports. I wonder how the US would respond to this

Again, there's nothing wrong with eating horse meat. If you liked IKEA meatballs, keep eating them and STFU. Had this not come out, you would never have known. People are acting like children who eat something and love it, only to find out it's something they thought they didn't like.

Here's a clue: THERE IS HORSE MEAT IN ALMOST *EVERYTHING* THAT'S NOT FRESH MEAT. If you buy frozen meat and expect it to be top quality, you're an idiot who knows nothing about food. It's hilarious that people have no problem with hot dogs. yet horse meat crosses the line for some reason.

Just eat dog food and get it over with, since everyone who's wigging out over this obviously has no clue what good food is.

There are drugs in horses that are dangerous to humans.

What is hard to understand about that ?

Looks like the EU is on the warpath, we should be anticipating a re regulation of the industry across the Union and possibly restrictions against imports. I wonder how the US would respond to this

With all the horse meat in EU, one of the things I have not seen is the question of: Where did the horses come from?

God only knows. Here is a map of the distribution pattern of food in EU:

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2013/02/horse%20graphic%202.jpg

Truly hair-raising. Plenty of room to 'hide things'.

edit: This is obviously a criminally minded, continental (beyond even national) duping setup created deliberately by nefarious elements within that industry.

Also, cannot find the equivalent info for USA.

There's a reason why people shout "Buy Local!"

* Pressure such as : Low margin business can't face the costs of missing a shipment, or maybe his boss is screaming at him for better numbers, or maybe he's got a mistress who needs support - Or maybe his kids need braces.

There are drugs in horses that are dangerous to humans.

What is hard to understand about that ?

Modification: There may be drugs in horse meat which are harmful to humans. Mislabeled meat means you can't know what quality of horse meat is involved. And that is a serious issue. Astenion, can you accurately and with documentation assert that I am wrong? If no, then STFU until such time as that changes.

And AGAIN, if you're buying mass-produced, frozen meat expecting there not to be ashes, drugs, and dead carcasses from various animals in the meat, you're an idiot. This whole debate is likened to eating out of a cesspool and then complaining that you found horse meat in it. The problem isn't the horse meat, it's everything else.

As I understand it, a large portion of the Horsemeat may be imported from the US, where they are raised under US law which requires they be treated as pets and have the appropriate vaccinations and drugs which contaminate the flesh for the Human food chain. This is the fear in Continental Europe where its considered a mislabelling with funny Brits off their rocker with eating their pets (its like an American finding out he's eating a Dog, lets just call it a cultural difference and leave it at that).

AS I understand it there is already heavy restrictions on foodstuffs being imported from the US because of potential GM contamination and (as elaborated in shows like Boston Legal better than I can articulate) and not testing for Mad Cow disease. If US firms are found to be a part of this then we could see a major spat at the WTO, the EU demanding minimum inspection standards or a ban on food imports from its trading partners, which would be over and above standards the Democrats would propose. The EU can't grow all its food "local" but it sure as hell can feed itself at a cost that the population is willing to pay for, and the new wave of vegetarianism going on because of this....

Horse meat is the least of your worries when it comes to mass-produced meat. Stop eating crappy, mass-produced garbage and you won't have to worry about anything is all I'm saying. Just look at what it was found in: Findus frozen "lasagne", IKEA frozen meatballs, Burger King....see the pattern? If you have a diet of crappy food, then you're going to ingest crap. There are just as many if not more drugs in all other types of meat as there are in horse.

You sound as if this is should be considered OK or something and not offering any solution.

And denigrating the general public for trusting the meat companies...OF WHICH THEY HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE BUT TO DO.

I'm starting to smell TROLL.

So, do you know how many people can afford an utterly guaranteed organic unadulterated T-Bone steak every day ?

Worldwide, not that many.

Get off your high horse (pun intended).

...Stuff...

What "utterly organic, unadulterated T-Bone steak" are you talking about? Organic? WTF does organic have to do with knowing where your meat comes from, and who eats steak every day? I'm talking all types of meat, not just beef. Know where your ground beef comes from, your sausage, your steak, your pork roast, your pork chops, your pork ribs, etc. You should never, ever buy any type of meat with a company label on it. Meat should be fresh. If you're eating mass-produced meat, you get what you pay for.

See, this is the problem in the US: you think it's either mass-produced or some hippie organic crap and that's your only choice. Go to a butcher shop and ask questions and find out for yourself. Take an interest in what you're putting in your body and make an informed, well-rounded decision, not some knee-jerk reaction to horse meat based on what someone linked you on Facebook.

.....or just plain GREED with no underlying reason.

As I understand it, a large portion of the Horsemeat may be imported from the US, where they are raised under US law which requires they be treated as pets and have the appropriate vaccinations and drugs which contaminate the flesh for the Human food chain. This is the fear in Continental Europe where its considered a mislabelling with funny Brits off their rocker with eating their pets (its like an American finding out he's eating a Dog, lets just call it a cultural difference and leave it at that).

AS I understand it there is already heavy restrictions on foodstuffs being imported from the US because of potential GM contamination and (as elaborated in shows like Boston Legal better than I can articulate) and not testing for Mad Cow disease. If US firms are found to be a part of this then we could see a major spat at the WTO, the EU demanding minimum inspection standards or a ban on food imports from its trading partners, which would be over and above standards the Democrats would propose. The EU can't grow all its food "local" but it sure as hell can feed itself at a cost that the population is willing to pay for, and the new wave of vegetarianism going on because of this....

In short, you've got no idea how to deal with the specific problem as discussed, and you want us to ignore it.

Alright.

Full of troll (especially the Facebook thing which implies really psychic abilities on your part as I 'quit' it 2 years ago).


And...................BLOCKED.

Wow. Just wow. The solution is, as I've stated umpteen times: STOP EATING CRAPPY, MASS-PRODUCED MEAT.

THERE IS A CHOICE! KNOW WHERE YOUR MEAT COMES FROM! Even other people here have already stated that you should buy local when it comes to meat. Why are you buying processed, frozen meat? GO TO YOUR LOCAL BUTCHER AND ASK QUESTIONS! Where is the disconnect here?

Why does the general public have "no choice but to trust the meat companies"? There's your problem right there: MEAT COMPANIES. You answered your own question.

You have some quaint ideas about the treatment of horses in the US.

Also: Very little US horsemeat goes to Europe - Our racetrack drugs make it highly undesireable. Mostly, Mexico. Some to Canada. And it usually comes right back in the form of pet food.

Troll confirmed.
The simple, bad fact is that most folks do not, indeed, have that choice that you assert they have. *I* can buy local - Because I live in an agricultural region. It's expensive, but I can do it. But where, tell me, are the inhabitants of, say, New York City, or perhaps, London, going to go to find their vast herds of happy meat? No bloody where, that's where. They're going to have it brought to them by meat packing companies, because there is no other way that will work economically.

STFU until you can come up with something that is not pointless and useless.

AS I understand it there is already heavy restrictions on foodstuffs being imported from the US because of potential GM contamination and (as elaborated in shows like Boston Legal better than I can articulate) and not testing for Mad Cow disease. If US firms are found to be a part of this then we could see a major spat at the WTO, the EU demanding minimum inspection standards or a ban on food imports from its trading partners, which would be over and above standards the Democrats would propose. The EU can't grow all its food "local" but it sure as hell can feed itself at a cost that the population is willing to pay for, and the new wave of vegetarianism going on because of this....

Most people around the world cannot even begin to afford the cost of any kind of 'real, unadultrated, local, never touched by a corporation' meat at all.

I make a descent living and even I can't afford it. Could not even begin to do that.

Not that I'm a socialist, but there were regulatory agencies out there put in place by governments to make sure these things do not happen. Obviously there has developed a disconnect and obvious flaws in regular monitoring have occurred and over time developed to an obvious crisis point.

People depend on their governments and their agencies to make sure this does not happen, but the truth is being revealed.

And absolutely any other point aside, the now discovered nefarious practices still falls firmly in the realm of false advertising, fraud, and endangerment to human life.

All that needs to happen is a complete overhaul of the industry and it's monitoring agencies. That's really not that hard or difficult to achieve.

Yet troll-face up there is trying to say, screw it all. Spend a fortune on your meat.......and I guess let the poor continue to suffer eating mislabeled harmful garbage....and really do nothing. He offers no real solutions, except to show us the extent of a truly elitist worldview.

So there are no local butcher shops in NYC? Are you high?

And where the hell do you think they get their meat? From a meat packing company! Dur...

Many folks - maybe most - can't afford that kind of a hit on their food buget, anyway. So, they should, by force of lower income, be forced to eat susbstandard food? Seems to me that's the consequences of your willfully ignorant attitude. Perhaps you'll suggest next that they should eat cake, if bread is to pricy?

Maybe you'd like to introduce a Modest Proposal?

And where the hell do you think they get their meat? From a meat packing company! Dur...

Many folks - maybe most - can't afford that kind of a hit on their food buget, anyway. So, they should, by force of lower income, be forced to eat susbstandard food? Seems to me that's the consequences of your willfully ignorant attitude. Perhaps you'll suggest next that they should eat cake, if bread is to pricy?

Maybe you'd like to introduce a Modest Proposal?

With all the horse meat in EU, one of the things I have not seen is the question of: Where did the horses come from? Are there some huge horse farms perhaps in Poland? And if EU raises so many horses, what are they for? We barely use horses these days, we don't use them for transportation, we don't use them for farm work, we don't use them for industrial work. Why is EU has such a glut of horses, enough to sell them to meat packers whole sale, year after year?

From our local horse farmers:

"A steak of vale is worth 17 eur/kg, and our foal steaks sell for 22 eur/kg. Do you think someone would seriously use horse meat instead of cow?"

Think it's beef?

You might be EATING ASS.

Horse meat scandal expands. No meat found in Iceland beef pies.

http://www.icelandreview.com/icelandreview/daily_news/No_Meat_in_Icelandic_Beef_Pies_0_398183.news.aspx

How do I pronounce the name of that company?

IKEA?

That would be "eye-key-A"

Ikea does food now?

exactly what i was thinking...lol

i was like...don't they make furniture?

Yeah, I have a really nice Metal and glass corner desk from them.


Maybe I should check it for horsemeat....

The table looks like an iron maiden now

Horse meat scandal expands. No meat found in Iceland beef pies.

http://www.icelandreview.com/icelandreview/daily_news/No_Meat_in_Icelandic_Beef_Pies_0_398183.news.aspx

Meat does not equal beef. Your title is misleading...you had me thinking there was no meat in meat pies, when in fact there's simply no BEEF.

You can look at this crap and tell if it's real beef or not. I don't see it as a scandal, but more as misrepresentation. I'm not going to eat meat that contains only 30% beef unless the other 70% is made up of another type of real, genuine meat. It could be lamb, horse, pork, chicken, whatever. What worries me is all the other garbage they put in these things. It seems that this product is only guilty of exaggerating the amount of beef in it.

If all food products were correctly labelled with ALL the different individual ingredients people would no longer buy sausages, faggots, haggis, corned beef, luncheon meat, fish balls, chicken nuggets, kievs, doner kebabs, minced meat....the list is endless.