I agree, it did seem rather marginal. Perhaps a 5% tax on high-sec transactions would be more "incentive"?

Get out.

I would agree the tax could be raised to 2%-3.5%, but now your pushing it with 5%. Don't **** with my margins.

Gee, that feels a lot more balanced, doesn't it?

Taxes, production, etc etc is all pointless if someone feels that all the "work" they just sunk into producing those goods is now gone because their goods are in a pirates hull and your corpse is a meat-popsicle in space.

Undoubtedly, but at an increased cost. This cost has to overcome whatever change is made in high/low/null and I doubt you can do that with the nature of this game. I for one would be happy as hell to operate out of a lowsec as long as their was incentive, but the problem isn't as cut and dry as raise taxes etc. Individuals have different motivations, if I just spent time aquiring resources, to build 100 widgets to make a 45% profit selling said widgets but I lose them all to a Gate camp, id just pay the taxes in highsec or give up entirely.

PVP'rs aren't the problem greifers are the problem, they want to destroy it just cause they can not because they achieve anything from the pirating of your goods :)

I see what your saying, and I would say, great. That's fine. But if someone does want to take that risk, there should be a reason to do so. ATM there is little to no incentive.

The other point I made was to place a tax on the buyer too. If you can change people buying habits, eventually the retailers will move. It isn't something that will just happen after a patch. It may take months but eventually you would start seeing small hubs. Sellers might even hire gangs to help keep the hubs safe. I stress the might there though.

The change I'd like to see wouldn't cripple hi-sec, but just people reasons not to be there. I was a Hi-seccer for best part of 4 years maybe. The only time I went into low sec was for a reason, to roam. The only way to help low and high is to give people a reason to go there.

Balancing costs to profits is what being a real trader is all about. Not +/- 1 buy orders.

And honestly your one of the smarter arguments that Ive seen. In a perfect world it would work that systems were protected by locally hired gangs and the cost of moving into those new trading hubs would be relatively stable, not concord/empire stable but stable enough to justify the cost.

To be honest, and im putting on my flame suit here cause I know its coming, I don't see any of this mattering when someone can sit AFK and just mine/acquire more resources in an asteroid belt on an alt character while having a blast on their main. If you can AFK and still be productive then its no longer a time factor and you really won't care.

The notion that industrialists and Pirates / PVPers won't work together is dumb.

They constantly use each other. The reason you don't believe it happens is because Pirates want targets and they're not working with "you" when they shoot you.

You're just clueless about how a lot of the actual low-null industry "works" behind closed doors.

Some "Pirates" want an image of being intimidating to keep people away. Meanwhile, they're building billions of ISK of industry while you're cluelessly fighting over Jita margins.

If this is the case then localized markets outside of highsec are already with their own benefits and it's a closed door system with no room for unaffiliated individuals to move in anyways. It's really yet another barrier that needs to be overcome and further devalues that 1% difference which is already of questionable worth to begin with.

Your logic is sound which is why the bears will start throwing insults your way. Prepare your anus.

Big words, little meaning.

Obviously the markets are being used. Closed doors doens't mean that the markets aren't being used. It just means that the ISK flows through other arrangements to hit the market than just the mash of ISK flowing through Jita that drives the economy out there.

Ok, let me put it another way. Your 1% isn't enough to make expanding those markets or opening new ones worthwhile. And the fact that there are relationships in play means more resistance to newcomers. The incentive is still too low.

Perhaps make it so high sec is only high sec if you are in an NPC corp, or if you are in a player corp paying the appropriate tax for concord protection.

Player corp concord tax could be 5% for each system security level so...

1.0 protection - 5% tax
0.9 protection - 10% tax
0.8 protection - 15% tax
0.7 protection - 20% tax
0.6 protection - 25% tax
0.5 protection - 30% tax

Also if you have a POS up somewhere, you need to pay the tax rate to keep the POS online or concord will hack it and turn it off.

But other corps can still bribe concord to allow war decs.

What "sucks" is that High Sec has many advantages with no penalties.

I would move my manufacturing to low if it was made worth doing.

on the serious note....

i was thinking about this idea about taxes and stuff....

Let's say: me is carebear. I need to buy and fit new carebearmobile. This would be about 300 millions (yes, i'm cheap scrub).

Ok. So we got taxes in high-sec. So i see this ship+fit in low-sec for 300 millions. And in high-sec for 400-500 (yes, we speak about 60-70% of difference).
So i got to choose: 300 in lowsec or 500 in highsec.

Let's say i've chosen low-sec. Ok. i'm no so stupid so i got succesfully into station 1-2 jumps throught low-sec. I bought ship + fit and got it together. Now i need to get back to my cave (high-sec).

Everyone always keeps talking about how CCP needs to nerf high sec to get the bears to move out to low or null. The problem is that it isn't going to work. They will just stay in high sec b/c of a variety of reasons. How about instead of bringing low/null to high sec, why doesn't CCP bring some more of high sec to low? For example, no Titan bridging into low sec, much more DPS from station/gate guns, etc. We saw a variation of CCP do this with the venture, but I do not know the results of their efforts to bring more miners into low. However, I personally could care less if the carebears stay in high sec. What advantage is it for everyone else that they do move out null/low anyways? I did it for the income/excitement, but those were personal gains. It seems like it is the PVPers calling for more targets to shoot at?

If low sec doesn't suck anymore, then why does it need a buff?