SO I have to sit in a low sec station to install my region wise buy orders and have an alt collect em? Same safety for me once I am there, and Jump clones are gonna be my best friend then :)

Greedy eyes.

Why not just move highsec to its own shard and leave low and nullsec as a hardcore PvP server?

At least then people will no longer feel compelled to post the same **** over and over again while the same people have over pages and pages the same old arguments with nothing constructive ever coming out of it.

This idiot puppet theater is playing for years now. I am getting tired of it.

It. Does. Nothing.

That'd be fine with me.

But it's not happening, so drop the Straw Mans and discuss the topic that is actually at hand.

Why not just move highsec to its own shard and leave low and nullsec as a hardcore PvP server?

At least then people will no longer feel compelled to post the same **** over and over again while the same people have over pages and pages the same old arguments with nothing constructive ever coming out of it.

This idiot puppet theater is playing for years now. I am getting tired of it.

It. Does. Nothing.

Nerfing highsec does not make lowsec a better place. Only when lowsec (and nullsec) become viable on their own terms, balancing them with highsec becomes feasible. Until then, it's just a squabbling over which piece of **** gets to be on the top of the pile.

Nerfing highsec does not make lowsec a better place. Only when lowsec (and nullsec) become viable on their own terms, balancing them with highsec becomes feasible. Until then, it's just a squabbling over which piece of **** gets to be on the top of the pile.

It must be a nerf because simply buffing isk income from null and low sec areas leads to runaway inflation which is very bad for the game.

And without a concept of what to buff and how much ISK gets created, the nerf of highsec becomes pointless.

First, agree on how low and null sec gets buffed, then evaluate the effect on inflation and then nerf inflation as appropriate. All this partisanship makes people forget (or ignore) the big picture. Us versus them has no place in good game design.

Why not just move highsec to its own shard and leave low and nullsec as a hardcore PvP server?

At least then people will no longer feel compelled to post the same **** over and over again while the same people have over pages and pages the same old arguments with nothing constructive ever coming out of it.

This idiot puppet theater is playing for years now. I am getting tired of it.

It. Does. Nothing.

SO I have to sit in a low sec station to install my region wise buy orders and have an alt collect em? Same safety for me once I am there, and Jump clones are gonna be my best friend then :)

What "sucks" is that High Sec has many advantages with no penalties.

Raising taxes to, let's say, 2% is hardly breaking high sec. The Accounting Skill and Corporate standings can lower the taxes back down to 1% very easily. You're basically getting a .5% increase to taxes really for professional traders. Does it add up though? Yes.

There has to be a perception of COST for high sec. And there is no "COST" to living in high sec.

This is hardly a nerf, this is a rebalancing.

If you don't see the difference, let's put it this way.

ADVANTAGES
On the one side you have High Sec :
CONCORD protection, Gate Guns, Easy MIssions, Easy Incursions, Easy Trading, Easy hauling, stress free.

COSTS : ... 1% taxes?

On the other side you have Low Sec :
Gate guns, Ability to shoot who you want when you want.

COSTS : Your Ship, Your time, your safety, 1% taxes


Let's see. Quick rebalance...

High Sec COSTS : 2% tax rate.

Gee, that feels a lot more balanced, doesn't it?

High security offers a wide variety of "advantages" and perks over Low Security. CONCORD, safer travel, no infrastructure burdens, etc. How do the Empires "pay" for this, in theory? Taxes. Then why is Low Sec, who gets a lot less infrastructure "advantages" pay the same taxes as high sec?

Either lower Low Sec Taxes, or preferably raise High Sec station taxes.

The market will feel the taxes (even a moderate doubling from 1% to 2%) will reduce inflation due to High Sec trading velocity, and it will promote the advantage of low security trade hubs even further. More dangerous? Sure? More valuable to struggle over? Yes. Low Sec = slightly improved.

We pay a very high tax for the safety of our current western world, as high as 20-30% of our income, on top of sales taxes, etc. Yet in EVE High Seccers barely pay even 1% on their taxes to do the same? Seems ridiculous.

Will it break the High Sec market? No way. It will just make all those greedy traders sit and look, "Man, if only we could have that space over there..." Greedy eyes.

And without a concept of what to buff and how much ISK gets created, the nerf of highsec becomes pointless.

First, agree on how low and null sec gets buffed, then evaluate the effect on inflation and then nerf inflation as appropriate. All this partisanship makes people forget (or ignore) the big picture. Us versus them has no place in good game design.

*sigh* Do you read basic economic theory?

Pop quiz: What did President Ronald Regan do to combat inflation in the early 1980's? (You know that historical high inflation left over from the Carter administration.)

He certainly as hell did not raise taxes.

He in fact cut taxes to historic lows (that and the fed raised interest rates to historic highs).

Why does cutting taxes help inflation?

I tell you why... Because taxes raise prices and depress wages.

The reason for this is that when in the real world producer sells a good and then a tax on the good is placed on that product by government, the producer does not sell that product cheaper than the original price. In fact they raise the price to pay for the tax to pass on the cost of the tax to the consumer. This is what ever real world company does with the taxes the government puts on them and the same thing would happen in EVE.

This is basic economics 101 and I don't even support Regan and his policies but I will admit the policy worked (gave us a deficit though).

Lastly, I said in other threads that moving any hubs to low or null will not happen simply because people like to sell their wares and shop in safety. I mean what would be your profit margin if everytime you went to the trading hub, you lost your ship and cargo?

I'd say your wallet would look pretty empty.

High security offers a wide variety of "advantages" and perks over Low Security. CONCORD, safer travel, no infrastructure burdens, etc. How do the Empires "pay" for this, in theory? Taxes. Then why is Low Sec, who gets a lot less infrastructure "advantages" pay the same taxes as high sec?

Either lower Low Sec Taxes, or preferably raise High Sec station taxes.

The market will feel the taxes (even a moderate doubling from 1% to 2%) will reduce inflation due to High Sec trading velocity, and it will promote the advantage of low security trade hubs even further. More dangerous? Sure? More valuable to struggle over? Yes. Low Sec = slightly improved.

We pay a very high tax for the safety of our current western world, as high as 20-30% of our income, on top of sales taxes, etc. Yet in EVE High Seccers barely pay even 1% on their taxes to do the same? Seems ridiculous.

Will it break the High Sec market? No way. It will just make all those greedy traders sit and look, "Man, if only we could have that space over there..." Greedy eyes.

The difference is, that's real life, and this is a game. There are similarities, but specifically for the purposes of taxes, not strong ones.

Inflation, in general, is caused by too much liquid ISK floating round the game. The faucets not being balanced by the sinks. This is increasing the sinks, to reduce the ISK in game. Reduce the ISK in game, and prices /will/ fall.

Also you could argue the reason ships and modules are so expensive is not because of isk faucets but rather there is not enough ore to go around. You could solve the same problem by increasing the amount miners and the avaibilty of hi sec roids (who would want to do that though).

@Reaganite theorist

The difference is that real life tax money gets fed back into the system. Eve NPC taxes disappear into nothing, reducing the money supply.

Bringing in even more ore will simply mean miner income will suck even harder.