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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.08.09 09:27:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 09/08/2005 09:28:24
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr I seek my little "funny" comment was as well received as Drax'.
I rest my case :)
What "case"?? Waagaa, I think the point here was that you have said to myself and other MC members on several occasions how lame posting the full text of kill mails is. You are also now defending the very thing (CLS's kill board) that you rolled your eyes at in the past. -
We're outnumbered! That simplifies the problem! |
Eleese
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Posted - 2005.08.09 09:30:00 -
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Think he was just making a joke but oh well so was drax but some people didnt read that as a joke either. |
Waagaa Ktlehr
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Posted - 2005.08.09 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 09/08/2005 09:28:24
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr I seek my little "funny" comment was as well received as Drax'.
I rest my case :)
What "case"?? Waagaa, I think the point here was that you have said to myself and other MC members on several occasions how lame posting the full text of kill mails is. You are also now defending the very thing (CLS's kill board) that you rolled your eyes at in the past.
I think it has to do with the classic saying..
In Dutch it would be: "Wat gij niet wilt wat U geschied, doet dat ook een ander niet"
Which probably has an equal saying in other languages, but a direct translation would be: Don't do onto others which you don't want done to you (or something like that).
Neither the MC nor the CLS killboard "shows" how "well" ASCN is doing. The MC killboard shows ships killed by the MC vs their contract targets and 99.9999999999999999999% of their losses. The CLS killboard shows kills by CLS PvPers that care about getting their bounties paid out (given that someone actually bothers to submit the killmails).
Drax' comment "According to your killboard you're doing fine" actually had a lot of truth in it. We're doing fine at the moment. :) Money is being made, projects are running and we have plenty of freedom to move around in our own space. Ofcourse this is again my perspective, I haven't been further than Esa and Agil since I joined back up with CLS.
I wasn't even going to bother with contacting you about that certain kill, I really don't give a (insert random profanity) about you killratio. I know how the MC works and I know why it works, I also know how little REAL effect on a corporation the MC can have. I just couldn't let Drax' insinuating comment slide. ------------------------------------------ I am a love machine, feeding my fantasy, give me a kiss or three, have fun! |
Draximus Cane
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Posted - 2005.08.09 10:26:00 -
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I have another saying for you.....
"A leopard will never change its spots"
Sorry I can't be bothered to find a translation to dutch.
I'm done with this thread.
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MAXsu1c1de
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Posted - 2005.08.09 10:50:00 -
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I think ASCN does aswell as I do in all my fights in the GREAT crusade tbfh
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2005.08.09 10:54:00 -
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Edited by: MAXSuicide on 09/08/2005 10:54:12 leave me alone siim :( u know trying to impersonate another player can get u banned?
My vids and random stuff
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2005.08.09 13:13:00 -
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Sorry but this has to be posted:
waagaa you really have "turned" into, and i use that lightly as you always have been, an arrogant arse.
You know the isk damage inflicted on our targets is only part of the equation. The lost time mining + mission running in empire. The lost time you guys suffer building ur POS and sucking up veld for ur outpost in south impass when we roll down with a frig fleet and u send a 70man blob after us (not sure on numbers but it was over 50 at one stage).
It all adds up in the end. You know that, ur just ignoring it because it doesnt suit ur current stance on the situation.
As for the killmail, woohoo someone didnt post within 12 hours. Have a medal, and a cookie
Seriously dude, that chip on ur shoulder is HUGE, its time you got rid of it
(Sorry for flaming but i think you really need to sort ur attitude out m8)
Forums: Sharks * MC |
Julien Derida
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Posted - 2005.08.09 13:19:00 -
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Edited by: Julien Derida on 09/08/2005 13:20:33
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
I know how the MC works and I know why it works, I also know how little REAL effect on a corporation the MC can have.
That seems like a rather baseless statement Waagaa. Past evidence (including the actions of CYVOK and CLS) would seem to suggest the opposite to what you say. Care to provide us with your reasoning? ----------------------------------------
Chief Inspector of the Style Police - FRICK |
Cartiff
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Posted - 2005.08.09 13:24:00 -
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Waagaa, whats happened to you fella
Cartiff, CEO Euphoria Released NBSI 4TW
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Eleese
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Posted - 2005.08.09 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeshadow Sorry but this has to be posted:
waagaa you really have "turned" into, and i use that lightly as you always have been, an arrogant arse.
You know the isk damage inflicted on our targets is only part of the equation. The lost time mining + mission running in empire. The lost time you guys suffer building ur POS and sucking up veld for ur outpost in south impass when we roll down with a frig fleet and u send a 70man blob after us (not sure on numbers but it was over 50 at one stage).
It all adds up in the end. You know that, ur just ignoring it because it doesnt suit ur current stance on the situation.
As for the killmail, woohoo someone didnt post within 12 hours. Have a medal, and a cookie
Seriously dude, that chip on ur shoulder is HUGE, its time you got rid of it
(Sorry for flaming but i think you really need to sort ur attitude out m8)
um the mc as a organisation is very arrogant.. so calling waagaa arrogant whetehr right or wrong is kinda hippocritical (sp). |
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Julien Derida
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Posted - 2005.08.09 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Eleese um the mc as a organisation is very arrogant.. so calling waagaa arrogant whetehr right or wrong is kinda hippocritical (sp).
Not really. It's about degrees of arrogance. Waagaa is/was too arrogant even for us. ----------------------------------------
Chief Inspector of the Style Police - FRICK |
Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2005.08.09 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: Eleese um the mc as a organisation is very arrogant.. so calling waagaa arrogant whetehr right or wrong is kinda hippocritical (sp).
As someone else said to me today:
Theres a fine line between pride and balance and they are often confused
Forums: Sharks * MC |
Eleese
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Posted - 2005.08.09 13:51:00 -
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ok heres some points to think about drax makes a joke at cls kill board... which some cls didnt like.
Waagaa makes a joke about MC killboard... apparently some mc didnt find funny. Yet your all blowing your lid at waagaa... yet drax is equally as bad.
Maybe your missing waagaa's sense of humour but your guys certainly arnt any better on current showings in this thread. |
Coasterbrian
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Posted - 2005.08.09 13:52:00 -
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Awwww, why can't everyone play nice?
/emote huggles everyone.
/emote smacks everyone around a bit with a large trout.
PLAY NICE!
Soft and Crunchy 4tw! \o/ |
Brainyblonde
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Posted - 2005.08.09 13:57:00 -
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Edited by: Brainyblonde on 09/08/2005 13:58:54 This is a chatlog between a GDL member and some ASCN guys in GHZ a few days ago...
NoWeR > everytime u talk u make me laught more NoWeR > lovely posts in forums and grat talk in local, ur funny NGRU Rix > whats grat? NoWeR > great* NGRU Rix > i make you laught? whats that, something sexual? NoWeR > do you think? NGRU Rix > i dont dare to NoWeR > ignorance make me laught NGRU Rix > :o NGRU Rix > anyway, if you find it funny that we've killed about 20 of your ships/pods in pvp combat and you havent even bothered reporting your own deaths to your killboard, your the one that makes me laugh Crohnx > u dreaming boy? NoWeR > our killboard is used to get our pay day, we dont have/need/want to post our kills, look this is ignorance, u talk and dont have a clue Crohnx > 20? Crohnx > 5-7 not 20 Crohnx > and btw no1 gives a **** about all those blown up ships Crohnx > u just give us reason to camp this system even more now NGRU Rix > i have 8 kill mails, super has 1, anst has 7, thats 16 Crohnx > so what NoWeR > woow u leet? and what?? NGRU Rix > cool, and your reason is you get mad by our talk in local? :( poor you
Thats what ASCN think about posting their own deaths, 90% of the time they dont bother.
I must say they are quite fast to post their kills though, which they havent gotten many, i mean ANY lately due to the top pvpers on their killboard farming complex 24/7
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.08.09 13:57:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 09/08/2005 14:01:34
Originally by: Eleese Maybe your missing waagaa's sense of humour but your guys certainly arnt any better on current showings in this thread.
Eleese, it's about more than just that post.
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr I just couldn't let Drax' insinuating comment slide.
Why not, Waagaa? Seriously? The guy was your team mate and brother for months and you take the first oppertunity you can to slam him. Then you turn around and start slamming the MC as a whole. I don't get you anymore, man. You seem like you're just a bottle full of resentment and arrogance, with hardly a kind thing to say to any of your former associates.
For over eight months you had the same idea about the MC as the rest of us. You can deny it all you want but I spent weeks on TS and MSN laughing along with you at arguments like the one you just presented. I spent the better part of a year trusting you on my wing. For a while, you were a big part of BDCI's success.
You know exactly the effect we have on an enemy, much as Eyeshadow described, because you've said the exact same things before! Only now that you're on the other side you are trying to minimize it which makes no damn sense whatsoever. It's the exact opposite of the attitude you held for months!
If you've got an unresolved problem that you need to sort out, I'm an MSN convo away. But please stop with this public display of malice and... whatever.
EDIT - the clarification of your post doesn't change the fact that you've been pretty damn critical of those you flew with for so long at nearly every oppertunity. I contrast this with statements made by Eleese in public which have been fairly neutral and respectful. -
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Waagaa Ktlehr
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Posted - 2005.08.09 13:57:00 -
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Edited by: Waagaa Ktlehr on 09/08/2005 14:00:36
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 09/08/2005 09:28:24
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr I seek my little "funny" comment was as well received as Drax'.
I rest my case :)
What "case"?? Waagaa, I think the point here was that you have said to myself and other MC members on several occasions how lame posting the full text of kill mails is. You are also now defending the very thing (CLS's kill board) that you rolled your eyes at in the past.
I think it has to do with the classic saying..
Here I explain my reasoning behind my attempt at a little sarcasm that wasn't received well:
In Dutch it would be: "Wat gij niet wilt wat U geschied, doet dat ook een ander niet"
Which probably has an equal saying in other languages, but a direct translation would be: Don't do onto others which you don't want done to you (or something like that).
Here I talk about bias, perspective and "validity of information"
Neither the MC nor the CLS killboard "shows" how "well" ASCN is doing. The MC killboard shows ships killed by the MC vs their contract targets and 99.9999999999999999999% of their losses. The CLS killboard shows kills by CLS PvPers that care about getting their bounties paid out (given that someone actually bothers to submit the killmails).
This is a rather cynical / sarcastic paragraph, describing the way perspectives can cloud judgement and should definitely be taken with a few grains of salt. It's illustrative, as the last sentence should say for how perspectives may differ. From my perspective, nothing much has changed 'cept for the few hrs spent blocking MC passage into our space on Saturday and the 1 incursion I've seen
Drax' comment "According to your killboard you're doing fine" actually had a lot of truth in it. We're doing fine at the moment. :) Money is being made, projects are running and we have plenty of freedom to move around in our own space. Ofcourse this is again my perspective, I haven't been further than Esa and Agil since I joined back up with CLS.
The comment on effects and how they CAN (e.g. it is possible that) not be as big as preceived should NOT be read as "the MC doesn't effect us".
I wasn't even going to bother with contacting you about that certain kill, I really don't give a (insert random profanity) about you killratio. I know how the MC works and I know why it works, I also know how little REAL effect on a corporation the MC can have. I just couldn't let Drax' insinuating comment slide.
Added some reasoning behind my text in bold, I hope that clear things up. I guess either people only read certain parts or my not-so-native English doesn't really come over :) Then again, the written word and sarcasm / cynical remarks don't really mix that well.
Arrogant Arse, maybe that's what the MC made me, I know quite a lot of people in the MC that know the word as good as me. ------------------------------------------ I am a love machine, feeding my fantasy, give me a kiss or three, have fun! |
Weebear
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Posted - 2005.08.09 14:04:00 -
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Edited by: Weebear on 09/08/2005 14:04:11
Originally by: Brainyblonde Edited by: Brainyblonde on 09/08/2005 13:58:54 This is a chatlog between a GDL member and some ASCN guys in GHZ a few days ago...
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Thats what ASCN think about posting their own deaths, 90% of the time they dont bother.
I must say they are quite fast to post their kills though, which they havent gotten many, i mean ANY lately due to the top pvpers on their killboard farming complex 24/7
Because they get paid for their kills, but not for their losses? Did you even read the chat log you posted?
CLS Killboards are for claiming bounties. Our members are paid to kill our enemies. Our killboard is not for measuring the size of our e-peen.
You're not a very brainy blonde at all.... |
Cmdr Patrick
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Posted - 2005.08.09 14:08:00 -
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We use to get insurance in xetic for the losses...you guys stopped doing that now? it was kool
Ikvar > This peice of **** is greifing me |
Julien Derida
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Posted - 2005.08.09 14:08:00 -
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Waagaa. I was only talking about your claim that the MC have 'little REAL effect' on a corporation. This is not only a sloppy generalisation, it is also clearly untrue from past evidence. I was asking you to explain the reasoning that led you to make this statement, not the rest of the post. ----------------------------------------
Chief Inspector of the Style Police - FRICK |
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Waagaa Ktlehr
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Posted - 2005.08.09 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene For over eight months you had the same idea about the MC as the rest of us. You can deny it all you want but I spent weeks on TS and MSN laughing along with you at arguments like the one you just presented. I spent the better part of a year trusting you on my wing. For a while, you were a big part of BDCI's success.
I was part of BDCI, I've never felt or really been part of the MC. The MC as it is today, is not the BDCI that I've signed up for. I gave BDCI 100%, I gave the MC maybe 30% of my energy. I think we should let my personal "drama" rest at this point :)
I'm back in CLS, it isn't perfect but it's more "fun" for me than the MC was. I have the deepest respect for most of the pilots in the MC. ------------------------------------------ I am a love machine, feeding my fantasy, give me a kiss or three, have fun! |
Waagaa Ktlehr
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Posted - 2005.08.09 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Julien Derida Waagaa. I was only talking about your claim that the MC have 'little REAL effect' on a corporation. This is not only a sloppy generalisation, it is also clearly untrue from past evidence. I was asking you to explain the reasoning that led you to make this statement, not the rest of the post.
Like I said, from my viewpoint nothing much has changed with the coming of the MC war. Empire players might feel hurt, but 0.0 PvPers really don't see a change in their "lifestyle" and I've really not had trouble doing the little "industrial" things I have to. This is all ofcourse, from my perspective.
The generalisation was meant catch the attention of the reader in the first sentence, to make sure they read the rest of the paragraph. :) ------------------------------------------ I am a love machine, feeding my fantasy, give me a kiss or three, have fun! |
Cartiff
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Posted - 2005.08.09 14:27:00 -
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no one pays me to shoot stuff, i do it for free :)
Cartiff, CEO Euphoria Released NBSI 4TW
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Julien Derida
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Posted - 2005.08.09 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Like I said, from my viewpoint nothing much has changed with the coming of the MC war. Empire players might feel hurt, but 0.0 PvPers really don't see a change in their "lifestyle" and I've really not had trouble doing the little "industrial" things I have to. This is all ofcourse, from my perspective.
The generalisation was meant catch the attention of the reader in the first sentence, to make sure they read the rest of the paragraph. :)
I think you're guilty of glibly overusing the generalisation then Waagaa . Just because you've been able to sit out in deep Feyth doing your thing for the first 2 days of the war, doesn't mean other people aren't hurting . ----------------------------------------
Chief Inspector of the Style Police - FRICK |
Waagaa Ktlehr
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Posted - 2005.08.09 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Julien Derida
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Like I said, from my viewpoint nothing much has changed with the coming of the MC war. Empire players might feel hurt, but 0.0 PvPers really don't see a change in their "lifestyle" and I've really not had trouble doing the little "industrial" things I have to. This is all ofcourse, from my perspective.
The generalisation was meant catch the attention of the reader in the first sentence, to make sure they read the rest of the paragraph. :)
I think you're guilty of glibly overusing the generalisation then Waagaa . Just because you've been able to sit out in deep Feyth doing your thing for the first 2 days of the war, doesn't mean other people aren't hurting .
Hmmm, maybe a bit guilty, although I guess it has had it's effect :P ------------------------------------------ I am a love machine, feeding my fantasy, give me a kiss or three, have fun! |
Bracius
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Posted - 2005.08.09 14:41:00 -
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they do it for free too...
they just don't tell
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2005.08.09 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Draximus Cane
Originally by: Joshua Calvert Looking at that killboard, it looks like we're being bbq'd.
Mind you your own killboard shows your doing just fine
Exactly my point
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Draximus Cane
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Posted - 2005.08.09 17:20:00 -
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Nice one Josh
Thumbs up!
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Hoozin
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Posted - 2005.08.09 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Coasterbrian Awwww, why can't everyone play nice?
/emote huggles everyone.
/emote smacks everyone around a bit with a large trout.
PLAY NICE!
/emote fillets the trout, panfries it, and splits it with Coaster. "Enjoy m8."
As for all this other bickering, can't we all just go get drunk? --------------------------------- Carebears are cooler than you.
Haiku embroidered panties - On sale now at your local sharky outlet. |
Grimpak
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Posted - 2005.08.09 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Brainyblonde I must say they are quite fast to post their kills though, which they havent gotten many, i mean ANY lately due to the top pvpers on their killboard farming complex 24/7
....and it seems that it's working since you guys are starting to whine like hell when you have the chance for it.
all this because we interrupted your endless flow of isk. -------------------
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