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Lerner	Posted - 2005.08.06 05:11:00 - [1] Edited by: Lerner on 06/08/2005 05:25:43 Edited by: Lerner on 06/08/2005 05:24:05 Yup it,s true along time ago before I left the first time. They nerfed the Rail guns. then I thought no biggy Caldari are based on Ew and missiles. Then for some reason or another the scorps speed and cap was reduced.Now I,m thinking what gives? the scorp is a huge support ship constantly using cap to keep the ew going while at the same time trying to keep it,s shields going while the rest of the fleet deals with the onslought the scorp is spose to support. At the time I thought oh well and left the game a month later. I now come back to find out the missiles got nerfed.now I got to thinking about how it says when it comes to technology the Caldari are second to none except the Jove or whatever which is sposetobe a super duper huber race. Does somthing sound screwy here?? I mean a raven would more then likly now get wtfpwned by a arma,Dom or even a scorp!! Yet very few ships can match it,s power and majesty. /me roles eyes at that one Now instead of whining about the missile nerf on how it should be restord I say give us missile guys T2 Missiles. I,ll stay and see what happends with Eve but chances are Shields will prolly be next for the caldari hell it,s the only thing left to nerf.
Ander	Posted - 2005.08.06 05:18:00 - [2] Another missile-nerf complaint thread.. http://www.eve-pirate.com
Shin Ra	Posted - 2005.08.06 05:23:00 - [3] I stand by my argument that burn eden was the reason for those 2 nerfs. Don't hate the devs, hate us. ----------------------------------------- wts all new "burberry" warp core stab II's
Nikko Forte	Posted - 2005.08.06 05:28:00 - [4] Originally by: Shin Ra I stand by my argument that burn eden was the reason for those 2 nerfs. Don't hate the devs, hate us. I hate you because your shoulder is red. -
Del Narveux	Posted - 2005.08.06 05:29:00 - [5] I think its a complaint about nerfs in general and I tend to agree. I am getting rather tired of CCP continually messing around with stuff in a major way. Little things sure, but the really big points should have been set in stone when the game was still under initial development; the way it is now would be sort of like the US government deciding one day that the side of the road you drive on will be switched, like how those silly Brits have it . I like good combat balance and I have no problem trying to make it better but at some point you have to stop and say 'okay, its relatively close and most people are content with it so lets focus on other things like new stuff and entertaining game content.' If players want to keep changing their tactics, then sure, but a lot of people dont and forcing such big changes gives Eve a bit of a beta-esque feel. I dont like the missle nerf, and I think Ive made that clear since they first proposed it so many months ago. But quite frankly I would rather they keep the nerf and have it be the last major such stats-tweak, than keep going back and forth with all sorts of radical game-changing stuff. Same with my issues about t2, I dont like it but I can deal with it as long as they take balance against t1 into account on any future ships they add. _________________ [SAK] And Proud Of It! aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
Lerner	Posted - 2005.08.06 05:30:00 - [6] Actually this post is about the Caldari being nerfed once again. I bet the minute Guns get nerfed the forums would light up like a christmas tree.
Hllaxiu	Posted - 2005.08.06 05:37:00 - [7] Originally by: Lerner I bet the minute Guns get nerfed the forums would light up like a christmas tree. Because this has never happend before. Oh wait... Proud member of Elite Academy.
Noriath	Posted - 2005.08.06 06:09:00 - [8] Caldari are not a race when it comes to their battleships anyways, since their battleships are just two somewhat usefull but not really comperable to anything else novelties... I already said on several occasions that I think the fact that other races don't get EW ships is a major flaw in the Eve universes backstory, because there is simply no freakin' way that if every race builds a freighter as soon as Caldari come up with one, they sit around and act stupid when Caldari come up with the ultimate EW platform, that is possibly the single most unique and usefull supportship in the game, without even trying to cook up anything similar. On the flipside of the same coin there is just no way that the Caldari aren't looking to build a decent gunship... So in light of this I think that when it came to battleships the devs just got kind of lazy and put all the uber-spezialized ones in one race that doesn't get any normal ones in return.
MadGaz	Posted - 2005.08.06 07:54:00 - [9] Raven didn't get nerfed, you just need half a brain to realize it. ------------------------------------------
implanted	Posted - 2005.08.06 10:46:00 - [10] Originally by: MadGaz Raven didn't get nerfed, you just need half a brain to realize it. der..... yes it did.....and badly
Zaldiri	Posted - 2005.08.06 10:52:00 - [11] The raven is still a very powerfull ship... ----------------------------------------------- Admiral of King Frieza's Super Saiyan fleet.
fras	Posted - 2005.08.06 10:54:00 - [12] dont nerf when on ***** sum1 once said
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2005.08.06 10:58:00 - [13] Their hairdo and the modulated foldable lawnchairs on their backs are next. Oh, the hair is already gone, lawnchairs next! [23]
Elektra Storm	Posted - 2005.08.06 11:11:00 - [14] Actually missiles are better now (with skills) then they were befor the patch, but i do think some new missiles need to be added with longer range (faster speed) but less damage, etc. Likewise shorter range with greater damage either that or make damage inversly proportional to flight time. But really its hard to compete with a "gank" turret ship since they have instant hits.
Uggster	Posted - 2005.08.06 11:27:00 - [15] As a caladri and mainly missile user I had to curtail my ratting and PvP'ing as I learnt the new missile skills and worked out what would now be the optimal set-up for me and my skill set. Total time from soloing a 3 Angel BS spawn + 4 30k ceptors pre patch (Torp-o-Matic) to post patch (Cruise, Target painting, drone set up) for me was just under 3 weeks. Not so bad really but the main point of the post is good, changing things in a big way oftain is not going to help anyone. One of the reasons I could buy all the new skills and practice is that I play eve quite a lot, to come back from a 2 week holiday to the cold war patch would have been like playing a new game for caldari pilots. I am personally traverling for a few (4-5 if the bankroll holds up) months soon so I wont be playing while Im gone but I wonder what I'll come back to I do hope it's great new fun systems in Jove-type space, bigger cooler NPC's and a larger player base from which to once again find new friends and pick new enermies (or be picked by them). However I get the feeling it will be either a buntch of Jaded old times still complaining about this nerf, and that poor idea or a totally differant style of play that just wont be the same. Really hope not though, I have had a lot of fun in eve, more than any online game I have played, but if it gets stale.... well....
Ryy Kishin	Posted - 2005.08.06 11:30:00 - [16] Oh look yet another Live Hard Die Young Leave A Good Looking Corpse There are no bugs in Eve only features.
Helmut 314	Posted - 2005.08.06 11:40:00 - [17] I can tell you what the WONT nerf : the ship models. Caldari ships are so ugly that its impossible to make it worse, unless of course they reskin them in pink, mauve and lime green. ___________________________________ Trying is the first step of failure - Homer J Simpson
theRaptor	Posted - 2005.08.06 12:11:00 - [18] Originally by: Hllaxiu Originally by: Lerner I bet the minute Guns get nerfed the forums would light up like a christmas tree. Because this has never happend before. Oh wait... Yes its not like once upon a time there was no such thing as tracking and BS could wtfbbq frigs. Oh and its not like they nerfed all the pulses recently or anything. The problem with missiles is that they will never be good for long range combat compared to guns because guns insta hit. They need to make missiles a secondary weapon system like drones. That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die. -- Ancient "Dirt" Religious figure.
Shin Ra	Posted - 2005.08.06 12:27:00 - [19] There is still currently one problem with trops and that is a trop hitting an arma, tempest or typhoon does less dmg than vs any other bs. This is because of their sig size. I don't think it was intentional tho. ----------------------------------------- wts all new "burberry" warp core stab II's
Shut up	Posted - 2005.08.06 16:21:00 - [20] ** the nerfs! this game and ** CCP!!! I'm done!
Daniel Jackson	Posted - 2005.08.06 16:50:00 - [21] Originally by: Helmut 314 I can tell you what the WONT nerf : the ship models. Caldari ships are so ugly that its impossible to make it worse, unless of course they reskin them in pink, mauve and lime green. bah you are WRONGA the caldari ships are the best looking ships in the game. the amarr ships are the most ugly. Caldari will once again rise above the Gallente and take back Caldari Prime! Image done by Denrace
Psym0n	Posted - 2005.08.06 16:54:00 - [22] Originally by: Lerner I,ll stay and see what happends with Eve but chances are Shields will prolly be next for the caldari hell it,s the only thing left to nerf. Shield extenders HP bonus were increaced by 50% in last patch....... _________________________________ _________________________________
slip66	Posted - 2005.08.06 17:18:00 - [23] Originally by: Ryy Kishin Oh look yet another Wish I had stock in that company ID BE RICH!
Xelios	Posted - 2005.08.06 17:22:00 - [24] Caldari should get tech 2 launchers and damage mods for sure, but beyond that I don't think they were nerfed. Ravens can still be quite deadly, and lots of people have already come up with new fittings to adapt to the missile changes. But you know the Caldari aren't special, EVERY race in EVE has gone through several nerfs along the way, like the 1400's being nerfed earlier that made Tempests almost useless without at least two tracking computers on. The Amarr had their mega pulse lasers nerfed, gallente got hit hard when mwd's were nerfed again... the list goes on. ____________________________________________________________________
SghnDubh	Posted - 2005.08.06 17:30:00 - [25] Beard Stubble! Nerf the beard stubble! What doesn't kill you makes you stronger... Fight Smart: www.BattleClinic.com
Zaldiri	Posted - 2005.08.06 17:42:00 - [26] CCP are planning to nerf the Caldari missile whiners. Ahhhh bliss. ----------------------------------------------- Admiral of King Frieza's Super Saiyan fleet.
RUNYOUFOOLS	Posted - 2005.08.06 18:31:00 - [27] Edited by: RUNYOUFOOLS on 06/08/2005 18:32:50 next nerf for ccp for the caldari is to perm ban anyone that makes a "OMG WTF J00 FukZOrs the caldari, we are teh poo" kind of post. /me ♥ veld
Grey Area	Posted - 2005.08.06 18:41:00 - [28] Originally by: theRaptor They need to make missiles a secondary weapon system like drones. Love to see how you're going to apply that change to the Kestrel, Caracal and Cerberus...even the Raven is a four:four setup maximum, which hardly makes the missiles a SECONDARY component... Also, I'd love to see CCP release the "We just put as many skill points in the game for missile use as there are for guns, but now we're going to make missiles a SECONDARY weapon" statement. That's going to go down REALLY well. Missiles WERE a perfectly adequate main weapon...the nerf is overzealous, but hopefully when we have trained all the missiles skills, fited seventeen target painters and fourteen webifiers to a Raven, and STILL can't achieve decent damage, the devs might adjust the equations a little. If ANYONE posts to say "Huh? how d'you get that many medium slots on a Raven?" I shall not be held responsible for my actions. ========================================= * I'm ALLOWED to cheat. I'm a STARSHIP. * =========================================
Del Narveux	Posted - 2005.08.06 20:07:00 - [29] The only problem with pre-nerf missles was the torps/CM vs frig issue which could have been easily solved several ways other than a blanket nerf. The only reason people think missles are overpowered in combat is because theyre too obsessed with mods/character skills to use missle defense (defenders/smartbombs), which unlike guns could totally shut down missle users. OMG OMG OMG I CANT TURN ON ALL MY MODS AND SIT BACK AND WATCH THE ACTION NERF IT NERF IT NERF IT!!!11one!1one1eleven! _________________ [SAK] And Proud Of It! aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
theRaptor	Posted - 2005.08.06 21:23:00 - [30] Originally by: Grey Area Originally by: theRaptor They need to make missiles a secondary weapon system like drones. Love to see how you're going to apply that change to the Kestrel, Caracal and Cerberus...even the Raven is a four:four setup maximum, which hardly makes the missiles a SECONDARY component... If you had half a brain you would realise that its simple to give those ships turret slots and bonuses. Originally by: Grey Area Also, I'd love to see CCP release the "We just put as many skill points in the game for missile use as there are for guns, but now we're going to make missiles a SECONDARY weapon" statement. That's going to go down REALLY well. Missiles WERE a perfectly adequate main weapon...the nerf is overzealous, but hopefully when we have trained all the missiles skills, fited seventeen target painters and fourteen webifiers to a Raven, and STILL can't achieve decent damage, the devs might adjust the equations a little. Im training the new missiles skills myself. Hell I would be glad if drones got a nerf and more skills. And no before the patch missiles were not perfectly adequate main weapons. Heavies sucked, torps hit small targets to well and there ranges were medium compared to turrets. To be comparable to guns they will end up being just like guns, which will suck. Hell drones only work because they are guns, just mobile destructible ones. Missiles need a total rethink, the always hitting model just isn't working. That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die. -- Ancient "Dirt" Religious figure.

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