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Amyclas Amatin
EVE University
Ivy League
13
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Posted - 2013.02.27 01:58:00 -
[1] - Quote
I'm fishing to see which way the wind is blowing.
Eve-Uni endorsed CSM candidates believe that the war-dec system is broken, and that permanent war-decs, (U-Mad vs Ivy, specifically) are a form of harassment. As such, they want long-term decs to be nerfed.
I personally believe that nerfing war-decs would be bad for business. If a corp/alliance refuses to surrender, a war-dec should continue. I'm not sure about the details of the U-mad war, but uni propaganda would have us believe that U-Mad can't be reasoned with.
What is the community's opinion on the matter? |
Adriel Malakai
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
288
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Posted - 2013.02.27 02:09:00 -
[2] - Quote
Amyclas Amatin wrote:I'm fishing to see which way the wind is blowing.
Eve-Uni endorsed CSM candidates believe that the war-dec system is broken, and that permanent war-decs, (U-Mad vs Ivy, specifically) are a form of harassment. As such, they want long-term decs to be nerfed.
I personally believe that nerfing war-decs would be bad for business. If a corp/alliance refuses to surrender, a war-dec should continue. I'm not sure about the details of the U-mad war, but uni propaganda would have us believe that U-Mad can't be reasoned with.
What is the community's opinion on the matter?
If the aggressor is willing to keep paying, they should be allowed to dec you forever. |
Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
196
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Posted - 2013.02.27 03:12:00 -
[3] - Quote
Adriel Malakai wrote:Amyclas Amatin wrote:I'm fishing to see which way the wind is blowing.
Eve-Uni endorsed CSM candidates believe that the war-dec system is broken, and that permanent war-decs, (U-Mad vs Ivy, specifically) are a form of harassment. As such, they want long-term decs to be nerfed.
I personally believe that nerfing war-decs would be bad for business. If a corp/alliance refuses to surrender, a war-dec should continue. I'm not sure about the details of the U-mad war, but uni propaganda would have us believe that U-Mad can't be reasoned with.
What is the community's opinion on the matter? If the aggressor is willing to keep paying, they should be allowed to dec you forever.
Pretty much this. If I am shelling out the money, sucks to be you. |
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
601
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Posted - 2013.02.27 03:18:00 -
[4] - Quote
Permanent war decs, like bounties, prevent me from undocking and playing the game. Therefore, I deem it a griefer mechanic and should be fixed!
I'm Denzel Washington. |
Marlon Darmazaf
e-L00T Ltd.
14
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Posted - 2013.02.27 03:20:00 -
[5] - Quote
As is usually the case in political affairs, the community opinion will be divided depending on who stands to gain what.
So... um... yeah! |
Skarned
Inroads
15
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Posted - 2013.02.27 03:20:00 -
[6] - Quote
I don't get it. Why should that suddenly become considered harassment?
I'd rather see E-Uni adapt and deal with it. |
Amyclas Amatin
EVE University
Ivy League
13
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Posted - 2013.02.27 03:58:00 -
[7] - Quote
Skarned wrote:I don't get it. Why should that suddenly become considered harassment?
I'd rather see E-Uni adapt and deal with it.
Tactically and strategically, E-Uni doesn't know how to deal with ganks. They only consider real war to be blob vs blob, or consensual war. We are **** at dealing with the guerrilla trade-hub ganker.
And... we complain that we can't catch kiting t3s and vagabonds.
The main problem is that our overall military organisation is ****. We might be able to field the deadliest roaming blobs ever, but we take a friggin 2 hours to mobilize 200 people. <- With 2 weeks notice.
In theory, our tactical pvp theories and doctrines are solid, but what we really need is fleet discipline and faster response times. We need mobilization drills and combat ship stockpiles.
Quote:Permanent war decs, like bounties, prevent me from undocking and playing the game. Therefore, I deem it a griefer mechanic and should be fixed!
That's pretty much the attitude of most of the uni directors, most of whom live in high-sec. |
Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
196
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Posted - 2013.02.27 04:18:00 -
[8] - Quote
Amyclas Amatin wrote:Skarned wrote:I don't get it. Why should that suddenly become considered harassment?
I'd rather see E-Uni adapt and deal with it. Tactically and strategically, E-Uni doesn't know how to deal with ganks. They only consider real war to be blob vs blob, or consensual war. We are **** at dealing with the guerrilla trade-hub ganker. And... we complain that we can't catch kiting t3s and vagabonds. The main problem is that our overall military organisation is ****. We might be able to field the deadliest roaming blobs ever, but we take a friggin 2 hours to mobilize 200 people. <- With 2 weeks notice. In theory, our tactical pvp theories and doctrines are solid, but what we really need is fleet discipline and faster response times. We need mobilization drills and combat ship stockpiles. Quote:Permanent war decs, like bounties, prevent me from undocking and playing the game. Therefore, I deem it a griefer mechanic and should be fixed! That's pretty much the attitude of most of the uni directors, most of whom live in high-sec.
In the EVE University philosophy, "legitimate PvP" is only happening when EVE University outnumbers the enemy a solid 5-to-1. They fear having any type of actual "fair" fight, or engaging people that might outnumber them.
Back when we dec'd EVE university (I think it was late-2011), Kelduum sent us a letter promising that he would unleash "500-man T1 cruisers complete with more Blackbirds than Goons could dream of". He lived up to it--in part. He brought more Blackbirds than anything. When we went against them to their home system, every docked. They stayed docked. When EVE university's POS was attacked, they exploited out of the war willingly. According to Kelduum ,"The POS is not and should never be considered a legal target."
Kelduum won't commit if it's blob vs. blob. That gives the enemy a chance to come out on top. His belief is that war decs should be a gentlemen's agreement, and no one should be able to dec EVE University without his say-so (look at how he created the EVE University dec shield). I've told hundreds of EVE University players: you don't learn to PvP in EVE University, you learn to be a sheep. I don't know of any FC who wants sheep unable to think for themselves except the massive null sec alliances who are constantly whining about no fights. |
Skarned
Inroads
15
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Posted - 2013.02.27 04:41:00 -
[9] - Quote
The strategy of either blobbing or doing nothing at all really breaks down when youGÇÖre faced with an extended engagement. At this point, it sounds like you guys are prettymuch screwed no matter what you do, unless you can learn to fight back and win without overwhelming force. If you fight back and constantly fail, you become an awesomer target. If you try to stay docked up, you become an awesome hunt-and-kill target as your members get bored. If you spend hours getting a blob of 200 people together, your plan becomes obvious and you wonGÇÖt get a fight.
Again, this sounds like an opportunity for E-Uni to adapt in a positive way. |
Amyclas Amatin
EVE University
Ivy League
13
|
Posted - 2013.02.27 05:43:00 -
[10] - Quote
Anya Klibor wrote:Amyclas Amatin wrote:Skarned wrote:I don't get it. Why should that suddenly become considered harassment?
I'd rather see E-Uni adapt and deal with it. Tactically and strategically, E-Uni doesn't know how to deal with ganks. They only consider real war to be blob vs blob, or consensual war. We are **** at dealing with the guerrilla trade-hub ganker. And... we complain that we can't catch kiting t3s and vagabonds. The main problem is that our overall military organisation is ****. We might be able to field the deadliest roaming blobs ever, but we take a friggin 2 hours to mobilize 200 people. <- With 2 weeks notice. In theory, our tactical pvp theories and doctrines are solid, but what we really need is fleet discipline and faster response times. We need mobilization drills and combat ship stockpiles. Quote:Permanent war decs, like bounties, prevent me from undocking and playing the game. Therefore, I deem it a griefer mechanic and should be fixed! That's pretty much the attitude of most of the uni directors, most of whom live in high-sec. In the EVE University philosophy, "legitimate PvP" is only happening when EVE University outnumbers the enemy a solid 5-to-1. They fear having any type of actual "fair" fight, or engaging people that might outnumber them. Back when we dec'd EVE university (I think it was late-2011), Kelduum sent us a letter promising that he would unleash "500-man T1 cruisers complete with more Blackbirds than Goons could dream of". He lived up to it--in part. He brought more Blackbirds than anything. When we went against them to their home system, every docked. They stayed docked. When EVE university's POS was attacked, they exploited out of the war willingly. According to Kelduum ,"The POS is not and should never be considered a legal target." Kelduum won't commit if it's blob vs. blob. That gives the enemy a chance to come out on top. His belief is that war decs should be a gentlemen's agreement, and no one should be able to dec EVE University without his say-so (look at how he created the EVE University dec shield). I've told hundreds of EVE University players: you don't learn to PvP in EVE University, you learn to be a sheep. I don't know of any FC who wants sheep unable to think for themselves except the massive null sec alliances who are constantly whining about no fights.
To shed some positive light on eve-university in their defense:
I believe that it has a great community and environment for learning pvp. - Which mostly involves living in the low or null campus and doing things on your own.
We have our pvp community... they just tend to stay clear of the high-sec blobs. |
Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
198
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Posted - 2013.02.27 06:06:00 -
[11] - Quote
Amyclas Amatin wrote:Anya Klibor wrote:Amyclas Amatin wrote:Skarned wrote:I don't get it. Why should that suddenly become considered harassment?
I'd rather see E-Uni adapt and deal with it. Tactically and strategically, E-Uni doesn't know how to deal with ganks. They only consider real war to be blob vs blob, or consensual war. We are **** at dealing with the guerrilla trade-hub ganker. And... we complain that we can't catch kiting t3s and vagabonds. The main problem is that our overall military organisation is ****. We might be able to field the deadliest roaming blobs ever, but we take a friggin 2 hours to mobilize 200 people. <- With 2 weeks notice. In theory, our tactical pvp theories and doctrines are solid, but what we really need is fleet discipline and faster response times. We need mobilization drills and combat ship stockpiles. Quote:Permanent war decs, like bounties, prevent me from undocking and playing the game. Therefore, I deem it a griefer mechanic and should be fixed! That's pretty much the attitude of most of the uni directors, most of whom live in high-sec. In the EVE University philosophy, "legitimate PvP" is only happening when EVE University outnumbers the enemy a solid 5-to-1. They fear having any type of actual "fair" fight, or engaging people that might outnumber them. Back when we dec'd EVE university (I think it was late-2011), Kelduum sent us a letter promising that he would unleash "500-man T1 cruisers complete with more Blackbirds than Goons could dream of". He lived up to it--in part. He brought more Blackbirds than anything. When we went against them to their home system, every docked. They stayed docked. When EVE university's POS was attacked, they exploited out of the war willingly. According to Kelduum ,"The POS is not and should never be considered a legal target." Kelduum won't commit if it's blob vs. blob. That gives the enemy a chance to come out on top. His belief is that war decs should be a gentlemen's agreement, and no one should be able to dec EVE University without his say-so (look at how he created the EVE University dec shield). I've told hundreds of EVE University players: you don't learn to PvP in EVE University, you learn to be a sheep. I don't know of any FC who wants sheep unable to think for themselves except the massive null sec alliances who are constantly whining about no fights. To shed some positive light on eve-university in their defense: I believe that it has a great community and environment for learning pvp. - Which mostly involves living in the low or null campus and doing things on your own. We have our pvp community... they just tend to stay clear of the high-sec blobs. In the recent RvB war, low-sec campus stayed away from blob warfare for most of the war, and focused on shutting down enemy reinforcements. Which meant lots n lots of ganking, the smarter way to fight. We didn't want to bring battleships into fleets where every noobie is broadcasting for armor.
This about sums it up. |
Amyclas Amatin
EVE University
Ivy League
13
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Posted - 2013.02.27 06:25:00 -
[12] - Quote
Naw, we have compulsory pvp classes with attendance enforced by an external organisation. It's a great learning experience.
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Zeus Maximo
Mentally Assured Destruction
Whores in space
49
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Posted - 2013.02.27 06:29:00 -
[13] - Quote
War shall be continued indefinitely :)
2013.02.27 06:29:01War Fee-500,000,000.00 ISK20,051,219,000.64 ISKFee for war against Ivy League. |
BadAssMcKill
Ghost Headquarters
The Ghost Army
133
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Posted - 2013.02.27 06:35:00 -
[14] - Quote
If war-decs bother you so much then drop to an NPC corp
The mechanics are already in place in game to help you deal with permanent decs
Starships were meant to fly~ |
Amyclas Amatin
EVE University
Ivy League
13
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Posted - 2013.02.27 06:39:00 -
[15] - Quote
Our WSOP requires us to treat you like school yard bullies, and we're not allowed to have any communications with U-Mad...
But out of interest,
Quote:War shall be continued indefinitely :)
Why?
Quote:If war-decs bother you so much then drop to an NPC corp
The mechanics are already in place in game to help you deal with permanent decs
And no, war-decs tickle me. I believe that the correct response to being ganked is, thank you, gf, and may I please have another?
I'm just interested in the politics of the nerf-wardecs debate. |
Kelduum Revaan
EVE University
Ivy League
2022
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Posted - 2013.02.27 06:42:00 -
[16] - Quote
The OP clearly failed our "Trolling 101" and "Alt Usage 101" classes.
Keep paying it Zeus. You need more ISK in that wallet? You only have enough for another 40 weeks...
Kelduum Revaan
CEO, EVE University |
Amyclas Amatin
EVE University
Ivy League
13
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Posted - 2013.02.27 06:47:00 -
[17] - Quote
Kelduum Revaan wrote:The OP clearly failed our "Trolling 101" and "Alt Usage 101" classes.
Keep paying it Zeus. You need more ISK in that wallet? You only have enough for another 40 weeks...
It's 500M a week? I thought it's paid monthly... tats quite expensive, even for a corp.
No trolling intended. Just an academic exercise in surveying public opinion... please don't beat me! |
dark heartt
I Own Four Sheep
Silent Requiem
49
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Posted - 2013.02.27 07:10:00 -
[18] - Quote
Kelduum Revaan wrote:The OP clearly failed our "Trolling 101" and "Alt Usage 101" classes.
Keep paying it Zeus. You need more ISK in that wallet? You only have enough for another 40 weeks...
Why would you want him to post on an alt? Worried about people seeing what E-UNI is like from the inside?
As far as my little corner of Eve is concerned, a permanent wardec is fine. If they want to keep footing the bill, more power to them. It's not griefing, its using a legit game mechanic to your advantage. |
ShipToaster
174
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Posted - 2013.02.27 07:18:00 -
[19] - Quote
Kelduum Revaan wrote:The OP clearly failed our "Trolling 101" and "Alt Usage 101" classes.
Keep paying it Zeus. You need more ISK in that wallet? You only have enough for another 40 weeks...
Why not give him some of your 317 billion?
I think CCP are doing a good job. Their work on the unified inventory was first class. The speed with which they fixed FW farming has to be commeneded.-á Their plans for the future look superb.
Sorry even my trolling powers balk at such troll nonsense. |
Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
198
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Posted - 2013.02.27 07:31:00 -
[20] - Quote
ShipToaster wrote:Kelduum Revaan wrote:The OP clearly failed our "Trolling 101" and "Alt Usage 101" classes.
Keep paying it Zeus. You need more ISK in that wallet? You only have enough for another 40 weeks... Why not give him some of your 317 billion?
Because he gave it all to CCP. |
Cannibal Kane
The African Terrorist
1461
|
Posted - 2013.02.27 07:40:00 -
[21] - Quote
Amyclas Amatin wrote:Kelduum Revaan wrote:The OP clearly failed our "Trolling 101" and "Alt Usage 101" classes.
Keep paying it Zeus. You need more ISK in that wallet? You only have enough for another 40 weeks... It's 500M a week? I thought it's paid monthly... tats quite expensive, even for a corp. No trolling intended. Just an academic exercise in surveying public opinion... please don't beat me!
That right there is the reason I hate people posting suggestions or gripes about something. 99% of the time, it is because they don't understand how it actually works.
"I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. -áHe flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. -áHis hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. -áIt was truly majestic. -áAnd while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off.-áBecause I am like that." --áNEONOVUS |
Amyclas Amatin
EVE University
Ivy League
13
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Posted - 2013.02.27 07:50:00 -
[22] - Quote
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Wars
Oh so it is weekly. That's quite a lovely isk sink. |
culo duro
Federal Enslavement
28
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Posted - 2013.02.27 07:59:00 -
[23] - Quote
Looking at war decs from a logical point of view. Eve is a sandbox. Suddenly 1 month dec you now can't pay the bill anymore? |
Amyclas Amatin
EVE University
Ivy League
13
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Posted - 2013.02.27 08:30:00 -
[24] - Quote
Apparently this post counts as an extreme violation of uni rules. I'm banned from EVERYTHING.
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Student_Guidance_Department
...
Newbie needs a new job! Will work for pewing adventures! Mail me and convo me in-game. |
culo duro
Federal Enslavement
28
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Posted - 2013.02.27 08:54:00 -
[25] - Quote
I saw text and i decided to just answer instead....
Are there rules about not talking on the forum?`that might explain why i never see any Ivy League. |
Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
198
|
Posted - 2013.02.27 09:12:00 -
[26] - Quote
culo duro wrote:I saw text and i decided to just answer instead.... Are there rules about not talking on the forum?`that might explain why i never see any Ivy League.
You do not talk on the forums.
You do, however, make sure you "like" Kelduum's "ideas" on the forums so that he can belittle everyone who disagrees with his carebearish ways. |
Cannibal Kane
The African Terrorist
1461
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Posted - 2013.02.27 09:16:00 -
[27] - Quote
Wish I had the isk to perma dec UNI each week.
"I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. -áHe flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. -áHis hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. -áIt was truly majestic. -áAnd while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off.-áBecause I am like that." --áNEONOVUS |
Amyclas Amatin
EVE University
Ivy League
13
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Posted - 2013.02.27 09:21:00 -
[28] - Quote
culo duro wrote:I saw text and i decided to just answer instead.... Are there rules about not talking on the forum?`that might explain why i never see any Ivy League.
I broke this rule:
Quote:E-UNI members must not post in any discussions related to EVE University itself, on the official EVE forums or elsewhere, unless given explicit permission by a director. Please bring any posts such as these which you feel may need a comment or similar to the attention of the management and let an authorised person post instead. This includes using 'alts' or other pseudonyms.
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/EVE_University_Rules
Now this newbie needs help. Be a kind soul and offer him a place on your piwate crew. I have skills in... using the D-Scan... and tackling things.
1.6M SP, can fly t1 incursion ships. Can fly most t1 frigs with reasonable competence. |
Princess Saskia
Hyperfleet Industries
xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
74
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Posted - 2013.02.27 09:33:00 -
[29] - Quote
'I am most definatly new player friendly and just beceause I teach people how to play the game I should decide which mechanics my pilots be exposed too and have complete control over other people!'
Sounds like somone has too large of an Ego. Obvcourse I'm Paraphrasing.
/P
Hyperfleet Industries is selectivly recruiting. Enquire today.
Killboard
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Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
370
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Posted - 2013.02.27 09:53:00 -
[30] - Quote
Amyclas Amatin wrote:We might be able to field the deadliest roaming blobs ever, but we take a friggin 2 hours to mobilize 200 people. <- With 2 weeks notice.
Learn to use Fleetfinder and free-move instead of your antiquated x-up method, problem solved.
Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20.
Mangala Solaris for CSM 8 |
Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front
New Creation Collective
201
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Posted - 2013.02.27 10:11:00 -
[31] - Quote
Preemptive congratulations to the OP for getting kicked out of EVE University for posting dissenting opinions on the EVE Online forums. When you need a new home look me up.
Anyway, perma-decs are perfectly fine and EVE University has benefited from them probably more than anybody else in the game. EVE is a game about doing stuff in hostile space. All the more so post-Crimewatch, where one impulsive decision resulting in a finger twitching restlessly towards the F1 key can result in a publicly available killright. All this is as it should be, of course.
As somebody who was in EVE University not that long ago and keeps in touch with the community there I can tell you that the Uni under perma-dec is a better organization than the Uni under dec-shield. Mainly because it has forced them to relax most of their rules in order to be able to continue to undock and function normally. Back in the day the Uni was total carebear land - today they are encouraged to suicide gank and negative sec status is allowed.
Join the Revolutionary Front and liberate New Eden from it's stuff.
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Reppyk
Yarrbear Inc.
BricK sQuAD.
366
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Posted - 2013.02.27 10:22:00 -
[32] - Quote
Amyclas Amatin wrote:Quote:War shall be continued indefinitely :) Why? Hint below :
Kelduum Revaan wrote:The OP clearly failed our "Trolling 101" and "Alt Usage 101" classes.
Keep paying it Zeus. You need more ISK in that wallet? You only have enough for another 40 weeks...
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culo duro
Federal Enslavement
28
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Posted - 2013.02.27 10:42:00 -
[33] - Quote
Reppyk wrote:Amyclas Amatin wrote:Quote:War shall be continued indefinitely :) Why? Hint below : Kelduum Revaan wrote:The OP clearly failed our "Trolling 101" and "Alt Usage 101" classes.
Keep paying it Zeus. You need more ISK in that wallet? You only have enough for another 40 weeks...
I think Eve uni should add a "Fleet 101" and "Pvp 101" and actually learn to fight back like other corps have to. |
Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP
The Marmite Collective
239
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Posted - 2013.02.27 10:54:00 -
[34] - Quote
EVE University does pvp blobs..... We as nice mercs cant fight 10000 men blobs. I should run for CSM and make a fool out of myself by wanting blobs to be nerved. No more blobs bigger then 10 players ! Booeeehoeee...more tears...boehoee... 
My resists to bad posts are 78-89-83-90 ....... The metal head plate increased it by 5%.
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BadAssMcKill
Ghost Headquarters
The Ghost Army
133
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Posted - 2013.02.27 11:07:00 -
[35] - Quote
Tora Bushido wrote:EVE University does pvp blobs..... We as nice mercs cant fight 10000 men blobs. I should run for CSM and make a fool out of myself by wanting blobs to be nerved. No more blobs bigger then 10 players ! Booeeehoeee...more tears...boehoee...
You heard it here first folks Tora will nerf blobs and fix Eve!
Tora for CSM8 \O/
Starships were meant to fly~ |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
1104
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Posted - 2013.02.27 11:22:00 -
[36] - Quote
I like how members of e-uni are literally forbidden from talking publicly about e-uni in any way, and that only "authorized persons" may post on the forums.
E-uni is the most oppressive, propaganda-ridden, bureaucratic shitheap of an organization I've ever seen in a gaming community. |
Reppyk
Yarrbear Inc.
BricK sQuAD.
366
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Posted - 2013.02.27 11:26:00 -
[37] - Quote
Vimsy Vortis wrote:I like how members of e-uni are literally forbidden from talking publicly about e-uni in any way, and that only "authorized persons" may post on the forums.
E-uni is the most oppressive, propaganda-ridden, bureaucratic shitheap of an organization I've ever seen in a gaming community. So SOLAR is the nullsec EVEuni ? 
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culo duro
Federal Enslavement
28
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Posted - 2013.02.27 11:40:00 -
[38] - Quote
BadAssMcKill wrote:Tora Bushido wrote:EVE University does pvp blobs..... We as nice mercs cant fight 10000 men blobs. I should run for CSM and make a fool out of myself by wanting blobs to be nerved. No more blobs bigger then 10 players ! Booeeehoeee...more tears...boehoee... You heard it here first folks Tora will nerf blobs and fix Eve! Tora for CSM8 \O/
Tora for all the CSMs! |
StoneCold
House of Sparrows
76
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Posted - 2013.02.27 12:18:00 -
[39] - Quote
Cannibal Kane wrote:Wish I had the isk to perma dec UNI each week.
This.
Disclaimer: All depicted violent acts relate only (and exclusively) on ingame events. |
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
601
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Posted - 2013.02.27 13:57:00 -
[40] - Quote
Hah, wow. If my alliance put a rule like that up, I'd GTFO out before you could say "OUTTA HERE."
Adriel is a merciful master and just gets blue in the face if we make the alliance look bad.
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Please don't hurt me...
I'm Denzel Washington. |
Kristopher Rocancourt
Quality Assurance
The Marmite Collective
59
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Posted - 2013.02.27 14:09:00 -
[41] - Quote
Tora Bushido wrote:EVE University does pvp blobs..... We as nice mercs cant fight 10000 men blobs. I should run for CSM and make a fool out of myself by wanting blobs to be nerved. No more blobs bigger then 10 players ! Booeeehoeee...more tears...boehoee...
Tora for CSM!!!
You couldn't do any worse that Skippermonkey did ;)
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Kamden Line
Sovereign Citizen and other Tax Evasion Schemes
133
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Posted - 2013.02.27 16:21:00 -
[42] - Quote
Vimsy Vortis wrote:I like how members of e-uni are literally forbidden from talking publicly about e-uni in any way, and that only "authorized persons" may post on the forums.
E-uni is the most oppressive, propaganda-ridden, bureaucratic shitheap of an organization I've ever seen in a gaming community.
Kelduum Revan during CSM election: "I will represent all high sec players."
Kelduum Revan during CSM: "lol jk, I am actually going to be a huge ******, posting huge manifestos complaining about not getting botted ISK back, and complain about war decs because I haven't learned to HTFU in all the of my drama-ridden years at EVE-UNI."
To anybody voting for this turd during the election, you need to get your priorities checked. |
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
602
|
Posted - 2013.02.27 16:34:00 -
[43] - Quote
Kamden Line wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:I like how members of e-uni are literally forbidden from talking publicly about e-uni in any way, and that only "authorized persons" may post on the forums.
E-uni is the most oppressive, propaganda-ridden, bureaucratic shitheap of an organization I've ever seen in a gaming community. Kelduum Revan during CSM election: "I will represent all high sec players." Kelduum Revan during CSM: "lol jk, I am actually going to be a huge ******, posting huge manifestos complaining about not getting botted ISK back, and complain about war decs because I haven't learned to HTFU in all the of my drama-ridden years at EVE-UNI." To anybody voting for this turd during the election, you need to get your priorities checked.
He'll win because the directors of EVE-Uni will ban everyone who doesn't vote for him. Heaven forbid anyone say anything negative, they might even get ganked.
I'm Denzel Washington. |
Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
200
|
Posted - 2013.02.27 17:13:00 -
[44] - Quote
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:Kamden Line wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:I like how members of e-uni are literally forbidden from talking publicly about e-uni in any way, and that only "authorized persons" may post on the forums.
E-uni is the most oppressive, propaganda-ridden, bureaucratic shitheap of an organization I've ever seen in a gaming community. Kelduum Revan during CSM election: "I will represent all high sec players." Kelduum Revan during CSM: "lol jk, I am actually going to be a huge ******, posting huge manifestos complaining about not getting botted ISK back, and complain about war decs because I haven't learned to HTFU in all the of my drama-ridden years at EVE-UNI." To anybody voting for this turd during the election, you need to get your priorities checked. He'll win because the directors of EVE-Uni will ban everyone who doesn't vote for him. Heaven forbid anyone say anything negative, they might even get ganked.
That would require their collective balls to be found in order to gank me. |
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
602
|
Posted - 2013.02.27 17:27:00 -
[45] - Quote
Anya Klibor wrote:That would require their collective balls to be found in order to gank me.
I should have clarified. Heaven forbid anyone in EVE-Uni say anything bad against him. Not voting is criminal. Not agreeing with your leadership is downright traitorous!
I'm Denzel Washington. |
Takseen
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
301
|
Posted - 2013.02.27 19:01:00 -
[46] - Quote
Vimsy Vortis wrote:I like how members of e-uni are literally forbidden from talking publicly about e-uni in any way, and that only "authorized persons" may post on the forums.
E-uni is the most oppressive, propaganda-ridden, bureaucratic shitheap of an organization I've ever seen in a gaming community.
Yes, I'll have to stop recommending people give them a go in NPC chat when newbies ask about corps to join. |
Zeus Maximo
Mentally Assured Destruction
Whores in space
50
|
Posted - 2013.02.27 22:25:00 -
[47] - Quote
In my opinion the more people that war dec Ivy League the more they'll learn.
500 mil a week really isnt bad considering all of the war targets we farm. Hell we have one guy that easily collects over 1 bil of loot a week just from roaming with the corp. Considering we aren't online all the time and he alone can connect that much.... Im sure a lot of you can easily pay the war bill!
Ivy league densly populates a few areas in new eden and we will be glad to share their locations with you all :) |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
Petition Blizzard
2898
|
Posted - 2013.02.27 23:43:00 -
[48] - Quote
Anya Klibor wrote:You do, however, make sure you "like" Kelduum's "ideas" on the forums so that he can belittle everyone who disagrees with his carebearish ways.
I'm just going to look meaningfully between his like count and mine for a bit, and let the readers draw their own conclusions.
Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement. |
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
604
|
Posted - 2013.02.28 00:15:00 -
[49] - Quote
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Anya Klibor wrote:You do, however, make sure you "like" Kelduum's "ideas" on the forums so that he can belittle everyone who disagrees with his carebearish ways. I'm just going to look meaningfully between his like count and mine for a bit, and let the readers draw their own conclusions.
FloppieTheBanjoClown for CMS and leadership of E-UNI!
I'm Denzel Washington. |
Amyclas Amatin
EVE University
Ivy League
14
|
Posted - 2013.02.28 00:33:00 -
[50] - Quote
I'm in so much trouble, it couldn't get any worse. 
We actually believe that our rules and WSOPs will save us by discouraging war-decs. - It's a don't feed the trolls strategy, we're hoping that folks will get bored and go away.
It's carebear thinking... |
culo duro
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP
The Marmite Collective
31
|
Posted - 2013.02.28 07:44:00 -
[51] - Quote
Amyclas Amatin wrote:I'm in so much trouble, it couldn't get any worse. We actually believe that our rules and WSOPs will save us by discouraging war-decs. - It's a don't feed the trolls strategy, we're hoping that folks will get bored and go away. It's carebear thinking...
Welcome to C&P. |
Amyclas Amatin
The Phantom Regiment
THE ROYAL NAVY
15
|
Posted - 2013.03.01 04:51:00 -
[52] - Quote
Getting booted from the Uni has effectively kick-started my new career!
And baby has his first bounty! (On all his alts too!) Presumably from the Uni. I'm so flattered that they think I'm worth 90 mill... no doubt paid for by uni donations and tax money.
Maybe someone is actually angry about being war-decced... You'd think they'd learn to realize that a training alliance being decced is a really good educational experience. It prepares everyone, care-bears included, to deal with non-consensual pvp situations.
Had a great time in the Uni, and I bear em no ill will. I'm sorry that it had to end so bureaucratically. They didn't even let me say goodbye!
Having fun in low-sec.
And NBSI shall be the whole end of the law.
(I also honor ransoms.)
So... back to topic.
What does the Eve community think about being able to continue war-decs?
Is continuous war-deccing a form of harrassment?
Would you support a csm that wants time-limits or escalating costs on war-decs in order to give care-bears respite from "harassment"?
The post that got me banned from Eve-Uni:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=210049&find=unread |
culo duro
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP
The Marmite Collective
32
|
Posted - 2013.03.01 08:03:00 -
[53] - Quote
Amyclas Amatin wrote:
Would you support a csm that wants time-limits or escalating costs on war-decs in order to give care-bears respite from "harassment"?
CCP won't ever do that, they've turned the game abit into more carebear space with crimewatch 2.0 and Settings for wether you want to go criminal or not.
But to simply say "no you can't dec these guys after 1 month of war" would ruin the entire concept of eve being a sandbox. |
Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
Hegemonous Pandorum
101
|
Posted - 2013.03.01 08:29:00 -
[54] - Quote
I'm sure red vs blue would love perma decs - it would mean they wouldn't have any more :bugs: to worry about. |
Takseen
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
310
|
Posted - 2013.03.01 13:52:00 -
[55] - Quote
culo duro wrote:Amyclas Amatin wrote:
Would you support a csm that wants time-limits or escalating costs on war-decs in order to give care-bears respite from "harassment"?
CCP won't ever do that, they've turned the game abit into more carebear space with crimewatch 2.0 and Settings for wether you want to go criminal or not. But to simply say "no you can't dec these guys after 1 month of war" would ruin the entire concept of eve being a sandbox.
If you want unrestricted warfare where you can backstab and break treaties as you please, move out of highsec. All "wars" in highsec are is an application to CONCORD to please not kill us while we engage this other group of capsuleers. Its entirely up to them(and by extension, CCP) as to whether they allow you to do that or not.
|
Beckie DeLey
Living From Scraps
345
|
Posted - 2013.03.01 14:19:00 -
[56] - Quote
Wow, between the botting incident and the pile of crap that this thread pulled to the surface, my opinion of E-UNI is on an all-time low. And i didn't think very highly of it in the first place.
That Kelduum guy needs to be put in his place by his peers rather sooner than later, sounds like most of the crap is coming from him being an arrogant bag of douches.
So... i started an industry blog at www.derbk.com/eve
There i am preparing a guide to all things related to manufacturing. Check it out!
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Random McNally
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
181
|
Posted - 2013.03.01 17:33:00 -
[57] - Quote
Super spikinator wrote:I'm sure red vs blue would love perma decs - it would mean they wouldn't have any more :bugs: to worry about.
Plus, it gives us more targets to shoot at. 
Red Fed Grunt.-á Co-Host of the High Drag Podcast. http://highdrag.wordpress.com/ |
Defialed
Under the Wings of Fury
Atrocitas
7
|
Posted - 2013.03.01 23:24:00 -
[58] - Quote
I fully endorse u-mad in forever deccing the uni.
GO zeuserz |
Ellspeth Murdron
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District
12
|
Posted - 2013.03.02 02:01:00 -
[59] - Quote
Eve University is... getting schooled? |
Nikaroo
Mentally Assured Destruction
Whores in space
0
|
Posted - 2013.03.02 11:44:00 -
[60] - Quote
Ellspeth Murdron wrote:Eve University is... getting schooled?
Ya, meanwhile we are basically part of the teacher program. |
Tark en Chalune
Taggart Transdimensional
Virtue of Selfishness
20
|
Posted - 2013.03.12 05:46:00 -
[61] - Quote
Kelduum Revaan wrote:The OP clearly failed our "Trolling 101" and "Alt Usage 101" classes.
Keep paying it Zeus. You need more ISK in that wallet? You only have enough for another 40 weeks...
OP has graduated from Eve-Uni in the best way ... by getting expelled and hired by a nullsec corp.
Congrats to the OP.
|
Sabriz Adoudel
Resurgent Threat
75
|
Posted - 2013.03.13 04:47:00 -
[62] - Quote
EVE Uni organise highsec incursion fleets, correct? With tech 1 ships where every ship matters?
Wouldn't it be tragic if some despicable pirates warped into a site they were clearing and suicide ECM'ed their logistics or ECM bursted the fleet?
'... you cannot reason with the mining bots, you cannot negotiate with them, you can only bring them judgement in the form of Navy Antimatter, turn their Mackinaws to salvage and dust, smartbomb their pods, and burn their Mining Link implants with sweet incense...'- The Gospel according to St James 315 |
Das Aivo
Chemical Redox
2
|
Posted - 2013.03.13 05:12:00 -
[63] - Quote
Kelduum Revaan wrote:The OP clearly failed our "Trolling 101" and "Alt Usage 101" classes.
Keep paying it Zeus. You need more ISK in that wallet? You only have enough for another 40 weeks...
After seeing this horrible post of yours, it would bring me great satisfaction to put you on my future wardec/grief list.
|
Cyprus Black
The Learning Curve.
699
|
Posted - 2013.03.13 07:50:00 -
[64] - Quote
If the wardec is mutual like it is in Red Vs Blue, then it's a good thing. When you have a large corp/alliance/coalition in a permanent wardec against a smaller entity is not good. Nor is having hardened PvP'ers in a permanent wardec against non PvP'ers.
Trolling is like art.
Anyone can finger paint, but it takes true talent to create a masterpiece. |
Amyclas Amatin
The Phantom Regiment
THE ROYAL NAVY
41
|
Posted - 2013.03.13 07:59:00 -
[65] - Quote
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:EVE Uni organise highsec incursion fleets, correct? With tech 1 ships where every ship matters?
Wouldn't it be tragic if some despicable pirates warped into a site they were clearing and suicide ECM'ed their logistics or ECM bursted the fleet?
WHORES IN SPACE alliance has been camping the routes that the uni takes between incursion sites. The uni will travel fit with warp core stabs and use out of corp scouts to move. The aggressors will use out of corp scouts to spot the ships, and setup log-off traps with hictors and tackle using infinite points.
The uni incursion fleet will always take out any npc ship with a warp-scrambler first to maximize their chances of warping out in-case something goes wrong.
Nowadays you can spot directors and carebear loving CSM candidates in the fleet. The fleet itself is mixed up with battlecruisers, t2 logi, battleships, and shiny pirate battleships.
The post that got me banned from Eve-Uni:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=210049&find=unread |
ShipToaster
175
|
Posted - 2013.03.13 12:54:00 -
[66] - Quote
Amyclas Amatin wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:EVE Uni organise highsec incursion fleets, correct? With tech 1 ships where every ship matters?
Wouldn't it be tragic if some despicable pirates warped into a site they were clearing and suicide ECM'ed their logistics or ECM bursted the fleet? WHORES IN SPACE alliance has been camping the routes that the uni takes between incursion sites. The uni will travel fit with warp core stabs and use out of corp scouts to move. The aggressors will use out of corp scouts to spot the ships, and setup log-off traps with hictors and tackle using infinite points. The uni incursion fleet will always take out any npc ship with a warp-scrambler first to maximize their chances of warping out in-case something goes wrong. Nowadays you can spot directors and carebear loving CSM candidates in the fleet. The fleet itself is mixed up with battlecruisers, t2 logi, battleships, and shiny pirate battleships. Their setups usually result in sniper shortages.
For general mischief you should be focusing more on the mixed combination of war targets from eve university and the logistic pilots in their fleets who are not in eve university who will get a suspect flag if they rep eve university pilots who have a PvP flag with a war target flag.
Fly in one suicide dessie or frig to fire a shot at all eve university pilots in an incursion site and logistics who are not in eve university cannot rep them without going suspect. If logistics do rep and go suspect then fly in a couple of bb's to jam or neut their logistics as they can then be attacked freely. Watch the pretty and expensive explosions as sansha do their stuff. Half a dozen dessies should be able to kill logistics that are suspect to round it off.
Doing this in an assault site should be even better.
I think CCP are doing a good job. Their work on the unified inventory was first class. The speed with which they fixed FW farming has to be commeneded.-á Their plans for the future look superb.
Sorry even my trolling powers balk at such troll nonsense. |
Jensaro Koraka
Serenity Prime
Kraken.
61
|
Posted - 2013.03.13 16:22:00 -
[67] - Quote
I live in null. If someone war decs us I wouldn't even notice. I don't think permanent war decs are a problem. People just need to HTFU.
"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."
-H.L. Mencken |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
1142
|
Posted - 2013.03.13 19:00:00 -
[68] - Quote
Cyprus Black wrote:non PvP'ers.
That is not a thing that exists in this game. |
Zeus Maximo
Mentally Assured Destruction
Whores in space
90
|
Posted - 2013.03.13 21:34:00 -
[69] - Quote
Jensaro Koraka wrote:I live in null. If someone war decs us I wouldn't even notice. I don't think permanent war decs are a problem. People just need to HTFU.
Many null sec corps have said this before....
Then they lost their Jump Freighters.... |
Jensaro Koraka
Serenity Prime
Kraken.
67
|
Posted - 2013.03.14 10:51:00 -
[70] - Quote
Zeus Maximo wrote:Jensaro Koraka wrote:I live in null. If someone war decs us I wouldn't even notice. I don't think permanent war decs are a problem. People just need to HTFU. Many null sec corps have said this before.... Then they lost their Jump Freighters....
I don't fly a jump freighter. And at any rate, my corp spends 90% of our time in PvP. I doubt finding someone to guard our freighter runs would be a problem.
"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."
-H.L. Mencken |
culo duro
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP
The Marmite Collective
43
|
Posted - 2013.03.14 11:57:00 -
[71] - Quote
Jensaro Koraka wrote:Zeus Maximo wrote:Jensaro Koraka wrote:I live in null. If someone war decs us I wouldn't even notice. I don't think permanent war decs are a problem. People just need to HTFU. Many null sec corps have said this before.... Then they lost their Jump Freighters.... I don't fly a jump freighter. And at any rate, my corp spends 90% of our time in PvP. I doubt finding someone to guard our freighter runs would be a problem.
Welcome to marmite air, could we take an apointment? |
Zedrik Cayne
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
179
|
Posted - 2013.03.14 12:31:00 -
[72] - Quote
Amyclas Amatin wrote:I'm in so much trouble, it couldn't get any worse. We actually believe that our rules and WSOPs will save us by discouraging war-decs. - It's a don't feed the trolls strategy, we're hoping that folks will get bored and go away. It's carebear thinking...
Thing is, it can work. If you are boring enough, it is unprofitable and boring for the wardeccers.
And you have to be very...very...*VERY* boring. If your wardeccer gets any kills, or comments in local, at all...You are being entertaining.
Since the university is obviously not being boring and providing entertainment. They will continue to get pummelled.
You are the internet equivalent of a Mars bar filled with stupid. |
GreenSeed
242
|
Posted - 2013.03.14 12:40:00 -
[73] - Quote
wardecs are fine.
oh wait this isn't what this thread is about. |
Amyclas Amatin
The Phantom Regiment
THE ROYAL NAVY
76
|
Posted - 2013.03.17 06:33:00 -
[74] - Quote
GreenSeed wrote:wardecs are fine.
oh wait this isn't what this thread is about.
Amyclas Amatin wrote:I'm just interested in the politics of the nerf-wardecs debate.
It all started so innocently. Those were my last words before Kelduum got mad and perma-banned me from the uni.
Now, look how far we've come.
The post that got me banned from Eve-Uni:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=210049&find=unread |
Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front
New Creation Collective
225
|
Posted - 2013.03.17 13:11:00 -
[75] - Quote
Zedrik Cayne wrote:Amyclas Amatin wrote:I'm in so much trouble, it couldn't get any worse. We actually believe that our rules and WSOPs will save us by discouraging war-decs. - It's a don't feed the trolls strategy, we're hoping that folks will get bored and go away. It's carebear thinking... Thing is, it can work. If you are boring enough, it is unprofitable and boring for the wardeccers. And you have to be very...very...*VERY* boring. If your wardeccer gets any kills, or comments in local, at all...You are being entertaining. Since the university is obviously not being boring and providing entertainment. They will continue to get pummelled.
That strategy definitely can work for smaller alliances with a good level of discipline, but it has never worked for EVE Uni. The Uni is just too big and too noob heavy for it. There will always be people who just ignore the rules or feel that the rules don't apply to them for some reason. People will still undock in stupid ships and do stupid things, feeding juicy kills to the war targets. Even in the old days when the war SOP was actually enforced this was the case.
The directors used to spend all their gametime during wars running around chasing members flying exhumers, haulers and the like, and blowing them up before the war targets could get the chance. The offending members would also be banned for disregarding the SOP, but even so, there was no way to stop the foolish war losses. Managing a noob-friendly corp is like herding cats at the best of times.
Also, for high profile corps like the Uni, even if they do everything with a perfect level of discipline, there will always be corps with enough isk that maintaining a wardec indefinitely is no issue. Sure, they can stay locked down and bore you for a week, maybe, but sooner or later they are going to have to undock and do things in space, or their whole organization would become irrelevant.
Also, in a related note, Kelduum Revaan just quit as CEO of E-Uni. It will be interesting to see how things change.
Join the Revolutionary Front and liberate New Eden from it's stuff.
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LoJ4X
The Shizzel
0
|
Posted - 2013.04.03 14:12:00 -
[76] - Quote
Vimsy Vortis wrote:I like how members of e-uni are literally forbidden from talking publicly about e-uni in any way, and that only "authorized persons" may post on the forums.
E-uni is the most oppressive, propaganda-ridden, bureaucratic shitheap of an organization I've ever seen in a gaming community.
Eve-uni teaches you Nazism, fascism and how to follow it and to bend over and cower and make them ISKSZZZzzr.
Have fun with that |
LoJ4X
The Shizzel
0
|
Posted - 2013.04.03 14:14:00 -
[77] - Quote
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:Anya Klibor wrote:That would require their collective balls to be found in order to gank me. I should have clarified. Heaven forbid anyone in EVE-Uni say anything bad against him. Not voting is criminal. Not agreeing with your leadership is downright traitorous!
Much like this:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread937379/pg1
Quote: Law enforcement intelligence-processing fusion centers have long come under attack for spying on Americans. The Arkansas director wanted to clarify the truth: centers only spies on some Americans GÇô those who appear to be a threat to the government...
...After claiming that his office GÇÿabsolutelyGÇÖ does not spy on Americans, he proceeded to explain that this does not apply to those who could be interpreted as a GÇÿthreatGÇÖ to national security. Davis said his office places its focus on international plots, GÇ£domestic terrorism and certain groups that are anti-government. We want to kind of take a look at that and receive that information.GÇ¥
But the First Amendment allows for the freedom of speech and opinion, making it lawfully acceptable for Americans to express their grievances against the US government....
|
Milan Nantucket
New Eden Misfits
27
|
Posted - 2013.04.03 17:02:00 -
[78] - Quote
War deccing is a mechanic of the game. Is it flawed in some way or another... sure
Perma Deccing should be left alone as there are ways to counter it... requires non-carebear thinking.
Just because they have the word University in the name makes no difference and the students will eventually have to learn what a war dec is...
Teach about watching local, not doing stupid ****, forming your own militia and going after the deccers $$$... list goes on. It's only active as long as the bill gets paid... remove the isk and the the dec goes away. |
Athena Maldoran
Special Nymphs On A Mission
1563
|
Posted - 2013.04.03 17:16:00 -
[79] - Quote
Wardecks should rise in cost after a while.. Permadecks should in my opinion only be viable if the corporations go mutual on the deck.. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
1161
|
Posted - 2013.04.03 21:49:00 -
[80] - Quote
Athena Maldoran wrote:Wardecks should rise in cost after a while.. Permadecks should in my opinion only be viable if the corporations go mutual on the deck..
Two questions:
1) Why should war declarations be like that?
2) Have you ever declared a war?
My guess as to your answers would be "Because I don't like having wars declared on me" and "No". |
Seraph IX Basarab
Hades Effect
132
|
Posted - 2013.04.03 22:03:00 -
[81] - Quote
Kelduum Revaan wrote:The OP clearly failed our "Trolling 101" and "Alt Usage 101" classes.
Keep paying it Zeus. You need more ISK in that wallet? You only have enough for another 40 weeks...
With all do respect as a former Uni member in my first or so month of Eve, I have to say that although your intention to keep Eve Uni safe for newer players may come from a good place, you are retarding their progress. In effect you are graduating people that are competent on an Eve Uni level, but incompetent on an Eve: Online level.
You train your people to be as capable as nanny Eve Uni needs them to be. You are betraying your own supposed goals of teaching people how to play Eve and instead are keeping them in a bubble that is an unrealistic experience of what Eve Online is.
Further you go on a campaign, perhaps one of the most shamelessly bias ones, and endorse that this sort of play should be extended even further.
Now I understand some people are greifers. These people take pleasure in tormenting others perhaps the same way their personal demons torment them in their personal lives. But I'm not sure that the current course of action is the best.
Look at some of the most resilient entities in Eve. Red Alliance for example survived its first few "would be failcascades" fighting relentlessly with small cheap crappy ships. Bravery and sacrifice are rewarded rather than having losses being punished. You're really looking at it all wrong and it's very sad because I believe Eve Uni is a great entity in Eve Online.
The game needs freedom so that both good and bad things happen. If there are not villains where can the heroes be? |
Zeus Maximo
Mentally Assured Destruction
Whores in space
106
|
Posted - 2013.04.03 22:37:00 -
[82] - Quote
Athena Maldoran wrote:Wardecks should rise in cost after a while.. Permadecks should in my opinion only be viable if the corporations go mutual on the deck..
Why punish the people that can actually afford perma decs? I earned my isk legitimately so why punish me? Just because we can afford to do it doesnt mean 99% of the other corps in eve can. Why go to such lengths to punish the one corp that has uni perma decced? |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
1161
|
Posted - 2013.04.03 22:47:00 -
[83] - Quote
Blah blah new players, blah blah subscription numbers. No necessary just suppose my assertions are true blah blah don't want other people playing the game at me. |
Amyclas Amatin
The Phantom Regiment
THE ROYAL NAVY
96
|
Posted - 2013.04.04 01:27:00 -
[84] - Quote
Having been on both ends of the stick, I don't feel that "griefing" is necessarily a bad thing.
As a noob, you blow up, you lose ships, but if you have the right attitude, each death becomes a learning experience. Without decs, many people wouldn't touch pvp until they have 10 million skill points and are feeling "ready" for it.
The people who complain are those who want the option for a softer, less competitive game - where there's something in it for everyone, and where everyone can build their capabilities "at their own pace".
As it is, dying in EVE is a slap on the wrist. The folks who do feel the pain are those who fly in disproportionately expensive ships, expecting no real opposition. While not everyone plays eve like it's their job, I don't think "casual" or "stupidly oblivious" is a playstyle for a game like EVE online.
The post that got me banned from Eve-Uni:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=210049&find=unread |
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2013.04.04 06:55:00 -
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Amyclas Amatin wrote:I don't think "casual" or "stupidly oblivious" is a playstyle for a game like EVE online.
Based on some of the kills I've achieved or had the jealousy of seeing on a killboard, I would have to say that people implement those play styles anyway. The stupidly oblivious ones are really funny to shoot, because they tend to yell the loudest.
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Amyclas Amatin
The Phantom Regiment
THE ROYAL NAVY
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Posted - 2013.04.04 08:43:00 -
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Roughly the same question, asked with a broader scope:
What is high-sec aggression intended to be?
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=222235
don't troll the bears, maybe we could actually have a sensible discussion about this debacle.
The post that got me banned from Eve-Uni:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=210049&find=unread |
Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front
New Creation Collective
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Posted - 2013.04.04 11:02:00 -
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Amyclas Amatin wrote:
don't troll the bears, maybe we could actually have a sensible discussion about this debacle.
Good luck with that.
Join the Revolutionary Front and liberate New Eden from it's stuff.
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Athena Maldoran
Special Nymphs On A Mission
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Posted - 2013.04.04 11:52:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Athena Maldoran wrote:Wardecks should rise in cost after a while.. Permadecks should in my opinion only be viable if the corporations go mutual on the deck.. Two questions: 1) Why should war declarations be like that? 2) Have you ever declared a war? My guess as to your answers would be "Because I don't like having wars declared on me" and "No".
1) Imo, war cost to much atm. I would like the war to start cheap, like say at 5 mill, and next week it cost 25 mill, and the week after that it cost 50 mill. Where it ends up at what it costs today.
I do favor the agressor, but inn all wars there are times of strategic consequesnce. As in it should be cheap to start, but "expensive" to continue. If you don't like increasing the cost, take a 24 hour break, gather new intel and go deck again. In some aspect this is sort of how it is during permadecks already. There are always small periods of downtime, either with the agressor or the defender.
Why shouldnt there be? Its quite normal behaivour ^^
2) I find your question amusing...
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Athena Maldoran
Special Nymphs On A Mission
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Posted - 2013.04.04 11:55:00 -
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Zeus Maximo wrote:Athena Maldoran wrote:Wardecks should rise in cost after a while.. Permadecks should in my opinion only be viable if the corporations go mutual on the deck.. Why punish the people that can actually afford perma decs? I earned my isk legitimately so why punish me? Just because we can afford to do it doesnt mean 99% of the other corps in eve can. Why go to such lengths to punish the one corp that has uni perma decced?
I'm just implying that the overall war mechanic is flawed, and dont really care about you or your permadeck. I think the initial cost is to much, but the cost on keeping it going forever is to low. Basically to keep a war going forever imo, should be the mutual wars.
It only would cost a mere 24 h delay to redeck someone.. |
culo duro
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP
The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2013.04.04 12:02:00 -
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Athena Maldoran wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:Athena Maldoran wrote:Wardecks should rise in cost after a while.. Permadecks should in my opinion only be viable if the corporations go mutual on the deck.. Two questions: 1) Why should war declarations be like that? 2) Have you ever declared a war? My guess as to your answers would be "Because I don't like having wars declared on me" and "No". 1) Imo, war cost to much atm. I would like the war to start cheap, like say at 5 mill, and next week it cost 25 mill, and the week after that it cost 50 mill. Where it ends up at what it costs today. I do favor the agressor, but inn all wars there are times of strategic consequesnce. As in it should be cheap to start, but "expensive" to continue. If you don't like increasing the cost, take a 24 hour break, gather new intel and go deck again. In some aspect this is sort of how it is during permadecks already. There are always small periods of downtime, either with the agressor or the defender. Why shouldnt there be? Its quite normal behaivour ^^ 2) I find your question amusing...
There's a 2 week break from concord if the war drops. Also the entire thing about the weak being picked on in eve, is true. However if they want it to change they gotta be diplomatic make friends, alliances etc.
Regarding the dec fee cost. It varies from the corp size. If you got ~20 members it'll cost 50m to dec that corp per week, if it's ~1000 it's 500M per week. I do believe that the current dec mechanics work fine. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction
Whores in space
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Posted - 2013.04.04 15:25:00 -
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Nikaroo wrote:Ellspeth Murdron wrote:Eve University is... getting schooled? Ya, meanwhile we are basically part of the teacher program.
The problem seems to be.. that they are quite slow learners....... |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction
Whores in space
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Posted - 2013.04.04 15:34:00 -
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Haedonism Bot wrote:Zedrik Cayne wrote:Amyclas Amatin wrote:I'm in so much trouble, it couldn't get any worse. We actually believe that our rules and WSOPs will save us by discouraging war-decs. - It's a don't feed the trolls strategy, we're hoping that folks will get bored and go away. It's carebear thinking... Thing is, it can work. If you are boring enough, it is unprofitable and boring for the wardeccers. And you have to be very...very...*VERY* boring. If your wardeccer gets any kills, or comments in local, at all...You are being entertaining. Since the university is obviously not being boring and providing entertainment. They will continue to get pummelled. That strategy definitely can work for smaller alliances with a good level of discipline, but it has never worked for EVE Uni. The Uni is just too big and too noob heavy for it. There will always be people who just ignore the rules or feel that the rules don't apply to them for some reason. People will still undock in stupid ships and do stupid things, feeding juicy kills to the war targets. Even in the old days when the war SOP was actually enforced this was the case. The directors used to spend all their gametime during wars running around chasing members flying exhumers, haulers and the like, and blowing them up before the war targets could get the chance. The offending members would also be banned for disregarding the SOP, but even so, there was no way to stop the foolish war losses. Managing a noob-friendly corp is like herding cats at the best of times. Also, for high profile corps like the Uni, even if they do everything with a perfect level of discipline, there will always be corps with enough isk that maintaining a wardec indefinitely is no issue. Sure, they can stay locked down and bore you for a week, maybe, but sooner or later they are going to have to undock and do things in space, or their whole organization would become irrelevant. Also, in a related note, Kelduum Revaan just quit as CEO of E-Uni. It will be interesting to see how things change.
Problem is that they try really hard to not learn.
Other day was reading a comment a n uni member did on his own loss at killboad, claiming that he had learned the lesson that he should never undock without 2 warp core stabs ever again.
For god's sake.. its supposed to be an UNIVERSITY, teach those poor souls something! Teach them how to properly move and more important, properly fight and know what hey can fight. Both sides would have a lot more fun with that. A lot of people there could become real PVPers, but only if the Uni start to teach correct things on combat.
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Amyclas Amatin
The Phantom Regiment
THE ROYAL NAVY
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Posted - 2013.04.04 15:36:00 -
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I now have this public opinion survey on high-sec aggression in google-doc form.
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1dLcM27c_qDyOIxFgE4Zan_T8j_eZDDeCUAEL4lwXGC8/viewform
Now, if the C&P folks start giving me responses, I'm going to get some very skewed results. I'm hoping to get more carebear responses. I'll probably publish the results after every week or so.
The post that got me banned from Eve-Uni:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=210049&find=unread |
Amyclas Amatin
The Phantom Regiment
THE ROYAL NAVY
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Posted - 2013.04.04 15:44:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Problem is that they try really hard to not learn.
Other day was reading a comment a n uni member did on his own loss at killboad, claiming that he had learned the lesson that he should never undock without 2 warp core stabs ever again.
For god's sake.. its supposed to be an UNIVERSITY, teach those poor souls something! Teach them how to properly move and more important, properly fight and know what hey can fight. Both sides would have a lot more fun with that. A lot of people there could become real PVPers, but only if the Uni start to teach correct things on combat
When I was in the uni, there was also a lot of fear mongering about elite pvpers using hictors to counter the mighty warp core stab.
The uni is pretty sad. Many of them hate my guts for this post. Those who used to know me are cordial, but many seem to have been taught that I'm a bad guy.
I joined the Uni thinking that I would learn pvp and maybe even do my part, as a week old noob, to defend the Uni against the evil U-Mad. And I have to say that U-Mad is one of the best PVP teachers that the uni has. You learn more from making mistakes and getting ganked by U-Mad then you do by participating in giant roams or "dragon-slaying" fleets. It's a pity that the leadership is so insistent on its right to carebear without interference. That they hide behind newbies to push their carebear politics on the rest of EVE is just shameful.
The post that got me banned from Eve-Uni:
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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction
Whores in space
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Posted - 2013.04.04 18:42:00 -
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Amyclas Amatin wrote: And I have to say that U-Mad is one of the best PVP teachers that the uni has. You learn more from making mistakes and getting ganked by U-Mad then you do by participating in giant roams or "dragon-slaying" fleets. It's a pity that the leadership is so insistent on its right to carebear without interference. That they hide behind newbies to push their carebear politics on the rest of EVE is just shameful.
Always glad to help (not joking). We play for having fun, we are not sociopaths and Uni players could learn a lot paying attention on why they died and what we and others do when they engage in combat. That would give better fights for both sides even!
admitign your own mistakes is the second most important part of learning PVP, the first part is undocking and trying. No one saying its smart for a newbie to use his frigate alone against 7 U-Mad gang. But never undocking without warp core stabs is not the way either. When an Uni pilot dies he should ask to people (in their corp or otside corps) that know to PVP, What they did wrong. Then maybe.. they could learn and have more fun. |
Tarsas Phage
Freight Club
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Posted - 2013.04.04 20:54:00 -
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Amyclas Amatin wrote:
The uni is pretty sad. Many of them hate my guts for this post. Those who used to know me are cordial, but many seem to have been taught that I'm a bad guy.
e-uni does a decent job teaching the mechanics of PVP... and by that I mean general ship fits, how the basic tactical moves such as brawling, kiting and stand-off work, and other such piloting-your-ship theories.
What they fall out on teaching - and it itself a nebulous and very cerebral thing - is the mindset involved in the different arenas of PVP, and how certain frames of mind are invalid for some situations but required for others. This is stuff that's hard to teach let alone hook into, and it all can't be bullet-pointed on a wiki or just hand-waved with a quick explanation. The kicker is that this is where the real confidence stems from. Being able to read a situation, knowing what you might be up against, how to bend it in as much favor to yourself as possible, and so on... all these details which add up to give you a mental picture of the situation you're in or are considering on entering.
I admit that I don't have direct experience inside the uni, but my impression is that, probably for reasons of sheer volume and perhaps the need of brevity, the environment required to learn these mindsets just doesn't exist and that it's very much a follow-the-teacher methodology. It's unfortunate when someone graduates thinking they've covered it all, but then are disappointed or bewildered once outside that controlled environment.
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Zappity
Kurved Space
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Posted - 2013.04.06 22:21:00 -
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Amyclas Amatin wrote:http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Student_Guidance_Department
Oh no, that it just unbearable. I seem to spend most of my work life fighting against this nonsense and to see it in game is just too much.
Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
Hammar Wolf
Money First
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Posted - 2013.04.07 02:35:00 -
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Zappity wrote:Amyclas Amatin wrote:http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Student_Guidance_Department Oh no, that it just unbearable. I seem to spend most of my work life fighting against this nonsense and to see it in game is just too much.
Seems a part of this thread is about Eve Uni, and a part about the actual question on war decs, which may or may not be just an excuse to discuss Eve Uni and UMAD.
- On war decs, there is no such thing as a permanent war dec. There is just a war victim that is unable to find the right configuration of means to end it, and is probably doing the opposite, encouraging a pvp corp to re-up the war dec fee because of the isk and tears they collect. There is always a way to end the war dec. Pay money, hire other pvpers/mercs, stop putting noob pilots into shiny ships.
- The only cost that should be increased is for the jackwagons that declare a war on your target, because they saw how much isk you were extracting in the war reports, and decided to muscle in on the action. Of course, more than likely, they just keep your victims from moving in their isk laden ships by fail jumping into the system and sitting at the undock like clowns.
- Don't know Eve Uni. Have fought with UMAD. Have a feeling we're all going to get to know each other real soon though.
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