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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.27 22:43:00 -
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EI Digin wrote:this post is just a reminder that every time you dodge a wardec you are forcing your style of gameplay on others without them having any sort of recourse
They still have the ability to destroy a war dodgers ship, just at a potentially greater cost. This is the recourse afforded against anyone who undocks. If they don't undock they weren't going to be affected by the wardec anyways. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
624
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Posted - 2013.02.27 23:14:00 -
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Sal Landry wrote:Jensaro Koraka wrote:I agree. War decs should prevent people from leaving the corp that was declared war on until the war is over. I see it as an exploit.
In my oppinion avatars with beards should not be allowed to post on the forums. I see it as an exploit.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
624
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Posted - 2013.02.27 23:22:00 -
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EI Digin wrote:EI Digin wrote:dear all new players:
if i, a three year old grizzled veteran with 3 accounts and a spreadsheet screw you over by making your preferred way to play the game essentially worthless then you're going to have to take the standings hit and be forced out of highsec eventually in order to get revenge
~deal with it~
Though even if those veterans were incapable of evading wardecs they are more capable of setting themselves up in a way that minimizes or nullifies the affect of your wardec. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
624
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Posted - 2013.02.27 23:49:00 -
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EI Digin wrote:let's just ignore the whole part about where a player gets to run other players out of business and the only recourse that player has involves them being thrown out of highsec
instead let's talk about how a three year player isn't a veteran, or how those veteran players can somehow become immune from wardecs and combat, or how it's all about good players shooting noobs
Or we could not pretend every wardec is noobs trying to force veterans out of business (or about economic competition at all) and look at the mechanics as a whole. We could also look at the fact that recovering sec status is (tediously) possible. Or that they could create or buy dedicated alts and not be concerned with the sec status of that character like many already do. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
624
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Posted - 2013.02.28 00:16:00 -
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Lin Suizei wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Or we could not pretend every wardec is noobs trying to force veterans out of business (or about economic competition at all) and look at the mechanics as a whole. We could also look at the fact that recovering sec status is (tediously) possible. Or that they could create or buy dedicated alts and not be concerned with the sec status of that character like many already do. You cannot seriously think that the current system is okay, and highsec PvP should be based on suicide ganking, especially after the repeated nerfs which the fine art of suicide ganking has suffered.
I don't think things are in a good state, and I don't know how to fix it. But at the same time I don't believe locking people into combat situations for indefinite periods is going to be good for the game or the subscription base in the long run. some may be of the opinion that those lost are those the game should lose and will gain back others more "in tune with the true spirit of the game" but I'm not so optimistic. I'd also like to believe the sandbox does have some room for casuals, and locking people into wardecs sems a largely anticasual move.
In the meantime suicide ganking is a legit and workable mechanic. The threshold for profitability has been raised several times admittedly, but all that really means is that there is a disconnect between the level of triviality people believe there should be in doing so and possibly things that weren't initially considered in the meta game. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
624
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Posted - 2013.02.28 01:18:00 -
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EI Digin wrote:Suicide ganking is basically a gigantic artificial hoop that players have to jump through in order to get any sort of reaction out of someone who you don't like, for legitimate reasons or not. It's a huge undertaking if you want to start suicide ganking someone, especially if you are a player who doesn't want to live in lowsec or nullsec, a poor player, or a new player.
Prior to it's most recent nerf(s) subsidizing gankers to promote OTEC profitability was a thing. That said people were doing it quite often without those subsidies prior. Even now it doesn't seem to be limited to only rare and isolated incidents.
Perfectly balanced? Not sure, but there are things I would change. Unworkable and/or terribly intensive? On the scale of activities here, evidence would suggest no unless you were doing something on a large scale. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
626
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Posted - 2013.03.01 22:43:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:
...I'm simply saying that escaping a wardec needs to come with a significant cost since, as CCP has said, Wardecs are about purchasing targets. Docking up for a week is a significant cost. 1.6 million ISK is not.
It could be argued that, with the proliferation of alts, for many wardecs would still remain effectively consensual as they could go about their activities unimpeded on another character. |
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