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William Cane The Black Company LLC 0	Posted - 2013.02.27 10:19:00 - [1] - Quote Okay I have been an Eve player on and off for some time now. Real life hass taken up a great deal of time for me. Due to the lack of time and lack of good in-game contacts I have not ventured too far into low Sec, Null sec, or WH space. But I have fun with what I do. My main source of income is mining and mission running with a small ammount of exploration. Again I have a good time with Eve. That is until today. I have herd about "Bot Miners" from other players over the years, and never really knew how to recognize one to be honest. Recently this changed. I noticed some 'players' who were all in the same 4 person Corp logging in and, each, going out to different asteroid belts. Where they would do a little mining and then go to another belt, do some mining there and go to another belt, then dock up. Undock....and well starting over. However, they were running the same route each time. No defensive measures were made agains the random NPC "belt rats" that would show up. This sparked several hours worth of attempts were made to get some sort of a response out of each of these 'players', but nothing. This turned into several days worth of efforts to get any sort of response out of ANY of the Corp members, again this achieved nothing. These 'players' routinely went from location to location mining. Over and over and over, for hours, never staying in one belt for too long. But going to the same belts each time. So the War was initiated. So now I joind my friends Corp. I thought this might be interesting, never done this before. The War starts! A Mackinaw, and 2 Retrievers were popped, along with 2 pods. There was NO attempt what so ever made to defend themselves untill the 4 ship was attacked, and it managed to run away. Now considering 4 seperate asteroid belts had to be gone to, in order to find..... approach.... and attack each one of the targets. Each pilot logged out shortly after this. Within a couple minuets each of the pilot logged back in, and logged back out. This happened several times. Then I get a eve-mail from CONCORD. It announces that the war is over, they surrendered. The War lasted like an hour!!! How dose the war last an hour??!! I thought for 50mil it was suppose to last a week. Unless one side surrendered and paied an agreed ammount or that it was agreed to call it off. +(which did not happen)+ Even then there is a 24h time peroid until the fighting stops. Apparently this is not the case. I do not think that if a Corp is IN, or Pending a wardeck it should be allowed to just "Close", so that ALL of the members are placed into a default NPC Corp. At least untill the War is over. Because this maks them safe and sound to continue on about thier merry way. Now the only way I can see the War only lasting 1h is that the 'bot controler' happened to noticed the pending wardec, and closed the Corp about 1h after getting it. Then ended up with some losses due to poor time management, bad composit risk management skills, or just did not care if there were any losses. Especially if the profit margin was high enough to not be a n issue. However, I beieve that this is an exploit of the Wardec mechanics and needs to be fixed. As this has allowed this person controling these 'players' to continue to rake in loads of ISk. Further more I know that Bot Reports have been filed on all 4 of these 'players', but nothing has been done as of yet. But they are all now in Default NPC Corps back out Bot mining away, even as I type this, with no way to stop them. So, with some of the more recent changes made to the game. Like the removal of the meta 0 items and the changes in the dron loot drop. That were done to help fix the game market. Why has what appears to be very little been done about this?
Debora Tsung The Investment Bankers Guild 63	Posted - 2013.02.27 10:21:00 - [2] - Quote [quote=William Cane]found some botsquote] Report them, have fun seeing the bot accounts getting permabanned. Take all the rocks for Yourself. Profit. There's nothing a million chinese guys can't do cheaper.
Whitehound 1022	Posted - 2013.02.27 10:42:00 - [3] - Quote Does one need a permit to stalk miners or is this yet unregulated? Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Benny Ohu Chaotic Tranquility Casoff 862	Posted - 2013.02.27 10:45:00 - [4] - Quote closing a wardecced corp is a stupid way to completely evade a wardec ccp apparently allows it because they think it's somehow difficult or inconvenient to recycle the corp wardecs are a joke
GreenSeed 229	Posted - 2013.02.27 10:50:00 - [5] - Quote 1- check the warp ins, once you find the warp in, stand on it and sort belts type and distance to see what he will mine next 2- exhaust one of the next roids to the point one cycle is left in it. 3- watch the bot mine it in one cycle, but remain in belt doing nothing for minutes. 4- ????? 5- disregard possible profit from ganking the bot, and recognize that doing the gank would legitimize the botting activity by not attacking the source of it, but instead fulfilling the role of the statistically predicted ganker, on the cost/benefit equation the botter already calculated before beginning his operations. and instead, report him providing full details on your observations. break the cycle.
Jonah Gravenstein Universal Corporate Repossession Inc. 6005	Posted - 2013.02.27 10:58:00 - [6] - Quote You can still mess with them, even if they are hiding in an NPC corp, you can mine stuff out from under them as above, you can bump them away from mining range, or clean out of belts, a Stabber with a MWD is an excellent choice for doing both, or you could hire people who would suicide gank their own grandmothers for isk to do it for you. Eve in a nutshell, it's you vs the universe, and everybody in it.
Dante Uisen Push button receive bacon 143	Posted - 2013.02.27 11:13:00 - [7] - Quote Benny Ohu wrote: wardecs are a joke didn't ccp mention something about their vision of wardecs and hi-sec corporations, was that the war should be mutual.
Rex Aparte The Scope Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2013.02.27 11:59:00 - [8] - Quote Thinks the point of wardecs are for mining or indy or noob corps - check Whines when said corp uses game mechanics to get out of a wardec they don't want to be in - check Even calls it an exploit and wants game changed so corps that don't want to be at war get "trapped" for at least a week. - check I find it so funny that people are a. proud of their "wardecs" and b. surprised when their foe doesn't want to fight, and cry about it all day long on the forums. As someone smarter than me said, go ahead and wardec the best hisec merc alliance. I guarantee you they won't try and get out of it. But then again, that won't give you the easymode free kills you're looking for. Then it would you docking up and dissolving your corp instantly. Cry. Moar. If they are indeed botters, petition them, wardeccing them does nothing to help your cause.
Dante Uisen Push button receive bacon 143	Posted - 2013.02.27 12:35:00 - [9] - Quote Rex Aparte wrote: I find it so funny that people are a. proud of their "wardecs" and b. surprised when their foe doesn't want to fight, and cry about it all day long on the forums. As someone smarter than me said, go ahead and wardec the best hisec merc alliance. I guarantee you they won't try and get out of it. But then again, that won't give you the easymode free kills you're looking for. Then it would you docking up and dissolving your corp instantly. Cry. Moar. I'm not sure we are playing the same game, eve online is supposedly taking place in a cold and harsh universe, it should be possible to wardec player run corporations.
Whitehound 1022	Posted - 2013.02.27 12:39:00 - [10] - Quote Dante Uisen wrote: I'm not sure we are playing the same game, eve online is supposedly taking place in a cold and harsh universe, it should be possible to wardec player run corporations. And this the OP did, they surrendered and yet was it not what he wanted. It is true that it is a cold and harsh universe. It just is not a stupid one. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Benny Ohu Chaotic Tranquility Casoff 863	Posted - 2013.02.27 12:44:00 - [11] - Quote Dante Uisen wrote: Benny Ohu wrote: wardecs are a joke didn't ccp mention something about their vision of wardecs and hi-sec corporations, was that the war should be mutual. that was a point of discussion in the csm minutes. i don't think it's an actual thing.
Skeln Thargensen The Scope Gallente Federation 41	Posted - 2013.02.27 12:45:00 - [12] - Quote really it's your own fault if you haven't checked out the corp and its history before wasting money. is that cold and harsh enough for you? I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want.
Spurty V0LTA Verge of Collapse 808	Posted - 2013.02.27 12:51:00 - [13] - Quote If an alliance costs 1bill to form, shouldn't a corp cost "something" as well? Should be relatively more painful to close a corp and start a new one than to survive through a wardec. Meh, the entire Corp/Alliance and standings of Blues/Reds/Greys needs some loving. Way too cheap (0 ISK) to move things around. --- GÇ£If you think this Universe is bad, you should see some of the others.GÇ¥ GÇò Philip K. ****
Skeln Thargensen The Scope Gallente Federation 41	Posted - 2013.02.27 12:55:00 - [14] - Quote that's a good point, it;s ridiculously cheap and easy to start a corp. I did it myself for a hoot, think it was 8 minutes training and a million or so ISK. I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want.
Dante Uisen Push button receive bacon 143	Posted - 2013.02.27 12:55:00 - [15] - Quote Spurty wrote: If an alliance costs 1bill to form, shouldn't a corp cost "something" as well? i think i costs 1-2M to form a corporation.
Benny Ohu Chaotic Tranquility Casoff 863	Posted - 2013.02.27 12:57:00 - [16] - Quote Spurty wrote: If an alliance costs 1bill to form, shouldn't a corp cost "something" as well? Should be relatively more painful to close a corp and start a new one than to survive through a wardec. Meh, the entire Corp/Alliance and standings of Blues/Reds/Greys needs some loving. Way too cheap (0 ISK) to move things around. it costs an entire 1.6 millions of isk sighs
Aren Madigan EVE University Ivy League 137	Posted - 2013.02.27 13:02:00 - [17] - Quote Sounds more like an anti-social guy with a routine rather than a botter if he reacted that quickly after facing a real threat... I mean, rats are weak enough where yeah, a high end miner can just shrug them off, so them not defending themselves isn't actually all that surprising. Could be a botter who kept nearby his computer though, but I wouldn't jump to this assumption unless the time between his warps was pretty even. TL;DR: A bot isn't just someone with a routine and doesn't respond to you. Although yeah, really should get a wardec refund in this situation.
Whitehound 1023	Posted - 2013.02.27 13:07:00 - [18] - Quote Benny Ohu wrote: Spurty wrote: If an alliance costs 1bill to form, shouldn't a corp cost "something" as well? Should be relatively more painful to close a corp and start a new one than to survive through a wardec. Meh, the entire Corp/Alliance and standings of Blues/Reds/Greys needs some loving. Way too cheap (0 ISK) to move things around. it costs an entire 1.6 millions of isk sighs It costs 1.6m ISKs for a few friends to start something and 50m ISKs for a loner to hate them for it. ... Working as intended. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Rex Aparte The Scope Gallente Federation 12	Posted - 2013.02.27 13:16:00 - [19] - Quote Dante Uisen wrote: Rex Aparte wrote: I find it so funny that people are a. proud of their "wardecs" and b. surprised when their foe doesn't want to fight, and cry about it all day long on the forums. As someone smarter than me said, go ahead and wardec the best hisec merc alliance. I guarantee you they won't try and get out of it. But then again, that won't give you the easymode free kills you're looking for. Then it would you docking up and dissolving your corp instantly. Cry. Moar. I'm not sure we are playing the same game, eve online is supposedly taking place in a cold and harsh universe, it should be possible to wardec player run corporations. Wow, first time I've ever seen someone miss their own point.
TheGunslinger42 All Web Investigations 1015	Posted - 2013.02.27 13:20:00 - [20] - Quote You've unfortunately stumbled upon the problems of corp hopping during war decs and npc corps in general. Good luck trying to get CCP to fix them, we've been trying for years :(

TheGunslinger42 All Web Investigations 1015	Posted - 2013.02.27 13:25:00 - [21] - Quote Rex Aparte wrote: Thinks the point of wardecs are for mining or indy or noob corps - check The purpose of war decs is to let me fight anyone I want even in highsec. Be that because they're botters, or because they're part of the logistics for null sec operations, or because they insulted me, or because of any other reason at all. The point of war decs is to let you fight someone. That's it. You can be butthurt if someone targets "weak" corps, but thats up to them - it is not, as you incorrectly imply - missing the "point" of war decs. It's absolutely on point. War decs do not and should not have a requirement to be "fair fights", or mutually agreed upon, despite what some themeparking idiots (including the odd csm member or ccp dev) says.
Skeln Thargensen The Scope Gallente Federation 41	Posted - 2013.02.27 13:28:00 - [22] - Quote TheGunslinger42 wrote: [quote=Rex Aparte]The purpose of war decs is to let me fight anyone I want even in highsec. Be that because they're botters, or because they're part of the logistics for null sec operations, or because they insulted me, or because of any other reason at all. The point of war decs is to let you fight someone. That's it. You can be butthurt if someone targets "weak" corps, but thats up to them - it is not, as you incorrectly imply - missing the "point" of war decs. It's absolutely on point. War decs have and should not have a requirement to be "fair fights", or mutually agreed upon, despite what some themeparking idiots (including the odd csm member or ccp dev) says. This is incorrect, read the definition. Wars are between corp and alliance entities not players. I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want.
Tub Chil Last Men Standing 33	Posted - 2013.02.27 13:31:00 - [23] - Quote Dante Uisen wrote: Benny Ohu wrote: wardecs are a joke didn't ccp mention something about their vision of wardecs and hi-sec corporations, was that the war should be mutual. lol mutual war
Whitehound 1023	Posted - 2013.02.27 13:34:00 - [24] - Quote TheGunslinger42 wrote: You've unfortunately stumbled upon the problems of corp hopping during war decs and npc corps in general. Good luck trying to get CCP to fix them, we've been trying for years :( They have fixed it in so far that a corporation will take a war with them if they were in an alliance. However, there should not be any mechanic stopping players from going back into an NPC corporation, because it will only lead to a play style where this becomes a method for making players quit. ... Better learn to know when you have won, because it is important for not being a loser. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Rex Aparte The Scope Gallente Federation 12	Posted - 2013.02.27 13:37:00 - [25] - Quote TheGunslinger42 wrote: Rex Aparte wrote: Thinks the point of wardecs are for mining or indy or noob corps - check The purpose of war decs is to let me fight anyone I want even in highsec. Be that because they're botters, or because they're part of the logistics for null sec operations, or because they insulted me, or because of any other reason at all. The point of war decs is to let you fight someone. That's it. You can be butthurt if someone targets "weak" corps, but thats up to them - it is not, as you incorrectly imply - missing the "point" of war decs. It's absolutely on point. War decs do not and should not have a requirement to be "fair fights", or mutually agreed upon, despite what some themeparking idiots (including the odd csm member or ccp dev) says. Is butthurt that the weak people he wardecs, can get out of said wardecs. - check You're missing my point entirely. Wardec whoever the hell you want. Just don't cry about it when the mining corp you wardecced surprisingly doesn't want to fight you! Wardeccing those corps is an option, but not the point. If you wardec someone who doesn't want to fight you, expect to be disappointed. Who's the real carebear? The guy who uses game mechanics to his advantage, or the guy who cries on the forums about not being able to do whatever he wants, without a counter?
dexington Caldari Provisions Caldari State 581	Posted - 2013.02.27 13:45:00 - [26] - Quote Rex Aparte wrote: Who's the real carebear? The guy who uses game mechanics to his advantage, or the guy who cries on the forums about not being able to do whatever he wants, without a counter? I'll say the guy whining when ccp fixes corp jumping is the real carebear. GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥
Rex Aparte The Scope Gallente Federation 12	Posted - 2013.02.27 13:49:00 - [27] - Quote dexington wrote: Rex Aparte wrote: Who's the real carebear? The guy who uses game mechanics to his advantage, or the guy who cries on the forums about not being able to do whatever he wants, without a counter? I'll say the guy whining when ccp fixes corp jumping is the real carebear. Assumes CCP agrees with his views on the game - check There will always be a counter. Cry all you want, I'll get some tissues. Oh noes, you're not a GM alt are you? Edit: I'll go one step further and explain it. Here is the definition of a carebear: A carebear is a person who knows what the counter is but refuses to use it. Doesn't tank his mining vessel (doesn't buy a permit), doesn't check dscan, doesn't scout, etc etc on and on.
Kristopher Rocancourt Quality Assurance The Marmite Collective 59	Posted - 2013.02.27 13:55:00 - [28] - Quote Benny Ohu wrote: closing a wardecced corp is a stupid way to completely evade a wardec ccp apparently allows it because they think it's somehow difficult or inconvenient to recycle the corp wardecs are a joke if you are a spineless wimp that succumbs to threats by running like a scalded cat.
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 3544	Posted - 2013.02.27 13:56:00 - [29] - Quote Wow. I could have typed the same OP in relation to 2 groups of miners out here in 'nowhere Ammatar'. CCP is condoning this idiotic behavior because they are Boxing, not Botting. But it indeed has the same ultimate destructive effect on the game. EVE is becoming crowded, and the startling lack of resources and things to do for the industrialist that has developed over the past 8 months or so, is not a great way to retain players. New players choosing the Industrial career path will eventually unsubscribe do to boredom caused by these botters AND boxers sucking up an unbalanced amount of resources. Edit: 2 typos. When I'm angry I typo. Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.-á-á-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde - 1870's
March rabbit player corp n1 569	Posted - 2013.02.27 13:57:00 - [30] - Quote Dante Uisen wrote: Rex Aparte wrote: I find it so funny that people are a. proud of their "wardecs" and b. surprised when their foe doesn't want to fight, and cry about it all day long on the forums. As someone smarter than me said, go ahead and wardec the best hisec merc alliance. I guarantee you they won't try and get out of it. But then again, that won't give you the easymode free kills you're looking for. Then it would you docking up and dissolving your corp instantly. Cry. Moar. I'm not sure we are playing the same game, eve online is supposedly taking place in a cold and harsh universe, it should be possible to wardec player run corporations. you have wardecs. enjoy.



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