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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
863
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Posted - 2013.02.27 14:02:00 -
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Kristopher Rocancourt wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:closing a wardecced corp is a stupid way to completely evade a wardec
ccp apparently allows it because they think it's somehow difficult or inconvenient to recycle the corp
wardecs are a joke if you are a spineless wimp that succumbs to threats by running like a scalded cat. imma having trouble understanding the intent of your post
also how does cat without spine run  |

dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
581
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Posted - 2013.02.27 14:07:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:Dante Uisen wrote:Rex Aparte wrote:I find it so funny that people are a. proud of their "wardecs" and b. surprised when their foe doesn't want to fight, and cry about it all day long on the forums. As someone smarter than me said, go ahead and wardec the best hisec merc alliance. I guarantee you they won't try and get out of it. But then again, that won't give you the easymode free kills you're looking for. Then it would you docking up and dissolving your corp instantly. Cry. Moar. I'm not sure we are playing the same game, eve online is supposedly taking place in a cold and harsh universe, it should be possible to wardec player run corporations. you have wardecs. enjoy.
It's nothing more then a corporation dueling option, where you are allowed to refuse the invitation. GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥ |

March rabbit
player corp n1
569
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Posted - 2013.02.27 14:37:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:Rex Aparte wrote:Thinks the point of wardecs are for mining or indy or noob corps - check The purpose of war decs is to let me fight anyone I want even in highsec. Be that because they're botters, or because they're part of the logistics for null sec operations, or because they insulted me, or because of any other reason at all. you already can fight anyone you want in high-sec. Just turn your switchers to RED and have fun
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
1754
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Posted - 2013.02.27 14:38:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Kristopher Rocancourt wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:closing a wardecced corp is a stupid way to completely evade a wardec
ccp apparently allows it because they think it's somehow difficult or inconvenient to recycle the corp
wardecs are a joke if you are a spineless wimp that succumbs to threats by running like a scalded cat. imma having trouble understanding the intent of your post also how does cat without spine run 
The cat was scalded, the wimp was spineless. Don't mix your metaphors.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |

Whitehound
1024
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Posted - 2013.02.27 14:42:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:EVE is becoming crowded, and the startling lack of resources and things to do for the industrialist that has developed over the past 8 months or so, is not a great way to retain players. I agree with you as far as EVE is getting crowded. EVE is now back at the player numbers it used to be 2 years ago.
This means the resources will become thinner, but we only have been living in fat times when it comes to the size and number of untouched belts.
The price for Tritanium used to be as low as 3-4 ISKs not too long ago and only now with the increased player numbers beginning with December is the price for it slowly decreasing again. It is just a few weeks ago when one could sell billions of Tritanium for more than 6 ISKs per unit. The price is slowly decreasing and it is staying below the 6 ISKs mark now.
If there was a shortage in minerals then this would not be possible, but the price would continue to increase and run off. Rather is the demand now being met. Once the mineral prices drop further will the amount of mining find a balance of its own.
TL;DR: The economy is in full swing and a few wheels are squeaking and aching to underline its awesome performance. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |

dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
581
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Posted - 2013.02.27 14:53:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:The price for Tritanium used to be as low as 3-4 ISKs not too long ago and only now with the increased player numbers beginning with December is the price for it slowly decreasing again. It is just a few weeks ago when one could sell billions of Tritanium for more than 6 ISKs per unit. The price is slowly decreasing and it is staying below the 6 ISKs mark now.
3-4 isk trit has not been seen since the end or 2011 start of 2012, that was when the trit prices started to grow, and was in the last quarter of 2012 the sell price started to stabilized around 6 to 6.3.
But the supply also seemed to stabilize, which would explain why the price did the same. GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥ |

GreenSeed
231
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Posted - 2013.02.27 15:05:00 -
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say a player cant run from a wardec, when is the war over? is it when he cant undock anymore? and if so, hows that any different from griefing?
eve is a cold harsh place, but griefing will get you banned. |

Whitehound
1025
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Posted - 2013.02.27 15:09:00 -
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dexington wrote:3-4 isk trit has not been seen since the end or 2011 start of 2012, that was when the trit prices started to grow, and was in the last quarter of 2012 the sell price started to stabilized around 6 to 6.3.
But the supply also seemed to stabilize, which would explain why the price did the same. When you look at the volumes for Tritanium in The Forge (Jita) then you will see a small increase in the volumes, which runs pretty much in parallel with the player numbers as seen on Chribba's EVE-Offline website. One can see the increase in volume either in the market history when in The Forge or in the 180-day history on EVE-Markets.net. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |

0Lona 0ltor
Red Sky Morning BricK sQuAD.
31
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Posted - 2013.02.27 15:22:00 -
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Deal with facts.
1) CCP don't want you to PVP in high sec. Source from CCP and proof. A)Mining barge buff B) Boomerang manouvre closed C) Constant switching of War dec Mechanics in favour of defender D) Ability for defenders to drop corp/allince during war decs E) The cost of war Decs and the fact the price goes up on bigger entities (makes zero sense) F) Orca ship transfers nerfed in high G) Global flag system for looting ect, ect...
2) CCP don't care about botting unless yoit's RMT related. Source from CCP and proof. A) Botting is NOT a bannable offence, only after your third warning will CCP even contemplate banning you. B) Mining Barge Buff C) Failure of CCP to implement VAC style or mouse movement software that would detect automated programs with ease. D) CCP still allowing multibox programs
Anyway it would not be fair to ban botting at this stage in the game, the majority of eve's in game items have been constructed from macro's and bots. The only way to implement a true ban on botting would be a complete server restart and that's not going to happen.
Hate the game not the player, if you can't beat them join them HTFU. |

Alana Charen-Teng
The Stars Like Dust
297
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Posted - 2013.02.27 15:33:00 -
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William Cane wrote:Further more I know that Bot Reports have been filed on all 4 of these 'players', but nothing has been done as of yet. But they are all now in Default NPC Corps back out Bot mining away, even as I type this, with no way to stop them. The only way to interfere with them is suicide ganking. Wardecs are effectively useless, because anyone can immediately drop out of a corporation to avoid it. |
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Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
102
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Posted - 2013.02.27 15:39:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Wow. I could have typed the same OP in relation to 2 groups of miners out here in 'nowhere Ammatar'.
CCP is condoning this idiotic behavior because they are Boxing, not Botting. But it indeed has the same ultimate destructive effect on the game. EVE is becoming crowded, and the startling lack of resources and things to do for the industrialist that has developed over the past 8 months or so, is not a great way to retain players.
New players choosing the Industrial career path will eventually unsubscribe do to boredom caused by these botters AND boxers sucking up an unbalanced amount of resources.
Edit: 2 typos. When I'm angry I typo.
For me it's meant it's often easier to just buy the minerals for my limited manufacturing than mine them myself |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3544
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Posted - 2013.02.27 15:53:00 -
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Ruskarn Andedare wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Wow. I could have typed the same OP in relation to 2 groups of miners out here in 'nowhere Ammatar'.
CCP is condoning this idiotic behavior because they are Boxing, not Botting. But it indeed has the same ultimate destructive effect on the game. EVE is becoming crowded, and the startling lack of resources and things to do for the industrialist that has developed over the past 8 months or so, is not a great way to retain players.
New players choosing the Industrial career path will eventually unsubscribe do to boredom caused by these botters AND boxers sucking up an unbalanced amount of resources.
Edit: 2 typos. When I'm angry I typo. For me it's meant it's often easier to just buy the minerals for my limited manufacturing than mine them myself
So what ?
Someone has to get them, or did you forget that little part of the equation ? Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.-á-á-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde - 1870's |

dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
581
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Posted - 2013.02.27 17:25:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:dexington wrote:3-4 isk trit has not been seen since the end or 2011 start of 2012, that was when the trit prices started to grow, and was in the last quarter of 2012 the sell price started to stabilized around 6 to 6.3.
But the supply also seemed to stabilize, which would explain why the price did the same. When you look at the volumes for Tritanium in The Forge (Jita) then you will see a small increase in the volumes, which runs pretty much in parallel with the player numbers as seen on Chribba's EVE-Offline website. One can see the increase in volume either in the market history when in The Forge or in the 180-day history on EVE-Markets.net.
Try setting the history to 540 days on eve-markets.net. GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥ |

Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
174
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Posted - 2013.02.27 17:32:00 -
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William Cane wrote:Further more I know that Bot Reports have been filed on all 4 of these 'players', but nothing has been done as of yet. But they are all now in Default NPC Corps back out Bot mining away, even as I type this, with no way to stop them.
Man up and gank them.
Or pay someone that will. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |

0Lona 0ltor
Red Sky Morning BricK sQuAD.
31
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Posted - 2013.02.27 17:46:00 -
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Why do you want to gank the bots? They provide cheap minerals for you, If you feel your lagging behind in mineral production or in ISK set yourself up in a belt or null sec annom too.
I'd rather not have bots in the game and I'd like to see war dec's fixed so the defenders can not simply drop corps but none of these things are going to happen as CCP is not willing to lose paying customers such as botters and high sec war dodge bears.
If you can't beat them join them, it's ace you'll get all the isk you need to plex as many accounts as you want and be able to afford the isk to do anything you want.
Just listen to CCP warnings and all your accounts will be fine if they tell you to stop your macro then stop it, if not it's cool and the golden rule is never ever sell a single ISK for external game currency or they'll insta ban any accounts they can link to you. BTW this also includes giving ISK away free to your corp mates. That's how the EVE uni lad got banned. He never got banned for botting he got perma'd for RMT well charity RMT.
CCP's policy is perma ban RMT'rs |

Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
1642
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Posted - 2013.02.27 17:53:00 -
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Dante Uisen wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:wardecs are a joke didn't ccp mention something about their vision of wardecs and hi-sec corporations, was that the war should be mutual. I think they meant wars are already mutual in that no fighting occurs unless both sides stay in their respective corps and undock. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2902
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Posted - 2013.02.27 18:46:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:[quote=Rex Aparte]The purpose of war decs is to let me fight anyone I want even in highsec. Be that because they're botters, or because they're part of the logistics for null sec operations, or because they insulted me, or because of any other reason at all.
The point of war decs is to let you fight someone. That's it. You can be butthurt if someone targets "weak" corps, but thats up to them - it is not, as you incorrectly imply - missing the "point" of war decs. It's absolutely on point.
War decs have and should not have a requirement to be "fair fights", or mutually agreed upon, despite what some themeparking idiots (including the odd csm member or ccp dev) says.
This is incorrect, read the definition. Wars are between corp and alliance entities not players.
With the new Wardec Pricing model, CCP has explicitly stated that wardecs are about buying targets. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
454

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Posted - 2013.02.27 19:13:00 -
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Locked for cleaning up. ISD LackOfFaith Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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EI Digin
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
549
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Posted - 2013.02.27 19:45:00 -
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this post is just a reminder that every time you dodge a wardec you are forcing your style of gameplay on others without them having any sort of recourse |

EI Digin
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
549
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Posted - 2013.02.27 19:49:00 -
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dear all new players:
if i, a three year old grizzled veteran with 3 accounts and a spreadsheet screw you over by making your preferred way to play the game essentially worthless then you're going to have to take the standings hit and be forced out of highsec eventually in order to get revenge
~deal with it~ |
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Whitehound
1031
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Posted - 2013.02.27 20:13:00 -
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EI Digin wrote:this post is just a reminder that every time you dodge a wardec you are forcing your style of gameplay on others without them having any sort of recourse Nonsense. You are demanding a war and then fail to understand the meaning of a surrender. In order for you to demand a recourse will you first need to have a goal in your war. If your goal was not a surrender then you are playing the game wrong and not knowing how to play a game is not a play style but only dumb. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |

Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
447
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Posted - 2013.02.27 20:16:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Does one need a permit to stalk miners or is this yet unregulated?
I think it's optional....
The single biggest danger to EVE is the proliferation of ALTS! Kill an alt today!
Petition for a Minimum bounty of 10 mil. Prevent useless bounties!
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EI Digin
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
549
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Posted - 2013.02.27 20:30:00 -
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i surrender *completely ignores the aggressor and continues to do whatever they want*
working as intended |

Whitehound
1032
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Posted - 2013.02.27 20:45:00 -
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EI Digin wrote:i surrender *completely ignores the aggressor and continues to do whatever they want*
working as intended When you believe others should not continue to play the game then you are quite wrong, because without others would you be playing it alone. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |

Skeln Thargensen
The Scope Gallente Federation
41
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Posted - 2013.02.27 20:47:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:With the new Wardec Pricing model, CCP has explicitly stated that wardecs are about buying targets.
explicit or implicit? but of an odd use of language there.
it's still the corp that you're paying to declare war upon, not the players. just because you pay extra because it's a larger corp with more members doesn't mean those members are going to stick around or that you have any rights on them, which you don't. I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want. |

Jensaro Koraka
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.02.27 22:05:00 -
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William Cane wrote: I do not think that if a Corp is IN, or Pending a wardeck it should be allowed to just "Close", so that ALL of the members are placed into a default NPC Corp. At least untill the War is over. Because this maks them safe and sound to continue on about thier merry way.
Now the only way I can see the War only lasting 1h is that the 'bot controler' happened to noticed the pending wardec, and closed the Corp about 1h after getting it. Then ended up with some losses due to poor time management, bad composit risk management skills, or just did not care if there were any losses. Especially if the profit margin was high enough to not be a n issue. However, I beieve that this is an exploit of the Wardec mechanics and needs to be fixed. As this has allowed this person controling these 'players' to continue to rake in loads of ISk.
I agree. War decs should prevent people from leaving the corp that was declared war on until the war is over. I see it as an exploit.
"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -H.L. Mencken |

Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
624
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Posted - 2013.02.27 22:43:00 -
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EI Digin wrote:this post is just a reminder that every time you dodge a wardec you are forcing your style of gameplay on others without them having any sort of recourse They still have the ability to destroy a war dodgers ship, just at a potentially greater cost. This is the recourse afforded against anyone who undocks. If they don't undock they weren't going to be affected by the wardec anyways. |

Skeln Thargensen
The Scope Gallente Federation
41
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Posted - 2013.02.27 22:55:00 -
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yeah the only non-consensual PvP in highsec is the suicide gank, which is most certainly not an exploit.
it can also fail and give you a lolly exhumer killmail which is always delicious. I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want. |

Sal Landry
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
41
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Posted - 2013.02.27 23:10:00 -
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Jensaro Koraka wrote:I agree. War decs should prevent people from leaving the corp that was declared war on until the war is over. I see it as an exploit.
In my oppinion avatars with beards should not be allowed to post on the forums. I see it as an exploit. |

Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
624
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Posted - 2013.02.27 23:14:00 -
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Sal Landry wrote:Jensaro Koraka wrote:I agree. War decs should prevent people from leaving the corp that was declared war on until the war is over. I see it as an exploit.
In my oppinion avatars with beards should not be allowed to post on the forums. I see it as an exploit.
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