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Skarp Severasse
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.27 16:21:00 -
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I have a tough one for you. In my research to fit my Incursus, I came across a web/scram blaster Atron at Loadout Browser (top rated fit). The damage output is spectacular, and range is above and beyond a normal frigate. But it wants to hug me in its foul tentacles.
Here is the scenario: You fly the Incursus and it is caught within the Atron's web / scram range. You are both webbing each other, but the Atron is faster. How will you fit / pilot your incursus to get out of that predicament?
Bonus if you use the Incursus fit below as a starting point, but any solution would do - as long as you pilot an Incursus.
============ Incursus starting point (Keep in mind that the fit is made for a character with 1.7M skill points.):
[High-Slots] 125mm Railgun II (Both long- and short-range ammo in cargo) 125mm Railgun II (Both long- and short-range ammo in cargo) 125mm Railgun II (Both long- and short-range ammo in cargo)
[Mid-Slots] 1MN Afterburner II J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
[Low-Slots] Small Armor Repairer II Adaptive Nano Plating II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II
[Rigs] Small Semi-Conductor Memory Cell I Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
[Drones] Hobgoblin I * 1
============ Your opponent's Atron: See this fit at Loadout Browser. |
monkfish2345
Perkone Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2013.02.27 16:42:00 -
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As i said in the previous thread, in the situation given above your are almost certainly dead.
given the option to refit slightly. either
1) change the AB for an MWD (i'm at work so i can;t see how it impacts fitting sry) scram for distruptor. Then you will need to use a little bit of manual piloting skill to maintain range between 12 - 20km. and pick away at him from range. if he attempts to run towards as he dies, close in web and short range ammo to finish. keeping the web is ok, becasue it offers you a little protection if you make a mistake and need to slow his approach. (by overheating you can potentially stop him getting into scram range while you mwd out again.)
2) change the rails for blasters and duke it out toe to toe. Not alot to this other than be prepared to miss out if he decided to bug out as he will still be able to pull range if he gives himself enough time. your drone may be the differance in this instance, but chances are if he runs there wont be much you can do. |
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
652
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Posted - 2013.02.27 17:02:00 -
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Burn away from him. If you get a web/scram on him early, it will take him some time to approach. If he has a MWD, you'll be able to control range completely. If he does close range, load Javelin ammo and try to manually pilot your way to low transversal velocity. |
Merdaneth
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2013.02.27 18:45:00 -
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Drop your point, fit a 2nd webifier. You are now able to dictate range. With only some 2300 EHP, he'll be dead before he notices what is going on and can warp out |
Skarp Severasse
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.27 23:29:00 -
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I appreciate all your input! Really, it has been very educational. |
Trinkets friend
Minmatar-Amarr Man-Boy Love Association
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Posted - 2013.02.27 23:40:00 -
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OGB's. As the pro-OGB crowd will tell you, it allows the lone pilot to even the odds against a blob - and a webscram Atron is clearly a blob.
But seriously, the Incursus is a bait tank. You can't kill anything, but they can't kill you before your mates arrive. Make sure you have mates. Taking submissions for "Trinkets friendly Advice Column" via evemail or private convo in-game. Anonymity sorta guaranteed. http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2013.02.27 23:51:00 -
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Pull range and kill him, its generally not hard.
OH ab from the beginning against attack frigs.
Also ignore trinket Beyond Divinity Recruitment is open! |
Destru Kaneda
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2013.02.28 08:49:00 -
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What are you talking about? I have killed plenty in my Incursus. Music for robots, geeks, hackers, and nerds. Nerdiest homepage on the internet? |
Dread Operative
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
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Posted - 2013.02.28 10:45:00 -
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Align away and OH, his transversal will drop as he tries to keep up. Make sure to have Jav loaded. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
597
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Posted - 2013.02.28 11:41:00 -
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Dread Operative wrote:Align away and OH, his transversal will drop as he tries to keep up. Make sure to have Jav loaded.
AM is fine, don't need jav. Beyond Divinity Recruitment is open! |
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Dread Operative
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
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Posted - 2013.02.28 12:11:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:Dread Operative wrote:Align away and OH, his transversal will drop as he tries to keep up. Make sure to have Jav loaded. AM is fine, don't need jav.
True, but he is scram range kiting, perfectly pairing with 125mm/Jav. Might as well take advantage of the tracking bonus.
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
597
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Posted - 2013.02.28 14:27:00 -
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Dread Operative wrote:Garviel Tarrant wrote:Dread Operative wrote:Align away and OH, his transversal will drop as he tries to keep up. Make sure to have Jav loaded. AM is fine, don't need jav. True, but he is scram range kiting, perfectly pairing with 125mm/Jav. Might as well take advantage of the tracking bonus.
Yea i'm just saying generally there is no reason to wait the 5 seconds to switch ammo. If you just align, OH and shoot the slasher will die.. Of if that doesn't work Oh, align, shoot, then when hes following do a 180 and it should give you enough range to pound him (Can be useful in case of tracking speed scripted td's) Beyond Divinity Recruitment is open! |
Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide.
133
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Posted - 2013.02.28 14:34:00 -
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I used to like the incursus, then I saw an episode of full metal jousting on the military channel and I concluded that having a jousting pole randomly attached to the front of your ship makes you look like a massive bender.
So now I have navy comets, much more shapely and just as fun to fly. |
Trinkets friend
Minmatar-Amarr Man-Boy Love Association
945
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Posted - 2013.02.28 23:34:00 -
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One may adjudge the sexual puissance of one's foes by the length of their poles, I do declare. As the Coment hath no pole, verily one must cast aspersions on the virility and fecundity of any insouciant chaps who fly Comets. Taking submissions for "Trinkets friendly Advice Column" via evemail or private convo in-game. Anonymity sorta guaranteed. http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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God's Apples
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2013.02.28 23:53:00 -
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I already answered your question in your other thread. |
IbanezLaney
the church of awesome Caldari State Capturing
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Posted - 2013.03.01 03:37:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:One may adjudge the sexual puissance of one's foes by the length of their poles, I do declare. As the Coment hath no pole, verily one must cast aspersions on the virility and fecundity of any insouciant chaps who fly Comets.
This man has seen the light.
Only truth flows from his fingertips.
Re-opening your advise column here temporarily.
Question: If a comets tail always faces away from the sun - and I am burning away from the sun in my very large poled Hookbill - how do they keep catching me?
Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
Iggys
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.03.07 08:13:00 -
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2x rep incursus is way mo betta |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
625
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Posted - 2013.03.07 10:16:00 -
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Iggys wrote:2x rep incursus is way mo betta
So bad.... Beyond Divinity Recruitment is open! |
The VC's
Spack Force 5
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Posted - 2013.03.07 11:24:00 -
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OP, drop that ANP for an overdrive. That'll lower the speed difference to around 100ms or so. He'll have a hard time getting to a high trans orbit then. Trust your rep bonus.
Ed. stop what you are training now and prioritise thermodynamics, navigation and evasive manuvering. Preferably to 5, especially navigation. I you are serious about frigs they are mandatory. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
626
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Posted - 2013.03.07 11:48:00 -
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The VC's wrote:OP, drop that ANP for an overdrive. That'll lower the speed difference to around 100ms or so. He'll have a hard time getting to a high trans orbit then. Trust your rep bonus. I you can afford it use the meta 4 web
Ed. stop what you are training now and prioritise thermodynamics, navigation and evasive manuvering. Preferably to 5, especially navigation. If you are serious about frigs they are mandatory.
You don't need an overdrive, at all.
You can plate a rail incursus and still do fine if you just pilot it right.
you're right about the skills though, especially thermodynamics, would train to 6 if i could. Beyond Divinity Recruitment is open! |
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The VC's
Spack Force 5
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Posted - 2013.03.07 11:57:00 -
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You can plate it and pilot, yes. But that's a big if for a newer player. Plus, the OD is more unexpected.
We both maxed our nav skills a long time ago :)
Ed. maybe I'm biased. I fly the incursus like an improved old school, pre buff falloff merchant with 3 ambits and an od. |
Cute E
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.03.07 15:05:00 -
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Dual rep fit your Incursus and tank him to his death, simple as that. Or pop an Exile booster and tank him to death on a single repper. This assumes you are fitting an injector and a MWD, really.
Tactic would be to let him scram/web you, you scram him and plink at each other. Bait-tank him to make sure he goes all-in (keep your armour at 1/2 or less). If he tries to bail, heat your scram and pre-overheat your MWD, hit approach and spam click the MWD so you can get a pulse off when his scram drops (if he forgot to overheat his scram) and yours is still on.
An Atron can push out a lot of DPS, but it's cap limited, an Incursus should have no problems dispatching one, no matter if rail or blaster fitted. |
Cute E
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2013.03.07 15:13:00 -
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Let me put some details here.
I usually fit my Atron like this: [Atron, honour tank] Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Small Armor Repairer II
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Upgraded 1MN MicroWarpdrive I
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S [empty high slot]
Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I Small Nanobot Accelerator I
Stats: 3363m/s (4805 w/ heat) 217 DPS with 5% implants before heat 1.7+2.3km. 42DPS tank, if the fight takes too long structure damage will be taken, but Gallente ships don't lack structure and the DCU II helps a lot there.
I fit my Incursus like this: [Incursus, pvp dualrep] Small Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Small Armor Repairer II
Upgraded 1MN Microwarpdrive I Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
Light Ion Blaster II, Void S Light Ion Blaster II, Void S Light Ion Blaster II, Void S
Small Nanobot Accelerator I Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Warrior II x1
Stats: 2756m/s (3941 w/ heat) 228 DPS with 5% implants before heat 1.7+2.3km. 115DPS tank.
I think it's p. clear who comes out on top, especially since you can actually permatank the Atron without cap boosters.
Protip-¬ - you can actually offline your mwd when brawling all-in, as it'll give you a bit of extra cap. Goes double for the Atron.
Cap injecting in the Incursus must be done with pinpoint accuracy so your reppers don't stop, especially if overheated. Preoverheat the cap injector for a faster cycle time. Heat the reppers but careful so you don't burn them out. Pop an exile booster, the best you can afford. |
SeaSaw
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.03.07 15:28:00 -
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Good Sirs;
The Atron has an ECM defense of 7, one of the lowest in the land. Just fit the specific jammer.
your humble servent SeaSaw |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
627
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Posted - 2013.03.07 15:56:00 -
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Cute E wrote:Let me put some details here.
I usually fit my Atron like this: [Atron, honour tank] Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Small Armor Repairer II
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Upgraded 1MN MicroWarpdrive I
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S [empty high slot]
Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I Small Nanobot Accelerator I
Stats: 3363m/s (4805 w/ heat) 217 DPS with 5% implants before heat 1.7+2.3km. 42DPS tank, if the fight takes too long structure damage will be taken, but Gallente ships don't lack structure and the DCU II helps a lot there.
I fit my Incursus like this: [Incursus, pvp dualrep] Small Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Small Armor Repairer II
Upgraded 1MN Microwarpdrive I Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
Light Ion Blaster II, Void S Light Ion Blaster II, Void S Light Ion Blaster II, Void S
Small Nanobot Accelerator I Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Warrior II x1
Stats: 2756m/s (3941 w/ heat) 228 DPS with 5% implants before heat 1.7+2.3km. 115DPS tank.
I think it's p. clear who comes out on top, especially since you can actually permatank the Atron without cap boosters.
Protip-¬ - you can actually offline your mwd when brawling all-in, as it'll give you a bit of extra cap. Goes double for the Atron.
Cap injecting in the Incursus must be done with pinpoint accuracy so your reppers don't stop, especially if overheated. Preoverheat the cap injector for a faster cycle time. Heat the reppers but careful so you don't burn them out. Pop an exile booster, the best you can afford.
Stop trying to get him to fly shitfits or using boosters in a t1 frig.. and void is generally a really bad choice in a frig fight.
Neither of the fits you posted are likely to even break the shields on a rail incursus let alone kill it and neither can kill an enemy atron that isn't a ******.
If you're bad at frigs, don't give advice on them. Beyond Divinity Recruitment is open! |
Cute E
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.03.07 16:40:00 -
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I'm sure I don't qualify as an elite pvp-er, but those "****" fits got a lot of kills :)
Void is there just because, of course it's silly to fly with tracking penalty ammo loaded. But enough spoon-feeding has been done, everyone can fly whatever they want, it's a free New Eden.
Just don't complain getting neuted into oblivion when trying to hit above your weight in a frigate because cap injectors are "fail" on a frigate o\ |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
628
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Posted - 2013.03.07 17:11:00 -
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Cute E wrote:I'm sure I don't qualify as an elite pvp-er, but those "****" fits got a lot of kills :)
Void is there just because, of course it's silly to fly with tracking penalty ammo loaded. But enough spoon-feeding has been done, everyone can fly whatever they want, it's a free New Eden.
Just don't complain getting neuted into oblivion when trying to hit above your weight in a frigate because cap injectors are "fail" on a frigate o\
Good luck killing an unwebbed Vexor/thorax
A dual rep incursus should be a niche thing, since its a gimpy fit that can do very specific things rather well. That is kill bigger things that move to slowly to **** with transversal even when not webbed.
It however is not a good solo roaming fit. On a frig, 95% of the time you want a web if at all possible... that number goes up to 99% if that said frig happens to use blasters.
The atron fit however is servicable but i don't like the atron much tbh. Beyond Divinity Recruitment is open! |
The VC's
Spack Force 5
118
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Posted - 2013.03.07 17:16:00 -
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Cute E wrote:I'm sure I don't qualify as an elite pvp-er, but those "****" fits got a lot of kills :)
Void is there just because, of course it's silly to fly with tracking penalty ammo loaded. But enough spoon-feeding has been done, everyone can fly whatever they want, it's a free New Eden.
Just don't complain getting neuted into oblivion when trying to hit above your weight in a frigate because cap injectors are "fail" on a frigate o\
If you die to a dual rep Incursus, you've really fecked up and been caught with your pants down. Also, an Atron without either ambits or a TE is not the whole Atron. It's falloff bonus is unique in T1 frigs. Use it, sit at 8km and plink away. |
Taoist Dragon
Bastion of Mad Behaviour
285
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Posted - 2013.03.07 21:04:00 -
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The VC's wrote:Cute E wrote:I'm sure I don't qualify as an elite pvp-er, but those "****" fits got a lot of kills :)
Void is there just because, of course it's silly to fly with tracking penalty ammo loaded. But enough spoon-feeding has been done, everyone can fly whatever they want, it's a free New Eden.
Just don't complain getting neuted into oblivion when trying to hit above your weight in a frigate because cap injectors are "fail" on a frigate o\ If you die to a dual rep Incursus, you've really fecked up and been caught with your pants down. Also, an Atron without either ambits or a TE is not the whole Atron. It's falloff bonus is unique in T1 frigs. Use it, sit at 8km and plink away.
Not really. you die in a dual rep incursus against pretty much anything that can out range you and is faster. Unless you have friends to come save your sorry ass as your cap boosters WILL run out at some time. Your said atron sitting at 8km will own a DR inc pretty much every day of the week and twice on sundays.
The DR incursus is amazing for some things but in a frig dogfight it really has issues. Similar issues to the punisher but lacks the damage projection of the punisher. That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything. |
The VC's
Spack Force 5
118
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Posted - 2013.03.07 21:12:00 -
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Taoist Dragon wrote:The VC's wrote:Cute E wrote:I'm sure I don't qualify as an elite pvp-er, but those "****" fits got a lot of kills :)
Void is there just because, of course it's silly to fly with tracking penalty ammo loaded. But enough spoon-feeding has been done, everyone can fly whatever they want, it's a free New Eden.
Just don't complain getting neuted into oblivion when trying to hit above your weight in a frigate because cap injectors are "fail" on a frigate o\ If you die to a dual rep Incursus, you've really fecked up and been caught with your pants down. Also, an Atron without either ambits or a TE is not the whole Atron. It's falloff bonus is unique in T1 frigs. Use it, sit at 8km and plink away. Not really. you die in a dual rep incursus against pretty much anything that can out range you and is faster. Unless you have friends to come save your sorry ass as your cap boosters WILL run out at some time. Your said atron sitting at 8km will own a DR inc pretty much every day of the week and twice on sundays. The DR incursus is amazing for some things but in a frig dogfight it really has issues. Similar issues to the punisher but lacks the damage projection of the punisher.
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