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Korvin Ren
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.27 17:16:00 -
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Hi I have literally been playing the game a few days and don't have much time to play it. I have done the starting tutorial which for the most part does a very good job of explaining things, but what was never explained what Jamming devices. I am trying to do the Sisters of Eve quest line and I literally am unable to do anything as I am being constantly jammed for 20 seconds, it drops I get a few hit's off then I'm jammed again. Is there anything I can do to avoid this?
Also on another note, I see the auction house is very ummm highly priced for a new player, I mean I'd buy some new weapons and things but I cannot afford anything. |

J'Poll
The Fiction Factory Tribal Band
1925
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Posted - 2013.02.27 17:25:00 -
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Korvin Ren wrote:Hi I have literally been playing the game a few days and don't have much time to play it. I have done the starting tutorial which for the most part does a very good job of explaining things, but what was never explained what Jamming devices. I am trying to do the Sisters of Eve quest line and I literally am unable to do anything as I am being constantly jammed for 20 seconds, it drops I get a few hit's off then I'm jammed again. Is there anything I can do to avoid this?
Also on another note, I see the auction house is very ummm highly priced for a new player, I mean I'd buy some new weapons and things but I cannot afford anything.
Counter jamming:
* There is a skill that will boost your sensor strenght. Not at the PC so cant check. Its in the electronics category and called Gravimetric/Ladar/Radar/magnetometric .... (Pick the one that is related to the race of ship you fly). * ECCM modules. Again four types. Pick tue one that suits your ship race. * Drones. They continu to fire even when you loose target lock. * Auto targeting missiles.
As for market / contracts. (and I think you mean market here...).
What are you trying to buy? Where are you buying? Why do you want to buy it.
Also, keep in mind that over 99% of the market is player driven. There are hardly NPC seeded items.
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Kazuma Gaterau
Fenrir's Dogs of War Union 0f Revolution
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Posted - 2013.02.27 17:27:00 -
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With the weapons jammer it lowers your weapon range, you will need to get closer to hit them. On your overview you can match the icon and see which ships are jamming your weapons systems.
As far as the market, once you start making money you will see it is pretty well balanced. Things are absolutely expensive for a new player, but once you start doing harder missions, getting more rewards and exploring other aspects of eve such as trading, exploration, etc, you can find that the amount of money you can make in a month or two from now is staggering compared to your current expectations for income.
Best advice I can give is keep reading, keep training, and experiment :) |

Mal Lokrano
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2013.02.27 17:29:00 -
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ECCM (not remote ECCM) or backup sensor arrays help against targeting sensor jamming, however i am not sure if CCP ever made it so those help against npc jamming. They will help against player jamming though. "When going to a Party with wine, women, and song. Always ascertain the vintage of the first two." |

Korvin Ren
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.27 17:37:00 -
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Thanks guys will look in to this. So if I understand this right if I move closer to the enemies I can actually shoot them even though I am being Jammed? |

Markatta
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.02.27 17:39:00 -
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Is the jamming coming from a ship or a stationary object (like a sentry or turret)? If the latter, and if you're patient, fly >150km away from the jammer, then warp directly to it, and blast away.
If it's coming from a ship, you can try ECCM modules (sensors and sensor backup arrays, I think?), but as Mal pointed out they may not be effective against NPCs. You'll need both the Electronics and Electronic Warfare skills to fit ECCM.
Money: Maybe do some level I Security missions in whatever you're flying now (use the Agent finder in the contact window in dock to find one near you). If you can pack a Salvager, do so; otherwise, you can still get some fair cash by reprocessing drops and selling the minerals. |

Mal Lokrano
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2013.02.27 17:42:00 -
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Korvin Ren wrote:Thanks guys will look in to this. So if I understand this right if I move closer to the enemies I can actually shoot them even though I am being Jammed?
Only if they are dampening you, if they are jamming it wouldn't make a difference. "When going to a Party with wine, women, and song. Always ascertain the vintage of the first two." |

Korvin Ren
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.27 17:50:00 -
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Okay thank's guys will look in to all of this and see how things pan out, very grateful for all the responses. |

Kazuma Gaterau
Fenrir's Dogs of War Union 0f Revolution
9
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Posted - 2013.02.27 18:17:00 -
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Mal Lokrano wrote:Korvin Ren wrote:Thanks guys will look in to this. So if I understand this right if I move closer to the enemies I can actually shoot them even though I am being Jammed? Only if they are dampening you, if they are jamming it wouldn't make a difference.
yes, jamming is a whole other ball game. I am on lvl 3 missions and I haven't been jammed only dampened. :P |

J'Poll
The Fiction Factory Tribal Band
1926
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Posted - 2013.02.27 18:57:00 -
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Kazuma Gaterau wrote:With the weapons jammer it lowers your weapon range, you will need to get closer to hit them. On your overview you can match the icon and see which ships are jamming your weapons systems.
As far as the market, once you start making money you will see it is pretty well balanced. Things are absolutely expensive for a new player, but once you start doing harder missions, getting more rewards and exploring other aspects of eve such as trading, exploration, etc, you can find that the amount of money you can make in a month or two from now is staggering compared to your current expectations for income.
Best advice I can give is keep reading, keep training, and experiment :)
Sensor dampening is NOT jamming.
So getting closer will do **** all when jammed. |
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Kazuma Gaterau
Fenrir's Dogs of War Union 0f Revolution
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Posted - 2013.02.27 19:09:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:Kazuma Gaterau wrote:With the weapons jammer it lowers your weapon range, you will need to get closer to hit them. On your overview you can match the icon and see which ships are jamming your weapons systems.
As far as the market, once you start making money you will see it is pretty well balanced. Things are absolutely expensive for a new player, but once you start doing harder missions, getting more rewards and exploring other aspects of eve such as trading, exploration, etc, you can find that the amount of money you can make in a month or two from now is staggering compared to your current expectations for income.
Best advice I can give is keep reading, keep training, and experiment :) Sensor dampening is NOT jamming. So getting closer will do **** all when jammed.
Yes I misread. However he is most likely getting dampened if he is doing Lvl 1 missions |

J'Poll
The Fiction Factory Tribal Band
1926
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Posted - 2013.02.27 19:23:00 -
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Kazuma Gaterau wrote:J'Poll wrote:Kazuma Gaterau wrote:With the weapons jammer it lowers your weapon range, you will need to get closer to hit them. On your overview you can match the icon and see which ships are jamming your weapons systems.
As far as the market, once you start making money you will see it is pretty well balanced. Things are absolutely expensive for a new player, but once you start doing harder missions, getting more rewards and exploring other aspects of eve such as trading, exploration, etc, you can find that the amount of money you can make in a month or two from now is staggering compared to your current expectations for income.
Best advice I can give is keep reading, keep training, and experiment :) Sensor dampening is NOT jamming. So getting closer will do **** all when jammed. Yes I misread. However he is most likely getting dampened if he is doing Lvl 1 missions
He is doing the SoE epic arc. Which also involves going to Caldari spac with Guristas rats which JAM.
Each NPC rat type has its own single E-war they do, for guristas its jamming and thus its possible to be jammed while doing the SoE.
If you are going to make assumptions.....he COULD as wel be tracking disrupted. Bit from actually reading his post you would havesotted all the signs that say ECM jamming.
Assumptions are the mother of all ****-ups. |

Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2013.02.27 23:32:00 -
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Korvin Ren wrote:Hi I have literally been playing the game a few days and don't have much time to play it. I have done the starting tutorial which for the most part does a very good job of explaining things, but what was never explained what Jamming devices. I am trying to do the Sisters of Eve quest line and I literally am unable to do anything as I am being constantly jammed for 20 seconds, it drops I get a few hit's off then I'm jammed again. Is there anything I can do to avoid this?
Also on another note, I see the auction house is very ummm highly priced for a new player, I mean I'd buy some new weapons and things but I cannot afford anything.
There'a MID slot you can fit, maybe called something like ECCM, which increases the Sensor Strength of your ship. It's an active module, so you must turn it on to benefit from it, and it uses up your Capacitory battery energy, but it's a very small amount. Be sure to buy the right kind of module, to match the ship you're flying, i.e. if you're flying a Caldari ship then your Sensor Type is Gravimetric.
There's a LOW slot you can fit, called something like Backup Array, which increase the Sensor Strength of your ship. It's a passive module, and the bonus is smaller. Again, remember to get the right kind (look up "show info" on the ship you're flying).
You can fit multiple such modules. The bonuses stack, but I don't remember if there is a stacking penalty. However, as you're a noob, you don't need to worry about the stacking penalty as long as you only fit a combination of 2 such modules (with only 2 stacked bonuses, the penalty is very small).
There is also a skill you can train. It's recently added to the game. Each level of the skill gives a 5% bonus to Sensor Strength. There are four different types, so make sure to get the right one (e.g. Gravimetric if you're Caldari).
ECM jamming is always a dice-roll-based contest between your Sensor Strength and the Jam Strength of the jammer. The higher your Sensor Strength, the less likely you are to be jammed.
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Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
315
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Posted - 2013.02.27 23:34:00 -
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Korvin Ren wrote:Thanks guys will look in to this. So if I understand this right if I move closer to the enemies I can actually shoot them even though I am being Jammed?
No. ECM jamming is a different mechanic, which prevents you from target locking altogether (any targets you do have locked will become unlocked). The kind of electronic warfare that reduces your targetting range is called something else, but also works in a dice-roll-based fashion against the Sensor Strength of your ship.
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Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
315
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Posted - 2013.02.27 23:35:00 -
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A player, which I seem to recall was Stoicfaux(sp?), did some testing a couple of years ago, and determined that increased Sensor Strength does make you less likely to be affected by NPC ECM. His thread is somewhere on the old forums.
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GreenWithEnvy
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.28 02:57:00 -
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Salpad wrote:The kind of electronic warfare that reduces your targetting range is called something else, but also works in a dice-roll-based fashion against the Sensor Strength of your ship.
Not true at all. Please don't spread misinformation. |

J'Poll
The Fiction Factory Tribal Band
1928
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Posted - 2013.02.28 11:36:00 -
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Salpad wrote:Korvin Ren wrote:Thanks guys will look in to this. So if I understand this right if I move closer to the enemies I can actually shoot them even though I am being Jammed? No. ECM jamming is a different mechanic, which prevents you from target locking altogether (any targets you do have locked will become unlocked). The kind of electronic warfare that reduces your targetting range is called something else, but also works in a dice-roll-based fashion against the Sensor Strength of your ship.
Dampening (shorter target range) has nothing to do with your sensor strength.
Dampening does affect your scan resolution. |

Eliniale
co-operative resource extraction
99
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Posted - 2013.02.28 11:48:00 -
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Mal Lokrano wrote:ECCM (not remote ECCM) or backup sensor arrays help against targeting sensor jamming, however i am not sure if CCP ever made it so those help against npc jamming. They will help against player jamming though.
They do help agianst NPC ewar System ideas: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=191928&find=unread |

Eliniale
co-operative resource extraction
99
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Posted - 2013.02.28 12:01:00 -
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There are several kinds of jamming.
1. Damps: these reduce your scan resolution and targeting range. Modules having this effect can be loaded up with scripts to be geared more towards limiting your locking range, or limiting your scan resolution (resulting in longer locking times). There is NOTHING chance based about these, if the module is turned on, the jams works. Sensor boosters with the relevant scripts can help you to counter this effect.
2. ECM: This was previously discussed by J'Poll. ECM is chance based and each race has their own flavor of sensors. There are multispectral james which work equally well against everything, and racial jams which are very effective at jamming their intended race, but barely usefull against others. ECCM modules based on your ships race are the ideal counter.
3. Tracking disruption: This will not mess with your locks, but will substantially **** up the effective range of your gun, and their ability to track moving targets. These modules can be loaded up with scripts to be more useful in one of either area. Tracking computers loaded up with relevant scripts can counter this effect.
For competion's sake i'll also add target painting, scrams, webs, and neuts here, as they also **** things up. Although these aren't really jams, they are however E-war. System ideas: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=191928&find=unread |

Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
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Posted - 2013.02.28 17:00:00 -
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Also worth noting: If enemies are in your drone control range and you have drones set to aggressive and focus fire, your drones don't care whether you're jammed or not.
Another reason why drones, like FoF missiles, are a good fall-back weapon system even if they're not fully trained. |
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Kazuma Gaterau
Fenrir's Dogs of War Union 0f Revolution
10
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Posted - 2013.02.28 22:00:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:Kazuma Gaterau wrote:J'Poll wrote:Kazuma Gaterau wrote:With the weapons jammer it lowers your weapon range, you will need to get closer to hit them. On your overview you can match the icon and see which ships are jamming your weapons systems.
As far as the market, once you start making money you will see it is pretty well balanced. Things are absolutely expensive for a new player, but once you start doing harder missions, getting more rewards and exploring other aspects of eve such as trading, exploration, etc, you can find that the amount of money you can make in a month or two from now is staggering compared to your current expectations for income.
Best advice I can give is keep reading, keep training, and experiment :) Sensor dampening is NOT jamming. So getting closer will do **** all when jammed. Yes I misread. However he is most likely getting dampened if he is doing Lvl 1 missions He is doing the SoE epic arc. Which also involves going to Caldari spac with Guristas rats which JAM. Each NPC rat type has its own single E-war they do, for guristas its jamming and thus its possible to be jammed while doing the SoE. If you are going to make assumptions.....he COULD as wel be tracking disrupted. Bit from actually reading his post you would havesotted all the signs that say ECM jamming. Assumptions are the mother of all ****-ups.
Well in my defense, I myself am still new :P |

J'Poll
The Fiction Factory Tribal Band
1932
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Posted - 2013.03.01 18:49:00 -
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Lost Greybeard wrote:Also worth noting: If enemies are in your drone control range and you have drones set to aggressive and focus fire, your drones don't care whether you're jammed or not.
Another reason why drones, like FoF missiles, are a good fall-back weapon system even if they're not fully trained.
Good point.
Only want to update after the recent name change:
FoF = Auto targeting missiles.
Other then that, solid advice. |
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