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Ron1n
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Posted - 2003.07.21 08:12:00 - [1]

1st day:
SA lost: 1 cruiser
RUS lost: 3 Cruisers 2 BS

2nd day
SA lost: 4 BS, 14 cruisers, 3 fregats, 1 industrial
RUS lost 1 BS

3d day:
SA lost: 1 BS, 14 cruisers, 4 fregats
RUS Lost: 0

RUS vs MASS
_______Everlasting Vendetta
_______Old Farts
_______Solar wind
_______Storm Guard Elite
_______The Collective
_______Corporation X
_______Interstellar Elite
_______LGI Corporation
_______Setenta corp
_______The Flying Dutchmen
_______Omega corp
_______(not all list)



Edited by: Ron1n on 21/07/2003 08:14:22
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Posted - 2003.07.21 08:12:00 - [2]

1st day:
SA lost: 1 cruiser
RUS lost: 3 Cruisers 2 BS

2nd day
SA lost: 4 BS, 14 cruisers, 3 fregats, 1 industrial
RUS lost 1 BS

3d day:
SA lost: 1 BS, 14 cruisers, 4 fregats
RUS Lost: 0

RUS vs MASS
_______Everlasting Vendetta
_______Old Farts
_______Solar wind
_______Storm Guard Elite
_______The Collective
_______Corporation X
_______Interstellar Elite
_______LGI Corporation
_______Setenta corp
_______The Flying Dutchmen
_______Omega corp
_______(not all list)



Edited by: Ron1n on 21/07/2003 08:14:22
Silmaril
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Posted - 2003.07.21 08:18:00 - [3]

heh. I bet SA were smug right up until the end of day one...

... assuming the information is accurate of course :)



Edited by: Silmaril on 21/07/2003 08:18:16

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Posted - 2003.07.21 08:18:00 - [4]

heh. I bet SA were smug right up until the end of day one...

... assuming the information is accurate of course :)



Edited by: Silmaril on 21/07/2003 08:18:16

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Archon Stormrage
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Posted - 2003.07.21 08:21:00 - [5]

Quite an imagination there.

The only reason he admits some of the first day losses is because they were proved to him.
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Posted - 2003.07.21 08:21:00 - [6]

Quite an imagination there.

The only reason he admits some of the first day losses is because they were proved to him.
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Posted - 2003.07.21 08:24:00 - [7]

I'm never too sure when reading war reports from one of the sides involved.

Can't the two sides both give their information to a third party, who can then make of it what they will?

This will just be an accusing thread. kudos to both sides for sticking it out for 3 days though.
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Posted - 2003.07.21 08:24:00 - [8]

I'm never too sure when reading war reports from one of the sides involved.

Can't the two sides both give their information to a third party, who can then make of it what they will?

This will just be an accusing thread. kudos to both sides for sticking it out for 3 days though.
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Posted - 2003.07.21 09:11:00 - [9]

Well, in the end the data is only meaningful to the interested parties anyways. While it provides the rest of us with amusement, we're not the ones losing ships or with anything at stake.

I guess if both sides did want an accurate butcher bill they could agree to a neutral, impartial observer to watch battles and keep track. With an agreement not to shoot the observer on both sides. Though since the battles aren't pre-arranged, it may be tricky to keep an observer nearby to actually watch (assuming they don't shoot themself from boredom waiting on something to happen).
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Posted - 2003.07.21 09:11:00 - [10]

Well, in the end the data is only meaningful to the interested parties anyways. While it provides the rest of us with amusement, we're not the ones losing ships or with anything at stake.

I guess if both sides did want an accurate butcher bill they could agree to a neutral, impartial observer to watch battles and keep track. With an agreement not to shoot the observer on both sides. Though since the battles aren't pre-arranged, it may be tricky to keep an observer nearby to actually watch (assuming they don't shoot themself from boredom waiting on something to happen).
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Posted - 2003.07.21 09:33:00 - [11]

Ron1n must have found the bottle of vodka again....
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Posted - 2003.07.21 09:33:00 - [12]

Ron1n must have found the bottle of vodka again....
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Posted - 2003.07.21 10:10:00 - [13]

General rule of thumb for all conflicts, virtual and real: take the loss figures given by the two sides for themselves and their opponents and use the middle figure. It's surprising just how accurate it can be.
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Posted - 2003.07.21 10:10:00 - [14]

I think it is only fair for you to admit Ronin is that you are an idiot. If you wouldve read your 1st idiotic thread. Most, if not all people prefer to have an indepedent report(because of threads like this, where these imaginary numbers appear). Oh and while you are posting about the war, why dont you start a new thread "the art of dock and log" Russians...hah. Your a joke.

The name's johnnyblaze ain't a damn thing changed.
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Posted - 2003.07.21 10:10:00 - [15]

I think it is only fair for you to admit Ronin is that you are an idiot. If you wouldve read your 1st idiotic thread. Most, if not all people prefer to have an indepedent report(because of threads like this, where these imaginary numbers appear). Oh and while you are posting about the war, why dont you start a new thread "the art of dock and log" Russians...hah. Your a joke.

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Posted - 2003.07.21 10:10:00 - [16]

General rule of thumb for all conflicts, virtual and real: take the loss figures given by the two sides for themselves and their opponents and use the middle figure. It's surprising just how accurate it can be.
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Posted - 2003.07.21 10:19:00 - [17]

George : thats so true :)
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Posted - 2003.07.21 10:19:00 - [18]

George : thats so true :)
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Posted - 2003.07.21 15:10:00 - [19]

ahhh ronin where did you go?

you only fight on the weekends?

report...day 1 still mining

report...day 2 still mining

report...day 3 still mining

report...day 3 rus buying mega on trade for 9k each kekekeke

happy hunting :)

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Posted - 2003.07.21 15:10:00 - [20]

ahhh ronin where did you go?

you only fight on the weekends?

report...day 1 still mining

report...day 2 still mining

report...day 3 still mining

report...day 3 rus buying mega on trade for 9k each kekekeke

happy hunting :)

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Posted - 2003.07.21 15:33:00 - [21]

Hey Ron1n you seem to forget the 3 scorps on the third day that blew up in front of me. Also have 9 rus corpes smelling up the place here, would you please come and pick them up.:))
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Posted - 2003.07.21 15:33:00 - [22]

JohnnyBlaze, you are as idiot as Ron1n...
OK for your comment regarding "losses".
I expect too more "neutral" information...
I proposed POLARIS (tm) members to act as reporter... No answer :/

You are idiot regarding their tactic...They fight almost at 1 vs 5... Guerilla and 'urban' tactics is their best way to cause some casualities to SA... Simple and effective.


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Posted - 2003.07.21 15:33:00 - [23]

JohnnyBlaze, you are as idiot as Ron1n...
OK for your comment regarding "losses".
I expect too more "neutral" information...
I proposed POLARIS (tm) members to act as reporter... No answer :/

You are idiot regarding their tactic...They fight almost at 1 vs 5... Guerilla and 'urban' tactics is their best way to cause some casualities to SA... Simple and effective.


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Posted - 2003.07.21 15:33:00 - [24]

Hey Ron1n you seem to forget the 3 scorps on the third day that blew up in front of me. Also have 9 rus corpes smelling up the place here, would you please come and pick them up.:))
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Posted - 2003.07.21 16:05:00 - [25]

u guys are all ***** heads, all up in what is going on but regions away, just wait till the end and u will see the results then.

Do u people not realize that maybe there is just to many alliances that some regions need to be free up for corps to go and mine and hunt and all that good stuff

Edited by: RAIDAKAOZ on 21/07/2003 16:06:09

Edited by: RAIDAKAOZ on 21/07/2003 16:07:50
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Posted - 2003.07.21 16:05:00 - [26]

u guys are all ***** heads, all up in what is going on but regions away, just wait till the end and u will see the results then.

Do u people not realize that maybe there is just to many alliances that some regions need to be free up for corps to go and mine and hunt and all that good stuff

Edited by: RAIDAKAOZ on 21/07/2003 16:06:09

Edited by: RAIDAKAOZ on 21/07/2003 16:07:50
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If it looks like a duck, and sounds like a duck, it is probably a chicken that CCP ****ed up.
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Posted - 2003.07.21 16:10:00 - [27]

Perhaps a player-character news corporation (such as the Gallente Enquirer, or FNN) should approach both sides and try and obtain exclusive news coverage? :)
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Posted - 2003.07.21 16:10:00 - [28]

Perhaps a player-character news corporation (such as the Gallente Enquirer, or FNN) should approach both sides and try and obtain exclusive news coverage? :)
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Posted - 2003.07.21 16:17:00 - [29]

I killed like 10 BS and 30 frigs that RUS had.
I was by my self in my rifter. Took about 30 % shild loss.

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Yup, definately trolling!

*click*

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Posted - 2003.07.21 16:17:00 - [30]

I killed like 10 BS and 30 frigs that RUS had.
I was by my self in my rifter. Took about 30 % shild loss.

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Yup, definately trolling!

*click*

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Posted - 2003.07.21 17:02:00 - [31]

I would be very impressed by RUS if the figures were at least 50% accurate. I thought RUS was insane going up against a conglomerate of megacorps on their home turf. I mean, these aren't exactly sheep-hunting jump-happy pirate corps RUS is fighting there, but it appears RUS is doing far better than I've expected.

Still, if this war drags on SA will probably wear RUS down. The economics simply isn't in RUS's favor. I get this vision of Everlasting Vendetta and Old Farts churning out endless waves of Apocalypses and Ruptures and pouring them in to Stain from Molten Heath and Metro. Heh heh, perhaps there is a RL parallel here.

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Posted - 2003.07.21 17:02:00 - [32]

I would be very impressed by RUS if the figures were at least 50% accurate. I thought RUS was insane going up against a conglomerate of megacorps on their home turf. I mean, these aren't exactly sheep-hunting jump-happy pirate corps RUS is fighting there, but it appears RUS is doing far better than I've expected.

Still, if this war drags on SA will probably wear RUS down. The economics simply isn't in RUS's favor. I get this vision of Everlasting Vendetta and Old Farts churning out endless waves of Apocalypses and Ruptures and pouring them in to Stain from Molten Heath and Metro. Heh heh, perhaps there is a RL parallel here.

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Posted - 2003.07.21 17:10:00 - [33]

if that's the case, i advise Stain to steer clear of any sniper-config ships piloted by anyone named Vassily.

:D



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Posted - 2003.07.21 17:10:00 - [34]

if that's the case, i advise Stain to steer clear of any sniper-config ships piloted by anyone named Vassily.

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Posted - 2003.07.21 17:26:00 - [35]

stain on the map.. that is about all that will be left of the stain alliance... one big stain.

Pieces of their ships everywhere and bodies at every gate.

RUS good work guys, sounds like you have basically pounded their entire fleet to the ground. now is the time to keep the presure up, i bet they (SA) are crying to other alliances so watch out for fresh troops!
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Posted - 2003.07.21 17:26:00 - [36]

stain on the map.. that is about all that will be left of the stain alliance... one big stain.

Pieces of their ships everywhere and bodies at every gate.

RUS good work guys, sounds like you have basically pounded their entire fleet to the ground. now is the time to keep the presure up, i bet they (SA) are crying to other alliances so watch out for fresh troops!
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Posted - 2003.07.21 17:32:00 - [37]

RUS vs MASS
_______Everlasting Vendetta
_______Old Farts
_______Solar wind
_______Storm Guard Elite
_______The Collective
_______Corporation X
_______Interstellar Elite
_______LGI Corporation
_______Setenta corp
_______The Flying Dutchmen
_______Omega corp
_______(any lacky Platinum X can gather up now!)

hehehehe
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Posted - 2003.07.21 17:32:00 - [38]

RUS vs MASS
_______Everlasting Vendetta
_______Old Farts
_______Solar wind
_______Storm Guard Elite
_______The Collective
_______Corporation X
_______Interstellar Elite
_______LGI Corporation
_______Setenta corp
_______The Flying Dutchmen
_______Omega corp
_______(any lacky Platinum X can gather up now!)

hehehehe
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Posted - 2003.07.21 17:37:00 - [39]

Smoked you should probably be quiet before we make you beg not to be podded again
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Smoked you should probably be quiet before we make you beg not to be podded again
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Posted - 2003.07.21 17:59:00 - [41]

We have found a rus spy drone buried in the side of a number of stain alliance stations but i am afraid rus got mixed up with the translation, so let me help them out.

1st day:
SA produced: 1 cruiser
RUS lost: 3 Cruisers 2 BS
2nd day
SA produced: 4 BS, 14 cruisers, 3 fregats, 1 industrial
RUS lost 1 BS
3d day:
SA produced: 1 BS, 14 cruisers, 4 fregats
RUS Lost: 0

---------

There we go, i hope that has cleared it all up now.

:)
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Posted - 2003.07.21 17:59:00 - [42]

We have found a rus spy drone buried in the side of a number of stain alliance stations but i am afraid rus got mixed up with the translation, so let me help them out.

1st day:
SA produced: 1 cruiser
RUS lost: 3 Cruisers 2 BS
2nd day
SA produced: 4 BS, 14 cruisers, 3 fregats, 1 industrial
RUS lost 1 BS
3d day:
SA produced: 1 BS, 14 cruisers, 4 fregats
RUS Lost: 0

---------

There we go, i hope that has cleared it all up now.

:)
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Mia Noir
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Posted - 2003.07.21 18:04:00 - [43]

Aha, what a surprise, the moron is a m0o member. I honestly do hope they ban you from the forum DeiZoN, you are yet another m0o member who does not deserve to be anywhere near this game, why do they keep hireing this fugly idiots?
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Posted - 2003.07.21 18:04:00 - [44]

Aha, what a surprise, the moron is a m0o member. I honestly do hope they ban you from the forum DeiZoN, you are yet another m0o member who does not deserve to be anywhere near this game, why do they keep hireing this fugly idiots?
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Posted - 2003.07.21 18:07:00 - [45]

Mia, bugger off please. Deizon was only laughing at how a lot of the people on these boards are not trusting the figures released by either side.


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Posted - 2003.07.21 18:07:00 - [46]

Mia, bugger off please. Deizon was only laughing at how a lot of the people on these boards are not trusting the figures released by either side.


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Posted - 2003.07.21 18:12:00 - [47]

i can easily see how RUS got those BS/cruiser losses figures. In the heat of battle when u have 2 large sides firing at eachother then ships will be lost. If u have 6 people firing at the same ship that is destroyed then after the battle is over u will have 6 people all saying they destroyed a ship each...therefor 1 ship destroyed turns out to to be 6 ships destroyed...

easy mistake really, especially when u are in a hurry searching for that dock or jump command ;)



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Posted - 2003.07.21 18:12:00 - [48]

i can easily see how RUS got those BS/cruiser losses figures. In the heat of battle when u have 2 large sides firing at eachother then ships will be lost. If u have 6 people firing at the same ship that is destroyed then after the battle is over u will have 6 people all saying they destroyed a ship each...therefor 1 ship destroyed turns out to to be 6 ships destroyed...

easy mistake really, especially when u are in a hurry searching for that dock or jump command ;)
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Posted - 2003.07.21 18:17:00 - [49]

Wow main, you obviously read the forums a lot, you seemed to miss earlier when this idiot made trolling posts, had them deleted and then spent a long time bumping old topics up to the fromt page with questionmarks to **** off the forum community and the mods. Get all the info before you post next time you moron(BTW, go RUS, kill these resource hoarding buttholes)

Edited by: Rogue Noir on 21/07/2003 18:20:01
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Posted - 2003.07.21 18:17:00 - [50]

Wow main, you obviously read the forums a lot, you seemed to miss earlier when this idiot made trolling posts, had them deleted and then spent a long time bumping old topics up to the fromt page with questionmarks to **** off the forum community and the mods. Get all the info before you post next time you moron(BTW, go RUS, kill these resource hoarding buttholes)

Edited by: Rogue Noir on 21/07/2003 18:20:01
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Posted - 2003.07.21 18:21:00 - [51]

Rogue noir, i don't really give a crap what deizon posted in other threads or on other boards, the post he made to this thread was light hearted and comical, well it was for me anyway.

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Posted - 2003.07.21 18:21:00 - [52]

Rogue noir, i don't really give a crap what deizon posted in other threads or on other boards, the post he made to this thread was light hearted and comical, well it was for me anyway.

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Posted - 2003.07.21 18:31:00 - [53]

Moved from General Discussion - Pann

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Posted - 2003.07.21 18:32:00 - [55]

So its perfectly alright to break almost all of the forum rules in a one hour period then main? Personnaly I find you quite light hearted and comical, as it quite clear you have absolutely no intelligence whatsoever.
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Posted - 2003.07.21 18:32:00 - [56]

So its perfectly alright to break almost all of the forum rules in a one hour period then main? Personnaly I find you quite light hearted and comical, as it quite clear you have absolutely no intelligence whatsoever.
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Posted - 2003.07.21 18:38:00 - [57]

ExclamationPann, could you please stick on of those topics for a while. Large one was at the top of general discussion board for 3 days, so it shows it importance. Here it will be lost in all those recruiting topics.Exclamation
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Posted - 2003.07.21 18:38:00 - [58]

ExclamationPann, could you please stick on of those topics for a while. Large one was at the top of general discussion board for 3 days, so it shows it importance. Here it will be lost in all those recruiting topics.Exclamation
Grikl
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Posted - 2003.07.21 19:05:00 - [59]

ahhh more bs`s made tonight ok i can sleep now see you tomarrow rus...oh wait you flead to your empire space :\

hmm done walk away 2k from a station or gate now hide in empire space hmmmm i thik you should of of said we are gunna do sneeck attacks on you when only two of your players are on tisk tisk.... run home under police space and mine for your losses ...but please come back next weekend it was great fun!!!!

Grikl MASS
Mining Officer
Grikl
Grikl

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Posted - 2003.07.21 19:05:00 - [60]

ahhh more bs`s made tonight ok i can sleep now see you tomarrow rus...oh wait you flead to your empire space :\

hmm done walk away 2k from a station or gate now hide in empire space hmmmm i thik you should of of said we are gunna do sneeck attacks on you when only two of your players are on tisk tisk.... run home under police space and mine for your losses ...but please come back next weekend it was great fun!!!!

Grikl MASS
Mining Officer
Archon Stormrage
Archon Stormrage

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Posted - 2003.07.21 19:28:00 - [61]

Edited by: Archon Stormrage on 21/07/2003 21:05:02
I just figured where RUS are getting these losses from. They listed Flying Dutchmen as in Stain alliance, the Dutchmen were asked to leave Stain long ago. If your blowing all them up RUS i wouldn't be surprised they fire back and therefore seem to be on our side.
Archon Stormrage
Archon Stormrage
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.

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Posted - 2003.07.21 19:28:00 - [62]

Edited by: Archon Stormrage on 21/07/2003 21:05:02
I just figured where RUS are getting these losses from. They listed Flying Dutchmen as in Stain alliance, the Dutchmen were asked to leave Stain long ago. If your blowing all them up RUS i wouldn't be surprised they fire back and therefore seem to be on our side.
Cle0patra
Cle0patra

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Posted - 2003.07.21 19:55:00 - [63]

Grikl obviously u dont have a job , thats why u talking **** on the formus 24/7...
Cle0patra
Cle0patra
Gallente

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Posted - 2003.07.21 19:55:00 - [64]

Grikl obviously u dont have a job , thats why u talking **** on the formus 24/7...
Sybell
Sybell
Amarr
Quantum Tunneling Enterprises

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Posted - 2007.04.08 02:19:00 - [65]

good record, can I apply?
   
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