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Froggy
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Posted - 2005.08.09 01:52:00 -
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Originally by: Captin Biltmore I'm really supprized you answered all those questions.....I think I would be more concerned about security than appeasing the whims of a few people's interests. Especially since you have 60,000+ credit card numbers stored on your servers.
Of course I am careful of not releasing any info that might cause security issues, but on the subject of security and CC info. that system is so secured that even CCP doesnÆt have access to it only the professional billing company that handles the transactions have access, doing CC transactions and securing that kind of data is what they do best so we leave that to them, we however are best at making virtual worlds work so thatÆs what we do :)
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FireFoxx80
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Posted - 2005.08.09 07:19:00 -
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Originally by: Froggy
Originally by: Captin Biltmore I'm really supprized you answered all those questions.....I think I would be more concerned about security than appeasing the whims of a few people's interests. Especially since you have 60,000+ credit card numbers stored on your servers.
Of course I am careful of not releasing any info that might cause security issues, but on the subject of security and CC info. that system is so secured that even CCP doesnÆt have access to it only the professional billing company that handles the transactions have access, doing CC transactions and securing that kind of data is what they do best so we leave that to them, we however are best at making virtual worlds work so thatÆs what we do :)
There are 60k+ accounts, but we all know GH-SC accounts for 80% of those
But yeah, any company dealing with transactions normally leaves the money side of things upto someone who does it better. Loosing that many credit card numbers would happily put CCP out of business without even thinking about it. Many payment gateway suppliers are insured against that sort of thing happening.
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Trevize dk
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Posted - 2005.08.09 08:08:00 -
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Originally by: SengH More importantly... how many servers power the forums?
Joking aside, is CCP ever going to make the move to solid state fibre channel drives for the database? Wouldn't that solve the i/o problems overnight? Although that would be horrendously expensive.....
Solid state disks. They cost a fortune. I dont see anybody using Solid State disks for the DB (even though it would be nice). Normale use would be to have the OS stored on these disks and have the different DB's on a seperat HW disk array. (unless of coz a SAN is used for the whole thing).
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semp
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Posted - 2005.08.09 18:25:00 -
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"....Alteon HW loadbalancers"
Alteon for the win baby. Used these when i used to work for a well known ISP in the UK (C&W) and I got to say i loved em :)
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SwitchBl4d3
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Posted - 2005.08.09 18:37:00 -
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i like toast in the morning.
so im problably going to need a toaster, there are two of us when i get up so im guessing a 4 slot toaster with rapid cook and defrost, no assuming theres two of us grabbing a slice im going to need butter and maybe jam. but my cunning scence tells me only one of us likes jam so im going to have to grab a piece of kitchen roll to wipe the jammy blade before doing the other slice of toast, assuming ive got a 2 slot toaster and have done the jammy toast first, thought if i plan it carefully i could do the non jammy toast then the jammy toast saving on a piece of kitchen roll..
hmmmm "Teh lord of Nonni"
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.08.09 18:46:00 -
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Edited by: SengH on 09/08/2005 18:46:32 Yeah I know solid state drives are used for mission critical data that is accessed by everyone very frequently... (wouldnt suprise me if googles main site was on a solid state HD). But the I/O problems that plague eve would disappear overnight along with the hardware failures... maybe in the future I guess once CCP makes enuff money off us .
Then again you could probably buy a house with each solid state HD :P Not sure if prices are still what they are but I remember someone quoting prices in the $100k range for a 40 GB solid state drive ~ 2/3 years ago.
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Swebo Claw
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Posted - 2005.08.09 19:00:00 -
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I wonder if you could tell us what sort of peak bandwidth usage you see? I'm sure 12k people logged on cangenerate a lot of traffic!
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Doc Brown
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Posted - 2005.08.09 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: SengH
Yeah I know solid state drives are used for mission critical data that is accessed by everyone very frequently... (wouldnt suprise me if googles main site was on a solid state HD). But the I/O problems that plague eve would disappear overnight along with the hardware failures... maybe in the future I guess once CCP makes enuff money off us .
Google uses their own distributed file system that they created from scratch. Do a Google search on "Google File System" to find out more than you ever wanted. _________________________________________________
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Doc Brown
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Posted - 2005.08.09 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Swebo Claw I wonder if you could tell us what sort of peak bandwidth usage you see? I'm sure 12k people logged on cangenerate a lot of traffic!
Good question.. I'm going to guess a max of about 80-90 megabytes/sec _________________________________________________
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.08.09 20:33:00 -
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bandwidth would be quite heavy but i think the monthly charges more than cover it
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2005.08.09 20:40:00 -
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This makes me look at my home PC and cry, and to think I thought mine kicked ass with 2MB broadband
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Gavin Kineli
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Posted - 2005.08.09 22:43:00 -
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Just splurge and go for 10 SQL servers. Although I'm not quite up to par on server structure/theory and all that, striping data across more servers should increase IO output, yes?
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2005.08.09 23:00:00 -
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Originally by: Trevize dk
Originally by: SengH More importantly... how many servers power the forums?
Joking aside, is CCP ever going to make the move to solid state fibre channel drives for the database? Wouldn't that solve the i/o problems overnight? Although that would be horrendously expensive.....
Solid state disks. They cost a fortune. I dont see anybody using Solid State disks for the DB (even though it would be nice). Normale use would be to have the OS stored on these disks and have the different DB's on a seperat HW disk array. (unless of coz a SAN is used for the whole thing).
Solid state disk tech is somewhat overkill. If you look at the high end SAN storage arrays, e.g. the Symmetrix DMX you'll see something that's deeply sick for doing disk IO. Fully populate your PCI bus with dual channel host bus adaptors and you can be doing disk IOs at 8Gb/sec/card, and have enough io cache on the back end to support doing that indefinitely. (A 'large' Symmetrix has cache measured in gigs, so it's more than possible to have enough cache for the entire volume to effectively be running off memory.)
Course, the price tag starts to rack up when you start looking in that direction, but I wouldn't be too suprised to find that those IO intensive servers were hooked up to some midrange SANs. Fiber channel disks, supported by very large read and write caching are pretty hard to beat.
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Coltar
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Posted - 2005.08.19 23:28:00 -
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And just to give you a warm fuzzy feeling last time I checked Microsoft charge approx ú3000 per processor for a SQL enterprise edition licence so one server costs over ú12000 in licences.
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Mr Popov
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Posted - 2005.08.20 05:08:00 -
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Originally by: Coltar And just to give you a warm fuzzy feeling last time I checked Microsoft charge approx ú3000 per processor for a SQL enterprise edition licence so one server costs over ú12000 in licences.
Let's pool our isk together, and mabye GH-SC can be persuaded grief Bill Gates into giving CCP the license for free.
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Serilla
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Posted - 2005.08.20 07:48:00 -
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very neat to hear about this stuff. Hopefully we can get some more hardware upgrades that way the coders can focus more on content than making the game work with the limited hardware.
like to see more about how the IO issues will be addressed to make all our data requests go through in less ticks
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