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Admiral Kangaroo
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Posted - 2005.08.07 18:22:00 -
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i was big into this game about 9 months ago and took a break...now, there are tons of cool things out like the stealth bomber (looking at the gallente).
now it says it receives a 19.65% reduction in cruise missile launcher energy requirements per lev. well, the smallest cruise missile launcher uses 1250MW. doing the math (if assuming the numbers are correct), i will have to make frig 5, e-u 5, and then covert 5 before i can put a cruise missile launcher (and only 1) on this boat. am i missing something here? is the description inaccurate? does it work with any missile launcher or other launchers when firing FOF missiles? is it wack or am i (or both)?
i mean a stealth bomber idea would be awesome, dump some FOF (or cruise) missiles out there and recloak, then do it again (i dont know exactly how cloaking works, but i am not asking about it right now..just wondering which way to take my new character. is it truly a stealth bomber or great idea (but junky) bomber?
thanx guys
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Linavin
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Posted - 2005.08.07 18:49:00 -
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You can fit the max amount of cruise launchers with you skills maxed, and since you need frig 5 to fly it that skill isn't a problem. But in actuall use bombers just plain suck. First your sensors need to recalibrate leaving you unable to lock for several seconds, then you fire your cruise but if you cloak again they will just disapear and won't hit the target. So with those facts in mind along with the pitiful defences of all the bombers, im still say that bombers have too few roles to be worth it.
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Admiral Kangaroo
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Posted - 2005.08.07 20:12:00 -
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thanx lina
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Darkwolf
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Posted - 2005.08.07 21:22:00 -
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19.65 * 5 = 98.25% reduction
1250 * 1.75% = 21.875
With Covert Ops 4, 21.875 * (1-0.05*4) = 17.5
So, with Frigate 5 and Covert Ops 4, they only burn 17.5MW of grid. Easy fit.
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Admiral Kangaroo
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Posted - 2005.08.07 21:35:00 -
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so in 3 months and 3 weeks, i might be able to fly one with a launcher on it?
yawn..
thanx though =)
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operated
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Posted - 2005.08.08 00:34:00 -
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I recently bought a hound and im loving it. I use it in small gangs . Damage is great and till ppl c what ship you in (thinking its a breacher) they blow up .
Most ppl here think stealth bomber should be cloaked first then decloak then fire =wrong .I do it like this : i jump the ppl c what they in pick easy target fire cruise , then if i c its getting to hot i cloak , let my gang be targeted , uncloak and get on the targets . Its a fragile ship yes but it has so many uses . I really fell in love with it .
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Litus Arowar
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Posted - 2005.08.08 03:09:00 -
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stealth bombers are definitely gang ships, not a solo ganker... you used to be able to re-cloak after firing off your cruises, but now you need someone else to take the damage for you... still, in an all-frigate or cruiser/frigate gang (read: fast) it can play great support artillery... the fragility can be easily offset by hiding like a little girl, but hey, do what you have to to survive, and let the assault frigates take the damage
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Phoenixara
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Posted - 2005.08.08 06:36:00 -
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IS that really real, about the missiles disappearing when you cloak? Cause thats a stealth nerf then. That didn't happen pre-patch, I can confirm it.
Stealth nerf for the Stealth bombers... 
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Phoenicia
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Posted - 2005.08.08 06:37:00 -
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 Originally by: Phoenixara
IS that really real, about the missiles disappearing when you cloak? Cause thats a stealth nerf then. That didn't happen pre-patch, I can confirm it.
Stealth nerf for the Stealth bombers...
LIAR! It was me, not you.
Silly alt...
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Belshamarothx
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Posted - 2005.08.08 08:07:00 -
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Originally by: Phoenixara
IS that really real, about the missiles disappearing when you cloak? Cause thats a stealth nerf then. That didn't happen pre-patch, I can confirm it.
Stealth nerf for the Stealth bombers...
Stealth Bombers can no longer fire a volley, cloak mid-cycle and have their volley affect the target (taken from Cold War Patch Notes).
Its not a stealth nerf they broadcast it, its just a "Stealth nerf" LOL, shame really but I really like my manticore, cruise missiles with a light missile xplosion radius, who could really ask for more. Yes its fragile but its a frigate, runs away fast and cloaks so doesn't really need defence, tho it could do with a little more and maybe a little more grid as 2 MAPC in the lows is irritating me atm (:p) and I still can't put anything in the 4th Hi-slot. (/me kickstarts skill training). Besides with 1 sensor booster on and more skills to get higher I already have an effective engagement range of 125km. Personally its great on lvl3s and I've been playing with the idea of using it for lvl4s to go in and frig pop b4 the torp raven makes a visit. Just my thoughts n all.
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2005.08.08 08:14:00 -
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Originally by: Phoenixara
IS that really real, about the missiles disappearing when you cloak? Cause thats a stealth nerf then. That didn't happen pre-patch, I can confirm it.
Stealth nerf for the Stealth bombers...
From patch notes, the NWO-patch:
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Stealth Bombers can no longer fire a volley, cloak mid-cycle and have their volley affect the target.
It's not a stealth nerf.
Still, CCP needs to do something about the bombers. An innate bonus to recalibration time would be a definite candidate (such as, recalibrationTime = null).
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Phoenicia
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Posted - 2005.08.08 09:13:00 -
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Edited by: Phoenicia on 08/08/2005 09:13:36
Originally by: Ithildin
From patch notes, the NWO-patch:
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Stealth Bombers can no longer fire a volley, cloak mid-cycle and have their volley affect the target.
It's not a stealth nerf.
Still, CCP needs to do something about the bombers. An innate bonus to recalibration time would be a definite candidate (such as, recalibrationTime = null).
Ok ok, so I missed a bit 
But why did they do this? Imo, give the stealth bombers this ability back and you¦ve got the balanced ship we so desire. That¦s the one thing I loved above all; to fire the missiles, cloak, and use "look at" on target and wait for the pretty lights to go boom....
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bundy bear
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Posted - 2005.08.09 09:54:00 -
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How much damage are people getting against inty's with these. With 2-3 target painters sensor booster/boosters. 1-2 dmg mods in the lows?
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Fuazzole
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Posted - 2005.08.09 10:26:00 -
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Originally by: bundy bear
How much damage are people getting against inty's with these. With 2-3 target painters sensor booster/boosters. 1-2 dmg mods in the lows?
at least 1 MAPC on the low is a requirment
i now run 2 after the offline PG nerf
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Grimwalius d'Antan
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Posted - 2005.08.09 10:54:00 -
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I don't see why people are asking for lower Recalibration times. The reason there are recalibration times is because people would otherwise whine about how lame it is that Stealth Bombers and even cloaked battleships can uncloak and wtfpwn someone. Do realize that the cloak is not a tactical tool in Stealth bombing, it is merely a contingency plan if it would need to disappear without leaving the battlefield.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.08.09 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: Grimwalius d'Antan
I don't see why people are asking for lower Recalibration times. The reason there are recalibration times is because people would otherwise whine about how lame it is that Stealth Bombers and even cloaked battleships can uncloak and wtfpwn someone.
Stealth bombers need to do that, because if they are close enough to scramble someone they are trivial to kill, and if they are at long range the target can warp off. And I haven't really seen anyone wanting less recal time on all cloaks, normally just that the bomber needs a bonus to it. Oh and cloaks also nerf scan res about as good as one damper, so lock time gets nerfed twice.
Originally by: Grimwalius d'Antan
Do realize that the cloak is not a tactical tool in Stealth bombing, it is merely a contingency plan if it would need to disappear without leaving the battlefield.
In other words useless. 12 million Isk of useless. If I want to strike targets yet remain unseen until they are in position I can just sit off grid in an assault frig and use the scanner. Unless stealth bombers get a better cloak they are never going to be anything but a silly toy.
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Boonaki
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Posted - 2005.08.09 13:19:00 -
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Stealth bombers can be very very usefull, just have to be a bit creative.
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Vishnej
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Posted - 2005.08.09 17:59:00 -
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Edited by: Vishnej on 09/08/2005 18:02:06
From what I can tell, stealth bombers ARE useful, but only due to a hidden stat that decreases explosion radius. The cloak is not to be used in combat, it's there so if they want to fulfill a covops role for 10 minutes, they can.
So full cruise missile damage against intys, or nearly so.
The prices are not CCP's fault - If the BPO's are in production, they will drop to suit demand, which should eventually be proportional to the usefulness of the ship.
The name "stealth bombers" is rather inappropriate. Think more "Precision Cruise Missile Platform".
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