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Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.08.30 01:47:00 - [61] Originally by: Aotearorian Edited by: Aotearorian on 30/08/2005 00:43:00 Well, it is not only falsone, it is RISK alliance to. We actially outgunned and prolly out SP even if we still have more members theoretically. They do not log in anyway and they have less then 1 mil sp. Yes, I undestand everythign about dampers. Problem is: you have more then 1 BS sitting at 120 km of each other. Range of dampers on my Frig is 60 km. So, if I did not warp on top of them, I had somehow get 60 KM nearer. We have 1 cover op, so, even if Lucky cover op got near one BS We can warp only to one. Ok, we lock one out, second will snipe as. But there useally 4 of them, not 2. Covert ops ships are your friend. The skills required, compared to say HACs, are minimal. -- Proud member of the [23]. Selling Capital Cargo Bays and Kernite Mining Crystal IIs, cheaper than anyone else.
Dicer Fap	Posted - 2005.08.31 13:16:00 - [62] Maybe you could realise you are in "no-win" situation that needs a withdrawal.
Aotearorian	Posted - 2005.09.01 00:23:00 - [63] Escrow bug. It seems that only last item with the same name is shown. So, When I put my Escrow for 10 mil, in a few hours my escrow is not longer visible. Now there ohter person escrow of the same think for 18 mil. That is a bug.
Jex Jast	Posted - 2005.09.01 00:58:00 - [64] Are you a bughunter? Bug catcher or collector maybe? Why find all these bugs? CCP won't pay you for any bugs you find, real bugs or not. They will most likely not fix anything at your command, and certainly not because of a forum post. So petition if you want, or ask about bugs, but don't declare bugs so outrightly...because if you've misunderstood something or missed a detail, you don't look very smart. Just saying. No offense or anything, but spend less time worrying about bugs and more playing the game. I've had plenty of fun in the game and not thought about bugs. _____________________________________________ Kills: 0 Repeats: 0 Bounties Collected...you guessed it. Gotta get these numbers off the ground.
Aotearorian	Posted - 2005.09.01 02:48:00 - [65] No, I just put here bugs that affect my game play, make me waste my time and reduce my enjoyment of the game. I am not looking for bugs and I am not posting bugs that did not upset me mach. Example of this one's will be overview bugs and some others. There who reasons why I making and continue to post in this topic: Reason one: To inform new players. Seems there no official list of bugs and problems with the game, I believe it is just fair that new players are informed about existing bugs that old players take for granted. Reason two: I hope that if developers take note about bugs new player encounter, they might fix them. It seems to me that bugs with low level stuff are so low priority on bug fixing list, so they never get fixed and just accumulated. I found out that some bugs I encounter are there for years. Actually post did have this effect, description on ammunition was fixed.
F'nog	Posted - 2005.09.01 04:02:00 - [66] Originally by: Aotearorian Escrow bug. It seems that only last item with the same name is shown. So, When I put my Escrow for 10 mil, in a few hours my escrow is not longer visible. Now there ohter person escrow of the same think for 18 mil. That is a bug. That's NOT a bug. That's how escrow is intended to work. There are a limited number of items that can be shown on escrow at one time, 250 I believe. If you do not use any of the filters to reduce the number you see, you will only see the most recently posted ones. Originally by: Idio T Only two types of people I hate in this game: People who discriminate against other races, and the French.
MooKids	Posted - 2005.09.01 04:28:00 - [67] Known Issues Known Issues & Workarounds Bug Reporting This is the NEWBIE HELP FORUM. Where we give the newbies HELP. Not a place for you to post every little thing you think is a bug. See those 3 links above? One is a list of known issues. The other is a forum for posting known issues. The third, I believe I introduced before, is BUG REPORTING. I bet you still haven't used it yet. We have these things for a reason. Also, this thread should be locked as it has gone off-topic and no longer serves a purpose. -------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity.
Aotearorian	Posted - 2005.09.01 04:31:00 - [68] Edited by: Aotearorian on 01/09/2005 04:39:25 It is a bug, because there no filtres that let you find items starting with ... It is annoing and avoidable. I can call it Name ____,.,.,,,____ and if that not engoth add 1 unit of trit to it in order to avoide this stange mechanism. It just forced you to do something stuped like that. I might argee that it is sort of intended functionality if it show the best deal, not last entrance and had a button like show all avalible deal with this name. Showing only last entrance is useless and just let people to hide better offers with a junk one's.
Aotearorian	Posted - 2005.09.01 04:45:00 - [69] Originally by: MooKids Known Issues Describing only critical issues, that effect all players and/or having drastical effect.Known Issues & Workarounds Is describing harware problem and has nothing about gameplay bugs Bug Reporting It is not my job to report bugs. As a profecianal multitude of simple bugs offends me. We are grom from baby stage and I am not longer accept that easy to test and find bugs are there for years. MOst of bugs I notice should not be there at all. They just show low profecianalism of developers. Quote:
F'nog	Posted - 2005.09.01 08:07:00 - [70] Originally by: Aotearorian Edited by: Aotearorian on 01/09/2005 04:39:25 It is a bug, because there no filtres that let you find items starting with ... It is annoing and avoidable. I can call it Name ____,.,.,,,____ and if that not engoth add 1 unit of trit to it in order to avoide this stange mechanism. It just forced you to do something stuped like that. I might argee that it is sort of intended functionality if it show the best deal, not last entrance and had a button like show all avalible deal with this name. Showing only last entrance is useless and just let people to hide better offers with a junk one's. This is like bashing my head against a wall. But anyway... It is working EXACTLY as the devs intended. Thus it is not a bug. Just because it does not work the way you want does NOT make it a bug. Originally by: Idio T Only two types of people I hate in this game: People who discriminate against other races, and the French.
MooKids	Posted - 2005.09.01 11:06:00 - [71] Edited by: MooKids on 01/09/2005 11:08:23 Originally by: Aotearorian It is not my job to report bugs. As a profecianal multitude of simple bugs offends me. We are grom from baby stage and I am not longer accept that easy to test and find bugs are there for years. MOst of bugs I notice should not be there at all. They just show low profecianalism of developers. Good, then STOP POSTING ABOUT THEM. Alright, here is a nice real world example to make you sound rather foolish. I am a pilot (what, you aren't the only one that can use their real life profession?). I get an airplane for a flight and go out to preflight it. When I get there, I find that half of the exhaust manifold is broken off, a major problem for my flight (actually happened). Now, what do I do? Option A. I go to the pilot lounge where the other pilots are. I whine, ***** and moan about the problem, complaining about the mechanics and what a stupid job they are doing. A pilot tells me to fill out a maintenance form so they can fix it. I tell them it is not my job and keep complaining about it. Option B. I go to dispatch, I fill out a maintenance form and send it to the mechanics so they can fix it. Now, which option is more likely to produce results? The thing you should also realize is that the EVE players who come on this forum are nice, helpful and mature. We want the new players to have a good experience. However, we do look down upon people who think they are too special to do things they way they are meant to. People like you. Never have I seen a person so resistant to posting a bug in the OFFICIAL channels, but constantly posting them in the UNOFFICIAL channels. And I highly doubt that you are in fact a software developer. You probably aren't even a professional as you claim, your attitude says otherwise. People who code know that bugs will happen and occur. Especially on the scale of this game. Lots of lines of code, hard for a team of 80 to find it all. That is why they want our help. We help them, they help us. And as I said before, if you are being beaten by the bug reporting page, this game is too hard for you, you should quit. -------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity.
Darinaaz Miles	Posted - 2005.09.01 18:43:00 - [72] Aotearorian - Far more offensive than a "multitude of bugs", is your arrogant and callous attitude. If you actually cared about EVE and the gaming experience it provides, you'd report your so-called bugs. It would show that you are actually trying to be a helpful part of the EVE community (like all the incredibly patient folks who have tried to explain things in this post, and countless others). Instead, you resist all logical suggestions and continue to do nothing but complain. And don't kid yourself by claiming that you are only trying to help other newcomers to the game. Unless you can somehow convince your pompous self to submit a bug report, you are nothing, absolutely nothing, other than a whiner.
Jex Jast	Posted - 2005.09.01 19:19:00 - [73] I'd say you two made a good point. Now mods, please lock this thread... _____________________________________________ Kills: 0 Repeats: 0 Bounties Collected...you guessed it. Gotta get these numbers off the ground.
Aotearorian	Posted - 2005.09.01 23:30:00 - [74] Actially complaining is doing something. CCP employers can read the forum and do something to remove source of complains. It is as simple as that.
MooKids	Posted - 2005.09.02 00:47:00 - [75] Originally by: Aotearorian Actially complaining is doing something. CCP employers can read the forum and do something to remove source of complains. It is as simple as that. So you are asking them to be inefficient by having to go through ever single post looking for a bug, instead of the efficient method of bug reporting? As I said before Aotearorian, if you are being beaten by the Bug Reporting page, you should quit this game, it is too hard for you. LOCK! -------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity.
Scoundrelus	Posted - 2005.09.02 02:16:00 - [76] Aotearorian, ive seen many people like you in different MMORPGs. I can honestly say that I despise you from the deepest corners of my heart. Why? Simply because of your SPELLING! Dear god man! If you expect people to take you seriously at least make sure your post took some EFFORT! You got some words so horribly misspelled I could barely read them! I hate bad spellers. =============================================== I will punch you with my laser! -Scoundrelus
Scoundrelus	Posted - 2005.09.02 02:17:00 - [77] Originally by: Aotearorian It look to me, from your unswers, that people in Eve like to insult other players and assume that they are stuped. First, 90% of players have no idea how thinks works. Second, I ask after I found out myself, just to confirm the bug. Read over this post and see where the delicious irony lies. =============================================== I will punch you with my laser! -Scoundrelus
F'nog	Posted - 2005.09.02 03:21:00 - [78] English obviously isn't the guy's first language, so there's no reason to rag on him for bad spelling. That being said, WOW. Just, WOW. Talk about an arrogant attitude. And I thought you were bad before. There's already a way easily to post bug reports that is efficient and simple for the devs to read and investigate. But you refuse to do that, because I guess you must be superior to them. Instead, you go about it in a way that is almost impossible for anyone to find and catalog. Just, WOW. Of course, had you actually posted a bug, instead of things that just annoy you about the game, this would be worse than it actually is. I'd hate to find out that you found a real bug at some point and it didn't get reported because you're too arrogant to use the system in place. I guess you wouldn't use whatever version of 911 there is in your country if you ever had an emergency, because it's the police/fire department's job to know that you need help, and it's a waste of your precious time to contact them yourself. Originally by: Idio T Only two types of people I hate in this game: People who discriminate against other races, and the French.
Darinaaz Miles	Posted - 2005.09.02 22:08:00 - [79] Quote: CCP employers can read the forum and do something to remove source of complains. It is as simple as that. At this point, one can only hope that CCP will indeed remove the source of complaints, by banning you from the game. So many great people playing EVE and helping out others on these boards - but of course, there always has to be people like Aot......sad, just sad. LOCK!!!!!!!!!!!!
Aotearorian	Posted - 2005.09.03 11:16:00 - [80] Shoting the mesanger? It is me who are sad. I have nothing but courteous here. You do not like my opinions? It is your opinions.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.09.03 11:40:00 - [81] Originally by: Aotearorian Shoting the mesanger? It is me who are sad. I have nothing but courteous here. You do not like my opinions? It is your opinions. CCP actually has a rule. You do not post about bugs. In fact doing so can get you banned. You report bugs. I would suggest you follow this rule. -- Proud member of the [23]. Selling Capital Cargo Bays and Kernite Mining Crystal IIs, cheaper than anyone else.
Aotearorian	Posted - 2005.09.03 11:46:00 - [82] I believe there a rule again posting of exploites. Nothing of what is posted here is exploitable (if we define exploit as gaining unfair advantage). The only people who benefit from my post are other newbies. They now would not need to waster there time trying to make think to work, that do not work.
Balam Hlar	Posted - 2005.09.03 14:26:00 - [83] lol i cant believe this thread is still open. Well just thought id say keep it up guys, this thread always brings a smile to my face "Only ships can be assembled, this is a frigate."
MooKids	Posted - 2005.09.03 15:10:00 - [84] Edited by: MooKids on 03/09/2005 15:16:37 Item number 13 of the Forum Rules specifically states Quote: Do not post about bugs and exploits. Bugs and exploits should be reported through the proper method by filing a report for our Quality Assurance department. You can find the form here. Issues discovered while playing on the Chaos test server should be noted in the Patch Review forum. Discussions about unverified problems in the game can cause unnecessary panic in the community. When there is an issue the community needs to be aware of, we will make an official statement about it. And yes, I would shoot the messenger when he constantly reports the news to the WRONG PEOPLE. Originally by: Aotearorian I believe there a rule again posting of exploites. Nothing of what is posted here is exploitable (if we define exploit as gaining unfair advantage). The only people who benefit from my post are other newbies. They now would not need to waster there time trying to make think to work, that do not work. Essentially, you are saying "screw CCP" by not reporting the bugs to them, which could have a far greater benefit to the newbies by having CCP FIX THEM if you actually used Bug Reporting. Besides, we have already established that your "bugs" are either non-issues or undocumented features. -------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity.
Annwn	Posted - 2005.09.03 23:06:00 - [85] Originally by: Aotearorian I would be probably stick to cruiser for next 1/2 year. Get learning skills up would probably take about that amount of time. So, L3 missions are not avalible. Gte some supper hurdeners? How do I know they work agains NPC? May be they do not and they demant L 5 in Mechanic or something? Ok if you are stuck in a cruiser for 1/2 a year you are definitely doing something wrong. I've been playing this game for only 3 months and I have a BC and am days away from getting a covetor. All my basic learning skill are up to lvl 5 with the 'important ones' taken further. Maybe you should be posting on this forum asking for help, that's what this forum is for after all, instead of going on and on and on, wasting your time as well as everyone elses. Btw lvl 5 mechanic will take you 2 weeks tops. and thats if you have real low attributes which would be raised by doing the learning skills
F'nog	Posted - 2005.09.04 04:41:00 - [86] Originally by: Aotearorian Shoting the mesanger? It is me who are sad. I have nothing but courteous here. You do not like my opinions? It is your opinions. If this is you being courteous, I'd hate to see what happens when you're in a bad mood. Eeeek. Originally by: Idio T Only two types of people I hate in this game: People who discriminate against other races, and the French.
Aotearorian	Posted - 2005.09.04 23:31:00 - [87] Please, do not mix disagreeing with some one from been offencive to someone. Did I do any personal attacks? Call people names? Apply that they are stuped? No! There multiply post of the nature of personal attacks here. Multiply posts that try to change topic to discass of personal fauilts of a poster. I expirience this kind of tacktic in RL. Communist party of Soviet Union was very proficient in using it. It is know burocratic trick, to divert ateention from the subject by changing to personal attack and buckering. I am trying to avoide to answer this kind of messages.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.09.04 23:36:00 - [88] Originally by: Aotearorian Communist party of Soviet Union ... to divert ateention from the subject Look who's doing exactly what he accuses others of doing. Anyways this thread is due for a lock. -- Proud member of the [23]. Selling Capital Cargo Bays and Kernite Mining Crystal IIs, cheaper than anyone else.
MooKids	Posted - 2005.09.05 00:48:00 - [89] Edited by: MooKids on 05/09/2005 00:48:17 Originally by: Aotearorian Please, do not mix disagreeing with some one from been offencive to someone. Did I do any personal attacks? Call people names? Apply that they are stuped? No! There multiply post of the nature of personal attacks here. Multiply posts that try to change topic to discass of personal fauilts of a poster. I expirience this kind of tacktic in RL. Communist party of Soviet Union was very proficient in using it. It is know burocratic trick, to divert ateention from the subject by changing to personal attack and buckering. I am trying to avoide to answer this kind of messages. Actually, you have done attacks against CCP by calling them unprofessional because of bugs that have been in the game for 2 years or whatever. Our common reply has been: FILE A BUG REPORT However, you yourself have been constantly changing the subject about how you are too good to file a bug report. You go into these rants on how you are a programmer and work with engineers and crap, then say you are trying to help the newbies, then fight with us when we say it isn't a bug, showing a constantly arrogant attitude. We haven't been changing the subject, you keep posting these "bugs" we keep telling you the PROPER AND CORRECT THING TO DO. FILE A BUG REPORT. Finally, this is the big question here. Think hard about this, as this is very important. Make sure you give a legit reply, or be subject to more flames. WHY WON'T YOU FILE A BUG REPORT? EDIT: Mods, please lock this thread -------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity.
Aotearorian	Posted - 2005.09.05 01:14:00 - [90] I am 100% sure that all this bugs were filed and reported hungreds times. Some of them as people told me are 1 year old. I am 100% sure that because fo there concentration on a new stuff this issues getting pushed in low priority and as result never been done. Why I do not see Refinery bug fix in Pach notes? On other side, it is newbies who are using old thinks. And again, it is not my JOB to file bug reports! If you are so kind, do it yourself.

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