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Stormfront
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Posted - 2005.08.08 20:22:00 -
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hmmm i just checked the map....where do i go to fight xetic?
Saw conram in/around Amarr in a Mega heading down towards Emrayur. Saw a couple of haulers around Tuntaras or Nonni
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Soulis
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Posted - 2005.08.08 20:25:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Stormfront
Quote:
hmmm i just checked the map....where do i go to fight xetic?
Saw conram in/around Amarr in a Mega heading down towards Emrayur. Saw a couple of haulers around Tuntaras or Nonni
how about in 0.0?
we've not got empire war with them
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Larno
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Posted - 2005.08.08 20:26:00 -
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Oh, by the way Cacciatore [CLS] had been stealing billions of ISK worth of minerals from the xetic treasury when xetic broke up. I promised the person who told me this I wouldn't at the time because it would cause internal trouble for xetic.. but since CLS ain't in Xetic anymore I suppose it doesn't really matter. I can post the chat logs if you like, I'm sure I have them somewhere. Also I bet lots of people know this already. Maybe it has even been posted on the forums somewhere before.
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Stormfront
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Posted - 2005.08.08 20:26:00 -
[34]
Just killed 2 MARS BS in Dz6 or a couple of jumps +-1 jump. They were kinda outnumbered as soon as the 3rd Raven cloaked and didnt help his 2 buddies.
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Soulis
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Posted - 2005.08.08 20:27:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Larno
Oh, by the way Cacciatore [CLS] had been stealing billions of ISK worth of minerals from the xetic treasury when xetic broke up. I promised the person who told me this I wouldn't at the time because it would cause internal trouble for xetic.. but since CLS ain't in Xetic anymore I suppose it doesn't really matter. I can post the chat logs if you like, I'm sure I have them somewhere. Also I bet lots of people know this already. Maybe it has even been posted on the forums somewhere before.
lol it was probably you that stole the minerals
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Larno
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Posted - 2005.08.08 20:28:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Soulis
Originally by: Larno
Oh, by the way Cacciatore [CLS] had been stealing billions of ISK worth of minerals from the xetic treasury when xetic broke up. I promised the person who told me this I wouldn't at the time because it would cause internal trouble for xetic.. but since CLS ain't in Xetic anymore I suppose it doesn't really matter. I can post the chat logs if you like, I'm sure I have them somewhere. Also I bet lots of people know this already. Maybe it has even been posted on the forums somewhere before.
lol it was probably you that stole the minerals
Uh, yeah except it happened before I was MoT! Lily Savage can verify, not sure if s/he still plays though.
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Soulis
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Posted - 2005.08.08 20:33:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Larno
Originally by: Soulis
Originally by: Larno
Oh, by the way Cacciatore [CLS] had been stealing billions of ISK worth of minerals from the xetic treasury when xetic broke up. I promised the person who told me this I wouldn't at the time because it would cause internal trouble for xetic.. but since CLS ain't in Xetic anymore I suppose it doesn't really matter. I can post the chat logs if you like, I'm sure I have them somewhere. Also I bet lots of people know this already. Maybe it has even been posted on the forums somewhere before.
lol it was probably you that stole the minerals
Uh, yeah except it happened before I was MoT! Lily Savage can verify, not sure if s/he still plays though.
good alibi. lol.
but really who cares, all your tryin to do is slag off ascn. again no one really cares bit like xetic, NO ONE REALLY CARES!
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Angelus X
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Posted - 2005.08.08 20:34:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Larno
Oh, by the way Cacciatore [CLS] had been stealing billions of ISK worth of minerals from the xetic treasury when xetic broke up. I promised the person who told me this I wouldn't at the time because it would cause internal trouble for xetic.. but since CLS ain't in Xetic anymore I suppose it doesn't really matter. I can post the chat logs if you like, I'm sure I have them somewhere. Also I bet lots of people know this already. Maybe it has even been posted on the forums somewhere before.
 Nice of you to wait, what is it? a month before bringing up more bs accusations. Some people just never let go..
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Arimas Talasko
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Posted - 2005.08.08 20:36:00 -
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I highly doubt that ASCN was "ordered" to do anything. They probably just did it because they felt like it.
Supremacy Keepin it Real
Originally by: Daniel Jackson
PLEASE TELL US WHY, WHY DO U WANT US TO DIE,
I AM JUST GOING FRIGGEN INSAIGN
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Larno
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Posted - 2005.08.08 20:43:00 -
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Edited by: Larno on 08/08/2005 20:44:08
Chatlog of M'buku spilling the beans:
Chatlog
Sorry M'buku  .
Edit: Sorry Conram also for thinking it was you .
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Soulis
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Posted - 2005.08.08 20:46:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Larno
Edited by: Larno on 08/08/2005 20:44:08
Chatlog of M'buku spilling the beans:
Chatlog
Sorry M'buku .
Edit: Sorry Conram also for thinking it was you .
ohh no!! its there in text it MUST be true.
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Scott Le'Gault
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Posted - 2005.08.08 20:50:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Larno
Edited by: Larno on 08/08/2005 20:44:08
Chatlog of M'buku spilling the beans:
Chatlog
Sorry M'buku .
Edit: Sorry Conram also for thinking it was you .
[ 2005.03.22 22:13:59 ] M'buku > bud i can tell you but i have to have your word that it stays here
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Steel Rat
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Posted - 2005.08.08 20:51:00 -
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ASCN was not ordered by anyone to do anything. Stan and I had a nice conversation and asked if I had a problem setting FSA to -10. I said, let me talk to Cyvok. We decided we didn't have a problem with that and I offered to set XF and Foundation as well to -10. Some of the posts in this very thread show exactly why XF got added to that list.
You trolls can say what you want, ASCN and the 5 know how it really works. We don't demand anything from each other. We are seperate entities that work totally independent of each other. It just so happens, I got no problem blowing up FSA, XF, Foundation and friends. Might actually get some fights out of them, unlike the MC.
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Larno
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Posted - 2005.08.08 20:54:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Scott Le'Gault
Originally by: Larno
Edited by: Larno on 08/08/2005 20:44:08
Chatlog of M'buku spilling the beans:
Chatlog
Sorry M'buku .
Edit: Sorry Conram also for thinking it was you .
[ 2005.03.22 22:13:59 ] M'buku > bud i can tell you but i have to have your word that it stays here
At this point, we weren't expecting CLS and DDC to form their own alliance. Changes things a little don't ya think?
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BlackDog Rackh'am
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Posted - 2005.08.08 21:06:00 -
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I agree that we left after CLS and DDC...well,we were buying time until they'd secured their regions and then they would come help us clean ours. After they left,there was not a lot of corps we could look to for help. Being small in numbers and mostly euro timezone,we needed more manpower and some way to cover the US timezone if we ever were to reclaim immensea.
We were not fighting for the arkonor huggers,we were fighting for CLS/DDC,even if the officials that caused the [5] war were members of those 2 corps, and for the rest of the people who actually cared enough to risk their ships.After they decided to nap the enemy they had themselves brought to our doorstep,there was not much left to fight for.
That's what really made it stink for a lot of us.Being a lazy moneymaker and seeing the muscle of the alliance leave you to die is one thing,risking ships with them and for your common benefit like we did,and watching them bail out on you,is another....guess what's worse.It's not someone we didn't care about,we killed and died together with these guys and suddenly we had no choice but to watch them go and hug the enemy.
Especially after all the forum wars and smack against cyvok regarding the SCA(which nevertheless was a political and diplomatic FUBAR of epic proportions),and the way some of us tried to stand up for him,seeing them all suddenly cheer for [5] was a hell-freezes-over type of affair to put it mildly....
Since cyvok wanted to attack the [5] no matter what,i fail to see why XF naped them only for CLS to kill that shinra hauler a couple of days later,and then impose ridiculous demands on them,enforced by a coalition that most of it's members didn't know they were part of.Also the fact that stain was mentioned as part of the SCA is the excuse that mass and co used to attack XF as well,ie "you get our friends in trouble without asking them".
A better way to handle it would have been to declare the [5] KOS the moment they said they would come to curse and stick with that decision.An even better way,make THEM break the NAP and use the time till that point to prepare for the war. A NAP with the [5] would be good,XF would just have to include a statement that attacking foundation would break the NAP.The [5] attack foundation,XF attacks [5],you get what you wanted and you don't screw up the alliance's public image,neither do you bring an extra enemy on your doorstep.
Looking back at all this,and hearing CLS/DDC members say they wanted to leave XF way before all this happened,i can't help but wonder one thing....was it all master-minded from the start? Were the XF's people in power at that time (cyvok,KSUdruid and cordy mainly,all CLS/DDC members) deliberately making bad moves to bring about XF's collapse?If they did it's the mother of all treacheries.If they didn't,then the political maneuvers executed leave a lot to be desired.(Mind you,i mean before the war,people too lazy to fight later on was something they really had to put up and it tied their hands,i agree).Please don't flame this,it's not meant as flamebait,it's an honest question.However,it's a point i believe noone will answer honestly,because it's like asking someone "Hey,choose one...are you a traitor or just plain stupid?"
Anyway,i can't say i'm bitter about it all.In fact now that some time has transpired it's actually kind of nice to reflect and discuss stuff like that,we can look at it in a calmer way and excercise better judgement. Of course i don't expect people on different sides to agree,so i'd like it if we skip the "convince the other guy" part and just stick to giving the subjective facts from each one's point of view.
There ya go,that's so flame-free that i make up for all the smack in NBSI posts thus far  ...post away fellow forum crawlers 
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Silvitni
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Posted - 2005.08.08 21:06:00 -
[46]
My upmost respect to Larno for telling us this.
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BlackDog Rackh'am
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Posted - 2005.08.08 21:17:00 -
[47]
OMG,i took so long to type the last one,i missed the revelations....Only one thing to say to Larno...respect
P.S Looking forward to some clean fights with wildcats now that you're fix.Tell your alliance buddies to leave our pipeline alone!
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.08.08 21:32:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Steel Rat
Might actually get some fights out of them, unlike the MC.
What do you consider a fight exactly?
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We're outnumbered! That simplifies the problem! |
Ithildin
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Posted - 2005.08.08 21:54:00 -
[49]
This is a post by the pilot, not the Corporation and not the MC.
Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am
<Long and read-worthy text about the XF break-up>
I do hear and agree to what you are saying. This is precisely why I have so little respect left for DDC and CLS. We never did see them where it truely mattered, in the industrial heart of Curse, and they always did present a lot of trouble for the alliance decissions and hardly ever cared about reinforcing their easter XF friends. This is not saying that ALL of the Omistian or other eastern corps pulled their weight (after all, not pulling their PvP weight was the signature problem for XF)
Here I had written a long tirade about XF, the forming of ASCN, and more. I decided against posting it.
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Adhamhnon
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Posted - 2005.08.08 21:55:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Larno
Originally by: Scott Le'Gault
Originally by: Larno
Edited by: Larno on 08/08/2005 20:44:08
Chatlog of M'buku spilling the beans:
Chatlog
Sorry M'buku .
Edit: Sorry Conram also for thinking it was you .
[ 2005.03.22 22:13:59 ] M'buku > bud i can tell you but i have to have your word that it stays here
At this point, we weren't expecting CLS and DDC to form their own alliance. Changes things a little don't ya think?
Doesn't change the fact that you're a lying sack of you know what. You posted (then deleted) that you had taken the XF assets before we left to "protect them from CYVOK". Then you deleted the post and accused us of it. Now you go back to an earlier theft, and magically appear with a chatlog that says it was Cacciatore. Even if the chatlog isn't a total invention on your part... all it shows is you and someone else accusing someone... that's not proof. Gee I wonder why so many of us want to kill you and every other person like you in the remnants of XF. Look in the mirror and you'll know EXACTLY why.
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Christopher Multsanti
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Posted - 2005.08.08 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Steel Rat
Might actually get some fights out of them, unlike the MC.
What do you consider a fight exactly?
Powned
Your not from New York City your From Rotherham! |
Scott Le'Gault
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Posted - 2005.08.08 22:00:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Christopher Multsanti
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Steel Rat
Might actually get some fights out of them, unlike the MC.
What do you consider a fight exactly?
Powned
Hows that corp-wide pledge working out?
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Larno
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Posted - 2005.08.08 22:05:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Adhamhnon
Originally by: Larno
Originally by: Scott Le'Gault
Originally by: Larno
Edited by: Larno on 08/08/2005 20:44:08
Chatlog of M'buku spilling the beans:
Chatlog
Sorry M'buku .
Edit: Sorry Conram also for thinking it was you .
[ 2005.03.22 22:13:59 ] M'buku > bud i can tell you but i have to have your word that it stays here
At this point, we weren't expecting CLS and DDC to form their own alliance. Changes things a little don't ya think?
Doesn't change the fact that you're a lying sack of you know what. You posted (then deleted) that you had taken the XF assets before we left to "protect them from CYVOK". Then you deleted the post and accused us of it. Now you go back to an earlier theft, and magically appear with a chatlog that says it was Cacciatore. Even if the chatlog isn't a total invention on your part... all it shows is you and someone else accusing someone... that's not proof. Gee I wonder why so many of us want to kill you and every other person like you in the remnants of XF. Look in the mirror and you'll know EXACTLY why.
Firstly, I can't seem to delete posts on the forum.. its probably got something to do with not being a moderator. Secondly, I can only laugh at your arrogance of not believing this log. Maybe M'buku will post on the forums here confirming this.. but I doubt you would believe him either.
If you read the chatlog, you will understand that through a deduction (i.e. process of elimination) Cacciatore is the only one who could have been the thief. As for taking the xetic ISK from the holding wallet.. that wasn't me, that was Neslo [LIH], who was protecting it from ASCN. Why shouldn't he? It's not your ISK. And finally, that stuff was only the ISK. Im talking about minerals here, and during the ASCN splitoff they went missing too. Could have been anyone that time, there is no way to deduce who it was. Could have been Neslo, could have been M'buku for all I know. Though it makes more sense that it was Cacciatore to be honest.
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Adhamhnon
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Posted - 2005.08.08 22:12:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Larno
Originally by: Adhamhnon
Originally by: Larno
Originally by: Scott Le'Gault
Originally by: Larno
Edited by: Larno on 08/08/2005 20:44:08
Chatlog of M'buku spilling the beans:
Chatlog
Sorry M'buku .
Edit: Sorry Conram also for thinking it was you .
[ 2005.03.22 22:13:59 ] M'buku > bud i can tell you but i have to have your word that it stays here
At this point, we weren't expecting CLS and DDC to form their own alliance. Changes things a little don't ya think?
Doesn't change the fact that you're a lying sack of you know what. You posted (then deleted) that you had taken the XF assets before we left to "protect them from CYVOK". Then you deleted the post and accused us of it. Now you go back to an earlier theft, and magically appear with a chatlog that says it was Cacciatore. Even if the chatlog isn't a total invention on your part... all it shows is you and someone else accusing someone... that's not proof. Gee I wonder why so many of us want to kill you and every other person like you in the remnants of XF. Look in the mirror and you'll know EXACTLY why.
Firstly, I can't seem to delete posts on the forum.. its probably got something to do with not being a moderator. Secondly, I can only laugh at your arrogance of not believing this log. Maybe M'buku will post on the forums here confirming this.. but I doubt you would believe him either.
If you read the chatlog, you will understand that through a deduction (i.e. process of elimination) Cacciatore is the only one who could have been the thief. As for taking the xetic ISK from the holding wallet.. that wasn't me, that was Neslo [LIH], who was protecting it from ASCN. Why shouldn't he? It's not your ISK. And finally, that stuff was only the ISK. Im talking about minerals here, and during the ASCN splitoff they went missing too. Could have been anyone that time, there is no way to deduce who it was. Could have been Neslo, could have been M'buku for all I know. Though it makes more sense that it was Cacciatore to be honest.
What I care about is it was taken, then we were accused repeatedly of stealing it. "It makes sense that it was Cacciatore" is only because you have a grudge against Cacciatore. That's not proof, that's bias. The fact that you would even come to this forum with this supposed 'proof' is exactly the type of reasoning why we left. This petty crap was BS then, and it's BS now. I'm pretty sure those minerals lined ION corp and X-Trader's pockets... and I could have a conversation with CYVOK about it, and he could agree and say "it makes sense." That makes it opinion, not fact, though that is what I believe is true.
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Larno
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Posted - 2005.08.08 22:16:00 -
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"It makes sense" that the balance of minerals were stolen by Cacciatore when ASCN was formed. But it WAS cacciatore that had been stealing in the months and months before that. Btw I very much dislike Ion corp, and I left them a while back. You don't really know much do you. BTW I think XT has enough iskies to not have to steal anything.
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"Whining gets you stuff, that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed." |
KSUDruid
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Posted - 2005.08.08 22:22:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Steel Rat
Might actually get some fights out of them, unlike the MC.
What do you consider a fight exactly?
Something other than running around ganking our solo pilots in HAC's and frigs. Nothing derrogatory meant by it, by all means keep it up. My pilots have obviously gotten a bit rusty, we totally appreciate the re-education.
And puh-leez larno. Your corruption and all the rest of the BS you, SJ Talsar, Olyyy, Conram and all the Xetic "Good ol' boys club" were the reason we flipped you the bird and did our own thing. Would do it again in a heartbeat if asked.
-Druid "Civis Ascendant"
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Adhamhnon
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Posted - 2005.08.08 22:26:00 -
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Here's where your argument dies. I know Cacciatore. I know Cacciatore didn't steal the minerals. I know that's not his nature. And I also know that you, and all the rest of the ex-XF will use anything possible to try and discredit us, out of your sense of being 'betrayed'. This kind of unproven bs allegations here on the eve-o forums just proves to me that you are beneath contempt, since you broke your word to the person in the chatlogs you posted. You've proven to all the people that didn't know that you're dishonourable, nice work on that.
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Voltron
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Posted - 2005.08.08 22:26:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Steel Rat
Might actually get some fights out of them, unlike the MC.
What do you consider a fight exactly?
Easily one of the best answers I've ever seen on these forums.
Volt
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Rangar
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Posted - 2005.08.08 22:33:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Adhamhnon
Gee I wonder why so many of us want to kill you and every other person like you in the remnants of XF.
Well,
but you know, that (except that one short posting from Yoristar) nobody from XF (which is just four(!) small/medium industrial based corps, not to forget) has said a single word in this thread?
You know, that XF (just us 4, we are not more) has never said a single bad word against ASCN?
You know, that XF never attacked ASCN in any way? Not ourselves, not with mercenaries, not at all?
You know, that until today, before you attacked our ships without a single word as a warning to a former alliance mate we thought about you as a honorable former ally and friend?
We were proofed wrong. We will not make this mistake again. I havenŠt believed the accusations against some former leading XF members before. I respected the reasons for leaving XF and forming an own alliance, even if I didnŠt agree with the reasons. But after been backstabbed again by DDC without any reason (except following the orders of {5] or because you fear them), I begin to believe, that honor is a word, DDC has to look in a dictionary for.
Whatever Xetic will do in the future, it will not happen on such low levels.
Greetings
Rangar
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Larno
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Posted - 2005.08.08 22:37:00 -
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@ KSUDruid - If you hate corruption so much then why do you love CYVOK so much? After all, he did spend 3bil hiring MC against FoE behind your back. Money that would have been better spent paying for a DDC fleet back then.
@ Adhamhnon - Here's where your argument falls apart; "I know Cacciatore and I know it's not in his nature". He's hardly gonna burst out in corp chat 'I stole xetic iskies for my personal wallet' is he? Then you wont trust him as a member of your own corp.
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"Whining gets you stuff, that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed." |
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