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Layrex
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Posted - 2005.08.08 19:11:00 -
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I've flown a scorp for about 2 months now, and tonight had my first large scale fleet engagment in it (having only 1v1'd in it before). I was instantly called primary and was able to fire one salvo off before having to warp out.
Is this almost always the case? I guess my simple name dosn't help either. It's a shame because the scorp is such a great ship (I don't use ew).
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JoCool
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Posted - 2005.08.08 19:13:00 -
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Yes. Shield tank it with extenders and hardeners, you're the maintank /wow :)
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Layrex
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Posted - 2005.08.08 19:17:00 -
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I did, only reason I got out. =)
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Bruchpilot
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Posted - 2005.08.08 19:20:00 -
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Edited by: Bruchpilot on 08/08/2005 19:20:04
In a large fleetbattle the targetcallers always call the name of the BS pilot who is closer to his fleet. Of course they will call your name if they scouted your fleet before and see you in firing range.
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2005.08.08 19:26:00 -
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No, it's not always the case.
When I was fighting FIX we'd have these battles from 80 to 100km. Very few people were tanked. It was all about focusing fire because each battle lasted 30 seconds or less before both sides warped out. We'd sort our overviews alphabetically and warp in and start firing on the first guy. We did this because when you only have 30 seconds, it's easier if everyone knows what they are doing rather than waiting for a fleet commander to determine ship types and call targets that way. We didn't even know what we were shooting at until they were locked.
Point being, it depends on the scenario. I'm a proponent of shooting Geddons first because 1) they do a lot of damage, 2) they usually aren't tanked so they'll die fast. Apocs can shoot from 120km and still have a full tank. But they don't do devistating damage, they are best ignored cause they aren't hurting you and you won't be hurting them. Tempests are a good first target as well. It seems like Scorps are so rare anymore that one out of 20+ people probably can't do that much damage to the enemy fleet. Get 10 Scorps and 10 Tempests and you'll be unbeatable.
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2005.08.08 20:57:00 -
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 Originally by: Bruchpilot
In a large fleetbattle the targetcallers always call the name of the BS pilot who is closer to his fleet.
Damn, I knew it wasn't so that hard to win fleet battles.
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Captin Biltmore
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Posted - 2005.08.08 22:49:00 -
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Wow, that's not very smart warfare. Get a covert ops on the enemy fleet #1. #2, determine the fleet's ships. #3 PRE-DECLAIRE primary and secondary targets. This only takes about 30-45sec if your covert pilot is good. Primary targets are going to be EW (scorp and BB) and massive damage dealers that have little or no tank (gankageddon). You never call an interceptor as primary target. I can imagine it now:
"Warp In Warp IN"
*top person on overview is AAMAZA*
Everyone locks and starts shooting aamaza with their 30 man BS fleet...only to find out he's in a crusader doing 4500m/s and NOBODY is hitting him while the enemy fleet is toasting your BS's. Once you get wise, declaire the secondary as primary the enemy fleet is now gone, with 0 losses and you are missing 2 scorps and a geddon.....
This is the reason I don't fly with fleet commanders that I don't know/haven't been reccommended to me by a known good fleet commander. If I was in your gang and you advised this approach....I'd just insta out of system and laugh.
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Sobeseki Pawi
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Posted - 2005.08.08 22:57:00 -
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Blob warfare is clumsy and costly. But a well organized fleet is not a cakewalk to get goin. So Blobs are what people will do till it stops working for them.
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Kyle Caldrel
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Posted - 2005.08.08 23:46:00 -
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A good fleet commander will beat Alphabetical shooting anyday.
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Remedial
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Posted - 2005.08.08 23:52:00 -
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Scorps will be primary until the Command people get leadership skills up.
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Shayla Sh'inlux
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Posted - 2005.08.08 23:53:00 -
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If BS pilots have only BS on their scanners, working top down isn't that bad if you don't know scorp pilots ahead of time.
In 70 vs 70 engagements it often takes a while to find the primary on your scanner even if it's sorted alphabetically if you can understand the name right the first time.
Both are a reason to just work the scanner down in really big fights. Sure, a good fleet commander calling proper targets and shooting those fast will beat it, but just isn't always practical.
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Kashre
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Posted - 2005.08.08 23:58:00 -
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Edited by: Kashre on 09/08/2005 00:00:40
This is just my opinion, and marginally off-topic, but this whole "blob" thing has got to stop.
IF you have a 3-4 ship force as targets and you bring 20 BS to kill it, sure you can call that blobbing. But there is no such thing as blobbing in a real fleet battle. If your alliance has 100 combat ready PvPers to meet an invasion fleet with, that's what you're going to use. I might tell people to stopping asking to get in the gang if I had a 25% numerical edge against 10 or fewer ships... but when it comes to real fleets you should be throwing everything but the kitchen sink at the bad guys, imo.
As for how to run fleets... there are different ways, and they have their pros and cons... A question of how effective your fire will be vs how many target you get to engage, and a lot of stuff effects your decision... i.e. can you get tacklers on them, are they already aligned to warp out, do they have a buttload of EW ships, is Alowishus in their fleet (cause he always has to be primary :P), etc.
As for the original question: Do scorps always get called targets first thing... yes, IF your target caller feels that you have the luxury of having people waste a couple of seconds finding you on the over view and locking you.
From what Ive seen, people that try to call specific targets call them in this order:
Fleet commanders (if known)
Scorps
geddeons
Tempests
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Captin Biltmore
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Posted - 2005.08.09 00:14:00 -
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Heh, there is a way of your gang mates 'finding the primary target on the overview'. Actually there is 2 ways, 1 easy - but not as safe, the 2nd harder - but relatively very safe. I don't care if it's 200+ BS fleet, there are ways to get your chosen primary instantly found by everyone in your gang.
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Richard Masterson
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Posted - 2005.08.09 00:25:00 -
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Back on topic. . . Many fleet commanders, especially in smaller fleets, realize the EW damage that a Scorpion can do. A scorpion can effectively render multiple enemy battleships harmless by target jamming. The idea is not to kill the jammed bs, but to keep him from killing your ships. This can instantly swing the battle to one side's favor. (For this reason you may also see BBs targeted with a higher priority than other cruisers.) The problem for the Scorp and BB pilots is that they rarely have room for a tank if they fit EW, and vice versa for tanking. In your particular case, your fleet was probably scouted by the opposing fleet and your name was called primary before the engagement.
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Death Merchant
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Posted - 2005.08.09 00:35:00 -
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Fly a typhoon... the enemy will start looting cans before they start shooting at you 
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2005.08.09 00:57:00 -
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Er, why shouldn't the (suspected) target jamming ships be called primary first?
A single jamming scorp can cycle jam multiple ships now - that means that a couple scorps with luck can shut down an entire fleet (well squadron). Thus, it would be gross incompetance for a fleet commander to not target scorpions first because they can change the entire outcome of the battle if they get lucky with jamming.
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hired goon
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Posted - 2005.08.09 09:11:00 -
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Fly an EW domi with a char whose name consists solely of vowels.
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Asterian XVV
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Posted - 2005.08.09 09:45:00 -
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Basically
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Antoinette Civari
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Posted - 2005.08.09 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: hired goon
Fly an EW domi with a char whose name consists solely of vowels.
Or with a char called "primary target" or "secondary target" =o
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.08.09 12:40:00 -
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Imagine an entire fleet with people whose names are written in Binary, thats gotta be fun on the enemy ts. 
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slothe
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Posted - 2005.08.09 13:02:00 -
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my scorps called "primary target".
yes they are generally called first targets.
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Layrex
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Posted - 2005.08.09 17:32:00 -
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Maybe I should use a different ship for fleets then, as i'm not jamming with it. Still great for 1on1's.
Thx for all the replies.
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2005.08.09 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: hired goon
Fly an EW domi with a char whose name consists solely of vowels.
Flying around in fleet battles with unpronouncable names is not a deterrent to being called primary.
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hired goon
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Posted - 2005.08.09 18:52:00 -
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Maybe not, but imagine the enemy TS!
When fighting 'Vowel Immortalis':
Commander> Primary target is Aeauoiau. Secondary target Ouuaoui.
Soldier> What?
Commander> Aeauoiau is primary! Ouuaoui secondary!
Soldier> Gimme a sec...
When fighting 'Band Of Binary':
Commander> Primary target is 110100110, secondary is 1000111101.
Soldier> Ok... um, could you repeat that?
Commander> 110100110 primary, 1000111101 secondary.
Soldier> Um...
When fighting 'Not Secondary Shoot It':
Commander> Primary target is secondary target. Secondary is Primary target.
Soldier> What the f...
Commander> Nevermind, secondary target warped out. Primary target is now Primary target. Secondary target is Primary.
Soldier> Dude seriously. Wtf.
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Dimitri Forgroth
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Posted - 2005.08.09 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: hired goon
Maybe not, but imagine the enemy TS!
When fighting 'Vowel Immortalis':
Commander> Primary target is Aeauoiau. Secondary target Ouuaoui.
Soldier> What?
Commander> Aeauoiau is primary! Ouuaoui secondary!
Soldier> Gimme a sec...
When fighting 'Band Of Binary':
Commander> Primary target is 110100110, secondary is 1000111101.
Soldier> Ok... um, could you repeat that?
Commander> 110100110 primary, 1000111101 secondary.
Soldier> Um...
When fighting 'Not Secondary Shoot It':
Commander> Primary target is secondary target. Secondary is Primary target.
Soldier> What the f...
Commander> Nevermind, secondary target warped out. Primary target is now Primary target. Secondary target is Primary.
Soldier> Dude seriously. Wtf.
Oh man, just rofl..
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Waut
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Posted - 2005.08.09 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Hllaxiu
Er, why shouldn't the (suspected) target jamming ships be called primary first?
A single jamming scorp can cycle jam multiple ships now - that means that a couple scorps with luck can shut down an entire fleet (well squadron). Thus, it would be gross incompetance for a fleet commander to not target scorpions first because they can change the entire outcome of the battle if they get lucky with jamming.
what he said
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Waut
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Posted - 2005.08.09 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: hired goon
Maybe not, but imagine the enemy TS!
When fighting 'Vowel Immortalis':
Commander> Primary target is Aeauoiau. Secondary target Ouuaoui.
Soldier> What?
Commander> Aeauoiau is primary! Ouuaoui secondary!
Soldier> Gimme a sec...
When fighting 'Band Of Binary':
Commander> Primary target is 110100110, secondary is 1000111101.
Soldier> Ok... um, could you repeat that?
Commander> 110100110 primary, 1000111101 secondary.
Soldier> Um...
When fighting 'Not Secondary Shoot It':
Commander> Primary target is secondary target. Secondary is Primary target.
Soldier> What the f...
Commander> Nevermind, secondary target warped out. Primary target is now Primary target. Secondary target is Primary.
Soldier> Dude seriously. Wtf.
pure genious 
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Layrex
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Posted - 2005.08.09 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: hired goon
Maybe not, but imagine the enemy TS!
When fighting 'Vowel Immortalis':
Commander> Primary target is Aeauoiau. Secondary target Ouuaoui.
Soldier> What?
Commander> Aeauoiau is primary! Ouuaoui secondary!
Soldier> Gimme a sec...
When fighting 'Band Of Binary':
Commander> Primary target is 110100110, secondary is 1000111101.
Soldier> Ok... um, could you repeat that?
Commander> 110100110 primary, 1000111101 secondary.
Soldier> Um...
When fighting 'Not Secondary Shoot It':
Commander> Primary target is secondary target. Secondary is Primary target.
Soldier> What the f...
Commander> Nevermind, secondary target warped out. Primary target is now Primary target. Secondary target is Primary.
Soldier> Dude seriously. Wtf.
rofl
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VossKarr
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Posted - 2005.08.09 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: hired goon
Maybe not, but imagine the enemy TS!
When fighting 'Vowel Immortalis':
Commander> Primary target is Aeauoiau. Secondary target Ouuaoui.
Soldier> What?
Commander> Aeauoiau is primary! Ouuaoui secondary!
Soldier> Gimme a sec...
When fighting 'Band Of Binary':
Commander> Primary target is 110100110, secondary is 1000111101.
Soldier> Ok... um, could you repeat that?
Commander> 110100110 primary, 1000111101 secondary.
Soldier> Um...
When fighting 'Not Secondary Shoot It':
Commander> Primary target is secondary target. Secondary is Primary target.
Soldier> What the f...
Commander> Nevermind, secondary target warped out. Primary target is now Primary target. Secondary target is Primary.
Soldier> Dude seriously. Wtf.
I actually tried to pronounce those out loud!
Thanks for making my day!
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Hast
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Posted - 2005.08.10 00:00:00 -
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I've been thinking about petitioning everyone in the corp and getting their names changed to Eveplayer 31245 etc.
imagine that
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