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Private Idaho
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Posted - 2003.07.21 15:13:00 -
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I posted this on the other secions, but wanted to bring it up here.
I see all the questions about ore theives and such. And most say it is public domain once you jetision the ore. And the Devs all say get the secure containers off the market. Which I did.
I did some experimenting this weekend and found out a few things.
1. The current Large containers can hold 490 m3 of ore or items. Not great but what the heck, its a start.
2. I left the container out for at least 3 hours and it didn't explode during that time. This is great also.
3. When you try to "Scoop" it, a dialog box will come up and ask for the Password. Very nice.
4. When you get close enough to open it and try to open it, again it will ask for the password. Again very nice.
Overall very pleased with the containers, but could be larger, as far as I am concerned, but still happy.
Now my question, as I could not do this my self. If someone tries to open/scoop the container and doesn't know the password, it will just sit there, not allowing the person to open or put the container in their cargo bay. If this person gets mad and then starts to shoot the container, what will happen? Will they take a secrurity hit? Like if you started shooting at mining drone or combat drone?
Just wondering what are the consequinces of this type of act would be.
And again I am really happy they finally got them in the game now. Maybe this will help with the ore theives, for a while.
Thanks...
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Muaddid
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Posted - 2003.07.21 20:23:00 -
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best way to find out is to try it out... probably preferably on chaos ;)
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Private Idaho
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Posted - 2003.07.21 20:47:00 -
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I found out from a person that does play on Chaos, that the cargo containers are basically indestructable.
She tried shooting one of the containers for over 2k of hits and was still intact.
This information is great news now as you can put the containers out there and only the one/ones that have the password will be able to open them. No one takes a security hit. And no one loses the container.
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Cool dude
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Posted - 2003.07.23 15:07:00 -
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I tried one out last night and the amount you can put in them is pityfull. I had it filled in three minutes.
I was so impressed I left it floating in a roid belt
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Engilars
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Posted - 2003.07.24 12:03:00 -
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VERY COOL ; I have been wondering theese things myself. I have 1 more question though, when u empty it, can u bring it with u again? or is it for 1 time use?
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ULTIMA TREX
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Posted - 2003.07.24 12:38:00 -
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u scoop it to cargo
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Private Idaho
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Posted - 2003.07.24 14:33:00 -
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Engliars,
They are reusable as much as you want to use them. Like someone said, they fill up pretty fast, but I am still able to get 816 m3 of omber in one BEFORE todays (7/24/03) Patch.
You have to be able to know the Password to scoop them into your ship and have to know the Password when you want to open them.
What I have been doing it take one with my mining ship, drop if off, mine and fill my miner and secure container, go back to the staion, pick up another container and rinse and repeat. Once I have done enough mining, go back and get my indy and "Scoop" all the continers in to the ship and head back to the station and empty them.
It is a lot longer process than jetisoning the items in space and then coming back, but it definately more secure.
Hope this helps....
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Engilars
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Posted - 2003.07.24 15:03:00 -
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I am using them now, I put 6 of the largest ones in my Indy, and place them in a field, and go mine there in my Cruiser, and fill'em up, and so on. cool for solo play when others are asleep :)
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Robomonkey
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Posted - 2003.07.25 11:17:00 -
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I'm curious about something, did I read correctly that the containers can hold 20% more than the volume???
If so you could put a can, in a can, in a can, an infinite amount of times 
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Private Idaho
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Posted - 2003.07.25 12:58:00 -
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Edited by: Private Idaho on 25/07/2003 12:58:48
Robomonkey,
I think the Devs had already thought of that. They posted this in the News section.
The Planck theory strikes again! This time in container tech.
Yet another usage of the age-old Planck theory has been discovered, this time in the field of cargo container technology. Advancements in Planck bubble generation technologies made by researchers at Duvolle Laboratories have allowed for the creation of containers that have higher capacity than volume. The scientists were searching for ways to utilize the Planck theory in the lucrative dieting market by creating a new girder that would hide excess fat. Although still unsuccesful in this lofty pursuit the new container technology is a happy side-effect that all space farers are sure to appreaciate. The new technology has already spread to every corner of the world. As a result, all containers can now contain 20% more than the space they occupy. The Planck bubble generator is a delecate equipment and has the added restriction over the old containers of not being able to stack. It is impossible to place a Planck bubble generator within another bubble, as that would cause a violent shifting graviton chain reaction, with a catastrophic breakdown of causality.
So I don't know what would happen, but I am sure I don't want to find out...
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Abbet
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Posted - 2003.07.25 16:06:00 -
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I tested the despawn time on these cans... left 2 of them at a random location for 3 days... yes DAYS.. and went back to find them still in tact.
Very VERY nice items for say... solo hunters, to dump loot in when, oh, 10 jumps from base.
Suggest people start making loot dump spots for their corporations, make a set password for your corpmates to be able to dump into them, and have routine pickups to clean them out.
Another thing too.. if you put your cargo into these before placing it into your indy for shipments, it might be a deterant for some pirates. As they will 1)not know what you really have in there. 2)not even be able to get it once they have destroyed your ship.
If that last theory is true too, that means doing shipments with ultra special items, ie. Blue Prints, is little to no risk, as your can will still be there post ship destruction, until you decide is a good time to pick it up. Even DAYS later.
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Calisarius
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Posted - 2003.07.26 11:46:00 -
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Hmm I'm curious can we get na official word on the despawn time on a secure container in space ?
Permanent lifespan will have several huge advantages for ppl operating in far out regions as the'd allow ammo/loot stockpiles for use or later pickup well away from a station system.
However... Permanent containers will surely lead to excessive gate camping exploitability(not saying that anyone would intentionally jettison lots of containers to cause lag), as the containers can be jettisoned by ships being attacked by hostile pirates in desperate situations.. and those containers would increase in numbers till huge load time lag will exist for incomming players.
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Entity
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Posted - 2003.07.26 13:56:00 -
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Good point actually.
Apparently there's nop jettisoning penalty for bought cans, you can eject as many as you like as fast as you can. Pretty easy for an indy to fill up with 100 of them small ones and deploy them at <favorite_gate_camping_spot>.
Heck, even if there was a penalty, it'd only take a few hours to deploy the permanent lag-beacon.
Now you bad boys don't go and do that though ;-)
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