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Atandros	Posted - 2005.08.10 03:27:00 - [31] Edited by: Atandros on 10/08/2005 03:27:43 Originally by: nitr0s Originally by: Professor McFly Coincidentally the same people complained about people staying in empire and making money off mining and mission running there. Weird huh. There is so much space open to anyone who wants to ask to use and/or pay a fee. Eve, as in life, nothig is free. If you are too lazy or prideful to ask, you already failed. Spot on with the general "work for it" sentiment, but I'd like to add that being prideful doesn't have to be a hindrance; NPCing or mining simply by sneaking into claimed territory are perfectly valid and lucrative options too. The initial investment money for Jericho Fraction's currently massive T2 industry, for example, was gathered by chaining Sanshas in Stain under the then-SA's nose.
Wraeththu	Posted - 2005.08.10 05:18:00 - [32] Also, something someone hinted at (I think the G-Alliance guy) but didn't actually come out and say, an NPC corp isn't generally considered neutral. There are people out there that will let go, ask to buy a pass, or escort out a known neutral corp; but they'll gank & pod an NPC or low-person-count corp member due to the high likelyhood of them being a spy.
Darken Two	Posted - 2005.08.10 06:26:00 - [33] Originally by: Kyle Caldrel Originally by: Acwron Edited by: Acwron on 09/08/2005 20:32:06 Originally by: Kyle Caldrel Every alliance has a NBSI policy. However, you can get around it by negotiating with the people who occupy the space FIRST so taht the owners wont shoot you. however, 0.0 is never 100% safe, so good luck. Well not true. We do not shoot Neutrals but still and will make your life a lot easier if you get in contact with us before running around :). Ah and just to get this straight. NPC Corp = KOS And you are? FE's mineing slaves? nuff said. CE are the lead corp in G. Next time, atleast check before you shove your entire foot up your mouth. Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
pershphanie	Posted - 2005.08.10 06:58:00 - [34] Our alliance official view on neutrals: There is no such thing as a neutral. There are friends, and enemies you just havent met yet.
F'nog	Posted - 2005.08.10 07:24:00 - [35] Originally by: pershphanie Our alliance official view on neutrals: There is no such thing as a neutral. There are friends, and enemies you just havent met yet. This is a very wise stance. Sun Tzu would be proud. Originally by: Morela "hey! I'm gonna go attack the north! Afk till tuesday!"
Ithildin	Posted - 2005.08.10 08:18:00 - [36] Edited by: Ithildin on 10/08/2005 08:22:53 Mercenary Coaltion does not shoot neutrals (exception is pirates, obvious spies, and NPC corporation characters). However, we do not claim space, but it is still a comfort to know this when our contract terms take us close to where you operate. Edit: Sun Tzu said very little about neutrals except that you should be wary of he who had not taken sides. All in all, Sun Tzu's teachings could be summarized as: when you do combat you have failed, when you force the enemy not to do combat and accept your terms you have won. He was a leader very proud of his men, very protective of his people, and very concious of consequences. The true art and outcome of war is determined before the first arrow is loosened. -- Mercenary Coaltion has a policy of not shooting neutral, honest, corporations. That is what sets us apart.
Cartiff	Posted - 2005.08.10 09:10:00 - [37] NBSI Cartiff, CEO Euphoria Released NBSI 4TW
Nafri	Posted - 2005.08.10 09:37:00 - [38] Originally by: Darken Two Originally by: Kyle Caldrel Originally by: Acwron Edited by: Acwron on 09/08/2005 20:32:06 Originally by: Kyle Caldrel Every alliance has a NBSI policy. However, you can get around it by negotiating with the people who occupy the space FIRST so taht the owners wont shoot you. however, 0.0 is never 100% safe, so good luck. Well not true. We do not shoot Neutrals but still and will make your life a lot easier if you get in contact with us before running around :). Ah and just to get this straight. NPC Corp = KOS And you are? FE's mineing slaves? nuff said. CE are the lead corp in G. Next time, atleast check before you shove your entire foot up your mouth. pssshtt, dont tell! It was quite funny Your bla bla hit bla bla for bla bla damage. Wanna have some bubu now?
Zzazzt	Posted - 2005.08.10 13:46:00 - [39] Originally by: Darken Two CE are the lead corp in G. Next time, atleast check before you shove your entire foot up your mouth. ____________________________________________ http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=202351
Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2005.08.10 15:09:00 - [40] I think the current evolution of a cold war in 0.0 is reducing the numbers of neutrals anyhow. For example, Jericho Fraction has a don't shoot neutrals rule but in the north at the moment there are virtually no neutrals. A lot of the corps that would traditionally be "neutral" are having their standings dictated for them by the big power blocks in the regions and effectively being co-opted into the war. Hence we've seen the neutral population drop a great deal and its now more a case of friends and enemies mostly. On the plus side it makes things simpler and does seem that the next Great Northern War is going to be a classic case of North vs South and everyone gets to pick a side. Anyhow, I don't shoot neutrals but people need to remember that the moment one of your corp mates/alliance mates etc does shoot one of my corp mates/alliance mates then you all stop being neutral and get a -10 tag. Being neutral is actually quite a challenging stance in this time. Takes restraint and the ability to keep your word. Thats probably why the whole business of neutrality is dying out. "Every act of creation is first an act of destruction."

weilWegenIsSo	Posted - 2005.08.10 17:23:00 - [41] neutral is ok and we do not shoot. negativ we shoot may be.
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2005.08.10 18:20:00 - [42] Originally by: Darken Two Originally by: Kyle Caldrel And you are? FE's mineing slaves? nuff said. CE are the lead corp in G. Next time, atleast check before you shove your entire foot up your mouth. Kyle all that peen you smoke has finally gone to your brain I Die A lot in this vid
Catarinah	Posted - 2005.08.10 22:43:00 - [43] Edited by: Catarinah on 10/08/2005 22:44:46
MadJackMcJones	Posted - 2005.08.11 00:07:00 - [44] Originally by: Purask But i dont blame the alliances alone, there must be more features to make it worth for alliances to get "neutrals" into their territory How about a toll system? If a Corp offically lays claim to a system, they can charge for entry into the system, but they don't actually get credited until the person leaves safely, to prevent them letting people in for money, then killing them anyway. Plus if they discover a spy, they can deal with it the normal way. I mean, face it, if someone wants to spy, ganking random people ain't gonna stop them, and just earns you a bad rep.
Aman Sul	Posted - 2005.08.11 04:16:00 - [45] Love'm "There are no dumb questions, but there are ALOT of inquisitive idiots."
Kyle Caldrel	Posted - 2005.08.11 05:13:00 - [46] Originally by: DrunkenOne Originally by: Darken Two Originally by: Kyle Caldrel And you are? FE's mineing slaves? nuff said. CE are the lead corp in G. Next time, atleast check before you shove your entire foot up your mouth. Kyle all that peen you smoke has finally gone to your brain I dont remember this? Need to lay off the booze.
pershphanie	Posted - 2005.08.11 07:39:00 - [47] Edited by: pershphanie on 11/08/2005 07:39:34 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine I think the current evolution of a cold war in 0.0 is reducing the numbers of neutrals anyhow. For example, Jericho Fraction has a don't shoot neutrals rule but in the north at the moment there are virtually no neutrals. A lot of the corps that would traditionally be "neutral" are having their standings dictated for them by the big power blocks in the regions and effectively being co-opted into the war. No, its not any patch or other ppl dictating standings. There's nothing complicated here. Everyone hates you. I like the sig though
Zandramus	Posted - 2005.08.11 12:32:00 - [48] our stance is Not Blue Kill On Sight. Then Squish the Pod But Koth usually gets all the pods he is such a pod *****. Zandramus S.A.S
Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2005.08.11 12:46:00 - [49] Originally by: pershphanie Edited by: pershphanie on 11/08/2005 07:39:34 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine I think the current evolution of a cold war in 0.0 is reducing the numbers of neutrals anyhow. For example, Jericho Fraction has a don't shoot neutrals rule but in the north at the moment there are virtually no neutrals. A lot of the corps that would traditionally be "neutral" are having their standings dictated for them by the big power blocks in the regions and effectively being co-opted into the war. No, its not any patch or other ppl dictating standings. There's nothing complicated here. Everyone hates you. I like the sig though With respect pershphanie I think you kinda missed the point about what I said with that example. Now it was "everyone hating us" then that would be cool of course, cos after all, our roleplay position is about getting hated by xenophobic territorial land grabbers isn't it? Jericho Fraction is a corporation that thumbs its nose to anybody with a pretention of power and claimed authority and says "xxxx you, I won't do what you tell me!" (rage against the machine style) to any dictatorial prat in a hat in the 0.0 regions of Eve. So from your perspective as an agent of a territorially exclusive little empire with rules and regulations and KOS lists and codes of behaviour etc etc I'm not surprised you hate us. Lets face it, you're a proud nationalist worker-bee for somebody else's space empire and we're a bunch of freespace space-bikers with no respect for authority. Some clash of ideologies is inevitable and you hating us is a win win for us - we really don't like "working for da man" and you work tables for that guy so go figure But, what I actually said earlier was about the dictating standings thing and thats absolutely the case with Alliances and friends of alliances. Example. Johnny newbie corp (JNC) goes to the north and wants to be friends with the big dogs to get uninterrupted mining and npc'ing right? Its explained to (JNC) corp CEO that in order to be "friends" with the people in the north he needs to set -10 standings to "known threats". These "known threats" of course include corps (like ours) that are hostile to the big boy alliances in the region but not to genuine neutrals. (This kind of determination is made by half a dozen alliance leaders and old guard that make the decisions to their own taste) Since (JNC) Corp needs uninterrupted access to the mining zones and sees a heck of a lot of northern alliance shipping around the CEO has no alternative but to allow an external force to set his standings for him and run with the pack in the interests of his profit line. And thats how you get a corp that has never even heard of Jericho Fraction, Omerta Syndicate or one of our other friends getting drawn into a war that is nothing to do with them and getting their haulers shot up pointless in the Pureblind suicide alley. So pershphanie, I think you'll acknowledge that saying "everyone hates us" while amusing and good propaganda from your territorialist perspective is a little bit inaccurate given the example I was citing and I hope you can see that I don't actually care about the perceptions of our corp from the territorialist perspective (hate whatever) but I am just correcting you on a flaw in your generalisation that occludes the point of my argument. Cool? The overall point I was trying to make was that it was the big standings lists that get passed from alliance to alliance and alliance to independents that reduces the number of neutrals from 0.0 rather than the innate combative/danger level of the regions. More and more its now a game of taking sides and neutrality is very very difficult to achieve. Its got nothing to do with "hate" amongst the rank and file. And everything to do with the big decisions made by an influential few. "Every act of creation is first an act of destruction."
MAXSuicide	Posted - 2005.08.11 12:55:00 - [50] Originally by: Kyle Caldrel Originally by: Acwron Edited by: Acwron on 09/08/2005 20:32:06 Originally by: Kyle Caldrel Every alliance has a NBSI policy. However, you can get around it by negotiating with the people who occupy the space FIRST so taht the owners wont shoot you. however, 0.0 is never 100% safe, so good luck. Well not true. We do not shoot Neutrals but still and will make your life a lot easier if you get in contact with us before running around :). Ah and just to get this straight. NPC Corp = KOS And you are? FE's mineing slaves? nuff said. waaaaaaaaaaaaay off the mark there kyle G/IRON control fade/deklein/pureblind(pb is actually neutral for everyone really, apart from ebil pirates and enemies of the north) Only problem is the onlyquick entry is 24/7 camped by hostiles of the north i think, or often is anyway. CFS used to let anyone into their regions but pirates and hostiles of the alliance, they used to control querious, delve and period basis, until other powers gobbled it all up and closed it. Not sure what the deal is for delve/period basis anymore...querious is closed. My vids and random stuff

Bruchpilot	Posted - 2005.08.11 13:19:00 - [51] Originally by: MAXSuicide Only problem is the onlyquick entry is 24/7 camped by hostiles of the north i think, or often is anyway. Actually, no. EC is camped by the northern corps most of the time. At least it was when I went up there a week ago. But only EC seems to be populated.
Darko1107	Posted - 2005.08.11 16:24:00 - [52] Iron Shoot neutrals in Deklien and neutrals that look "fishy" in PB/Fade. Ofcourse if you contact some1 before entering dek we can set standings. As we dont claim PB we dont shoot neutrals in it.
Moridan	Posted - 2005.08.11 16:37:00 - [53] Yeah, we iron/deklieners don't shoot everyone in PB. We do usually kill the npc corps alts after asking if anyone in our chat claims them. PB is like the kids playground of eve. With EC, EWOK, O-N, and L-T being the sandbox. You've got friends, enemies, and new kids all the time. Just don't step on the Zerander/Felsin unless you got a big boot on, and lots of warp scramblers. "Speak quietly and carry a big torpedo."
Liet Traep	Posted - 2005.08.12 10:55:00 - [54] I remember being in Xetic and seeing a neutral in space and having to get on alliance chat and ask who this guys and can i pop him. Usually took so long that the guy if he had any sense was long gone. I'll never make that mistake again. In 0.0 if it's not a friend it's an enemy. Kill it before it kills you. And Noob corps are pretty much KOS to anyone. No idea who it's spying for.
Khristopher	Posted - 2005.08.12 13:38:00 - [55] Edited by: Khristopher on 12/08/2005 13:39:40 So much hate for npc corps What about us fellas that are between jobs atm? Recently left a mining/production corp to go into something more combat related but the job only lasted a month as the outfit disbanded so I'm back in the npc corp until I decide what I want to do next. Not all npc corp members are alts/spys edit: should be more clear. When I say more combat related I do not mean pirate at all. I mean PvP with missions on the side.


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