A capacitor use bonus should not count as a "bonus" when minmatar ships get that for free. I am not sure why CCP has to make it so that a ship can only have two bonuses, it seems rather silly. Maybe something simple like a tracking bonus?

The drake gets a bonus to resistances and a dps bonus, but do its guns use less cap than a harbinger? Yea, good bonus. It's not like lasers give a really big advantage to counter using all that cap.

Where's that 3rd cap bonus for blasterboats?

No. You get another bonus when you lose the cap bonus. That makes 2. You don't get 3rd when blasterboats get 2.

Blaster boats still use less cap than a harbinger per gun.
So a Brutix gets a bonus to dps and tank while still using less cap, and a thorax gets a bonus to dps and tracking while still using less cap.

By your logic, your laserboat gets a bonus to range. Remove scorch and we'll talk.

Or maybe boats are different. Winmatar may need a nerf, but that doesn't mean laserboats get a 3rd bonus so that it can pwn hybrids worse than they do now.

I agree with the OP, having a bonus to cap on amarr ships sucks when all that bonus does is to allow those weapons to function normally, thus it is not a bonus.

How about reducing cap requirements on all lasers, I've never understood how beam lasers should even require cap in the first place as (if I remember my optical physics correctly) all a beam laser needs is a continuous source of power (this is represented in the PG requirements as posted in the weapon description). Pulse lasers are a little different in that they rapidly fire multiple times per shot and as such need short bursts of power which is where a capacitor is needed.

So I would say, no cap on all beam lasers at the very least and reduced cap requirements for the more damaging, but shorter range pulse lasers.

Thats more homogenizing the weapons which I think is bad, they should all have a glaring disadvantage but have a massive advantage. Blasters do lolwtf dps with awesome tracking but **** range, projectiles can select damage types, fit easy, and use 0 cap with slightly better dps than missiles, lasers eat cap and have better damage projection.

Yet on the harbinger it is not really good enough to snipe and it doesnt have any advantages in a brawl.

Glad your alt agrees with your main. Why don't we just give you hybrids instead of lasers? Problems solved? After all, blasters get "awsome tracking" and rails get... what do they get again? All for less cap. Sounds like the perfect weapons for you.

Yeah, laserboats clearly deserves a special 3rd bonus, and hybrid boats don't.

That's the first time I've been called an Alt. I don't like it one bit. Still best not feed the obvious troll...

Glad your alt agrees with your main. Why don't we just give you hybrids instead of lasers? Problems solved? After all, blasters get "awsome tracking" and rails get... what do they get again? All for less cap. Sounds like the perfect weapons for you.

Yeah, laserboats clearly deserves a special 3rd bonus, and hybrid boats don't.

Thats rather paranoid assuming that is my alt. Please stop saying stupid ****.

Rails have omgwtfbbq range which used to be much more useful before CCP nerfed lock range. Rails suck different thread.

Hybrids don't need a 3rd bonus, and neither do most laser boats like the maller which is pretty good. As a brawler the harb can't eat capacitor like Rosie O'Donell drinks mayonaise while still staying viable and doesn't have an advantage sniping.

Blasters also use less cap and do more dps, lots more.

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"omgwtfbbq range"

Lol, really? What do you call Scorch?

Yea your right 115km range with medium guns loaded with t2 ammo and 0 modules is utter ****.
I guess large rails having range longer than grid size is nothing special either right?

How about we compare cap usage. Harbinger with heavy pulse IIs consumes 9.6 cap/sec on guns, Brutix with 250mm rail IIs (lol rails) consumes 9.0 cap/sec on guns. Former is 0.6 cap/sec higher, but gets Scorch. I'll give you rail performance for that 0.6 cap/sec, deal? Oh wait, but that's not enough, you want a 3rd bonus. What are you smoking and can i haz?

Damn those rails. Now those are clearly OP, aren't they? Why don't you use them?

Comparing long range guns to short range guns in cap use. The Turret you are looking for is Heavy Beam Laser.

Blasters then, 8.4, huge difference. But I suppose these guns will be off while you get into range to tickle that scorchboat.

And who fit beams on their Harby instead of scorch?

Blasters then, 8.4, huge difference. But I suppose these guns will be off while you get into range to tickle that scorchboat.

And who fit beams on their Harby instead of scorch?

A capacitor use bonus should not count as a "bonus" when minmatar ships get that for free. I am not sure why CCP has to make it so that a ship can only have two bonuses, it seems rather silly. Maybe something simple like a tracking bonus or maybe even a really weird bonus like to a type of ewar?

The drake gets a bonus to resistances and a dps bonus, but do its guns use less cap than a harbinger? Yea, good bonus. It's not like lasers give a really big advantage to counter using all that cap.

The lack of a second bonus is balanced by the natural performance of lasers.
Honestly the Harbinger was fine before the patch and its equal if not a little better now.

Who cares about charts? There are so many factors that play into this chart, the Quality of the ships themselves isn't actually the most important.
Perhaps the harbinger isnt used as much because a lot of people have Drake skills from pve and minmatar are generally prefered for (solo) pvp? No idea but certainly possible.

The point is: i fly Harbinger(s) and I have used it in fleets meant for Hurricanes. The cap use of lasers isn't as much of a problem as you say it is.

Asking for a 3rd bonus, which would throw balance out the window, is not a good way to go.

All T1 ships have 2 bonuses which should be balanced against the ship they are on as well as other ships in their class and role. That system works.

A more logical idea would have been to ask for a cap recharge bonus instead, or something similar. But that would be of no help to fits that rely on cap boosters to keep running, while a cap need reduction does help in this field.

Lasers, like every other weapon system, have their own set of benefits and weaknesses.

Lasers have massive optimal, allowing for much more 'applied dps' when. compared to say projectiles which are almost always working in damage mitigating falloff.
It also does not require reloading, unless your using faction or T2 ammo.
I mean come on, a Zealot with Scorch M will easily have a 30km+ optimal range. Can any other weapon say the same?

All in all: Bonuses are for flavour, they should not make or break a ship.

Scorch is Amarrs saving grace. If conflag wasnt utter **** they could probably nerf scorch.