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Prencleeve Grothsmore
The Jita Bank
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Posted - 2011.10.14 16:02:00 -
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Zeta Zhul wrote:I would like to announce the formation of a new new new Eve bank .... Zeta Bank! We pay ungodly amounts of interest on all deposits!* How much? Ungodly!* I will buy a new account and create a new character specifically for this bank! The character will be named "Ivan William Ripoff". Don't spare the time to consider the initials or shortened versions of the name! Did I mention the ungodly amounts of interest?* * interest payable only on funds held for a full month. Any Acts of God, interruptions in service or escape by the founder of this bank from potential creditors that occurs prior to a full month will null and void any interest owed. 
Please bring your asshatery somewhere else. This thread was created to advertise a perfectly legitimate Eve Online business. I am here to prove anybody who thinks otherwise wrong.
Death to the Communists! |

Prencleeve Grothsmore
The Jita Bank
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Posted - 2011.10.14 16:04:00 -
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Zeta Zhul wrote:I would like to announce the formation of a new new new Eve bank .... Zeta Bank! We pay ungodly amounts of interest on all deposits!* How much? Ungodly!* I will buy a new account and create a new character specifically for this bank! The character will be named "Ivan William Ripoff". Don't spare the time to consider the initials or shortened versions of the name! Did I mention the ungodly amounts of interest?* * interest payable only on funds held for a full month. Any Acts of God, interruptions in service or escape by the founder of this bank from potential creditors that occurs prior to a full month will null and void any interest owed. 
Please bring your asshatery somewhere else. This thread was created to advertise a perfectly legitimate Eve Online business. I am here to prove anybody who thinks otherwise wrong.
Death to the Communists! |

Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
652
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Posted - 2011.10.14 16:05:00 -
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the proof:
*crickets chirping* |

Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
652
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Posted - 2011.10.14 16:07:00 -
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i am a fantasitically rich trader in eve online, and my immense knowledge of the markets that gave me that wealth leads me to conclude that offering 20% monthly interest rates will not be laughed off as a the most obvious scam ever
somehow, i do not see the contradiction here |

Prencleeve Grothsmore
The Jita Bank
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Posted - 2011.10.14 16:08:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:i am a fantasitically rich trader in eve online, and my immense knowledge of the markets that gave me that wealth leads me to conclude that offering 20% monthly interest rates will not be laughed off as a the most obvious scam ever
somehow, i do not see the contradiction here
It is human nature to be afraid of things that are different, these interest rates may seem high compared to standard rates, however we are 110% certain that these rates are sustainable for both ourselves and our clients.
Prencleeve Grothsmore | Director of The Jita Bankhttp://www.TheJitaBank.tk |

Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
653
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Posted - 2011.10.14 16:17:00 -
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Prencleeve Grothsmore wrote:Weaselior wrote:i am a fantasitically rich trader in eve online, and my immense knowledge of the markets that gave me that wealth leads me to conclude that offering 20% monthly interest rates will not be laughed off as a the most obvious scam ever
somehow, i do not see the contradiction here It is human nature to be afraid of things that are different, these interest rates may seem high compared to standard rates, however we are 110% certain that these rates are sustainable for both ourselves and our clients.
the only activity that possibly supports those interest rates would be "well, I have a tech moon but can't afford a tower" and we'd siege the tower the instant we found it so that's not sustainable
there are no other activities in eve that support a garunteed 20% (actually, you need to be having significantly more profits than 20% to make it worth leveraging with other people's money) that would support your claimed 4.5t, let alone more
you're not even coming up with believable lies, you got greedy |

Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
653
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Posted - 2011.10.14 16:18:00 -
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not to mention with 4.5t you'd have towered every tech moon in the game already |

Prencleeve Grothsmore
The Jita Bank
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Posted - 2011.10.14 16:21:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Prencleeve Grothsmore wrote:Weaselior wrote:i am a fantasitically rich trader in eve online, and my immense knowledge of the markets that gave me that wealth leads me to conclude that offering 20% monthly interest rates will not be laughed off as a the most obvious scam ever
somehow, i do not see the contradiction here It is human nature to be afraid of things that are different, these interest rates may seem high compared to standard rates, however we are 110% certain that these rates are sustainable for both ourselves and our clients. the only activity that possibly supports those interest rates would be "well, I have a tech moon but can't afford a tower" and we'd siege the tower the instant we found it so that's not sustainable there are no other activities in eve that support a garunteed 20% (actually, you need to be having significantly more profits than 20% to make it worth leveraging with other people's money) that would support your claimed 4.5t, let alone more you're not even coming up with believable lies, you got greedy
Indeed, a single activity cannot support those interest rates. As an investor, trader and banker, I make my profits taking advantage of the markets. I have contacts who have much larger quantities of ISK that 4.5 Trillion. This number is actually quite low considering the predicted client-base we may be receiving. After we've gained trust over the community, we will be launching our loan service (Collateral included of course) which we predict will fund our interest rates and turn over profit.
Prencleeve Grothsmore | Director of The Jita Bankhttp://www.TheJitaBank.tk |

Luxi Daphiti
Biotech Transtellar INC F0RCEFUL ENTRY
0
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Posted - 2011.10.14 16:23:00 -
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Prencleeve Grothsmore wrote: So please, if you have any other accusations to make, back it up with evidence not theory. I think the evidence is clear to all. You have a history of scamming and have no evidence to prove you posses the funds that you claim to. Nor do you even have a plan on how you are going to make the money to pay this interest? Yes you have the funds there, but I can't imagine you're going to be so generous as to essentially give away 4.5 trillion. I imagine that is more of a buffer in case anything goes wrong.
However, we could correct this simply and throw all of our objections out of the window. EVE mail me your API key and i'll do the check myself - if everything checks out you'll have a huge boost in credibility. And, if this is a legitimate offering, you have nothing to loose by doing so.
Problem is, right now there is nothing to back up anything you've said. And yes, I could invest however many billions into your bank, but as you have no evidence to prove that you're nothing more then a scam why would I? |

Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
653
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Posted - 2011.10.14 16:24:00 -
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Prencleeve Grothsmore wrote: Indeed, a single activity cannot support those interest rates. As an investor, trader and banker, I make my profits taking advantage of the markets. I have contacts who have much larger quantities of ISK that 4.5 Trillion. This number is actually quite low considering the predicted client-base we may be receiving. After we've gained trust over the community, we will be launching our loan service (Collateral included of course) which we predict will fund our interest rates and turn over profit.
oh come on now you don't even know enough about what you're talking about to make this sound coherent instead of stringing together random buzzwords
you don't have 4.5 trillion that you can make greater than 20% interest monthly on because that amount is so insanely out of whack with normal methods you'd have flooded every single market that currently had inefficencies high enough to support it |

Prencleeve Grothsmore
The Jita Bank
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Posted - 2011.10.14 16:27:00 -
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Luxi Daphiti wrote:Prencleeve Grothsmore wrote: So please, if you have any other accusations to make, back it up with evidence not theory. I think the evidence is clear to all. You have a history of scamming and have no evidence to prove you posses the funds that you claim to. Nor do you even have a plan on how you are going to make the money to pay this interest? Yes you have the funds there, but I can't imagine you're going to be so generous as to essentially give away 4.5 trillion. I imagine that is more of a buffer in case anything goes wrong. However, we could correct this simply and throw all of our objections out of the window. EVE mail me your API key and i'll do the check myself - if everything checks out you'll have a huge boost in credibility. And, if this is a legitimate offering, you have nothing to loose by doing so. Problem is, right now there is nothing to back up anything you've said. And yes, I could invest however many billions into your bank, but as you have no evidence to prove that you're nothing more then a scam why would I?
Security is our number one priority. Investing billions into a newly founded bank would be a foolish thing to do, and if I were in your position I would believe this is a ponzi bank. This is why I suggest you either:
A) Invest a smaller amount B) Wait until the client base is big enough to openly vouch for the legitimacy of the service Prencleeve Grothsmore | Director of The Jita Bankhttp://www.TheJitaBank.tk |

Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
653
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Posted - 2011.10.14 16:31:00 -
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the "pay tiny amounts according to the offer, pocket the large amounts people invest after their small amounts pay off" is how those "I wiill double the money you send me" bot scams work
come now |

Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
653
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Posted - 2011.10.14 16:32:00 -
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also lawling at "wait to invest in my ponzi scheme until early investors start to get paid off, that will demonstrate it's not a ponzi scheme"
20% alone proves it's one, soz |

Prencleeve Grothsmore
The Jita Bank
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Posted - 2011.10.14 16:36:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:also lawling at "wait to invest in my ponzi scheme until early investors start to get paid off, that will demonstrate it's not a ponzi scheme"
20% alone proves it's one, soz
We'll be operating and handing out funds in 2014. Prencleeve Grothsmore | Director of The Jita Bankhttp://www.TheJitaBank.tk |

Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
653
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Posted - 2011.10.14 16:37:00 -
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i don't think you get that you can't rebut "this is a scam, here is why" with "no, this isn't a scam, take my word for it" |

Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
653
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Posted - 2011.10.14 16:38:00 -
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i mean this is more blatant than the usual goon scams but we are intelligent enough to not do them on forums where people who aren't functionally ******** will chime in and explain why our nice offer to move all of your stuff for free probably isn't a good offer to take |

Prencleeve Grothsmore
The Jita Bank
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Posted - 2011.10.14 16:40:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:i don't think you get that you can't rebut "this is a scam, here is why" with "no, this isn't a scam, take my word for it"
I admit, inevitably I cannot 100% prove that this is not a ponzi scheme, nobody could. There is no reward without risk. Prencleeve Grothsmore | Director of The Jita Bankhttp://www.TheJitaBank.tk |

Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
653
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Posted - 2011.10.14 16:43:00 -
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Prencleeve Grothsmore wrote:Weaselior wrote:i don't think you get that you can't rebut "this is a scam, here is why" with "no, this isn't a scam, take my word for it" I admit, inevitably I cannot 100% prove that this is not a ponzi scheme, nobody could. There is no reward without risk.
i can't prove it's a ponzi scheme but that's only because your plan could just be take the initial money and run
the numbers you've cited are so impossible you've proven 100% its a scam |

DelBoy Trades
Enslave.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.14 16:44:00 -
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Souris Blanche wrote:Last month you bought a frieghter character for 1.5bil ISK, then on the 2nd of this month you asked for a 50 mil ISK loan to buy a hulk so you can mine in hisec, and on the 3rd of this month you asked for a 380 mil ISK loan to purchase a freighter to help you transport approximately 70 billion ISK worth of Oxygen Isotopes and resell them for a profit... and now, on the 13th of the month, you are asking people to invest money with your "bank". According to forum threads, no one loaned you the 50mil, nor the 380 mil, and I highly suggest no one invest any money in your "bank". Information pulled from the following forum threads Frieghter Character Purchase: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=103083#post10308350 Mil ISK Loan Thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=128201#post128201380 Mil ISK Loan Thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=133584#post133584Prior to these threads your past posts, only going back to 07.31.2011 (which is a very short history of posting), consist of posts of either no useful content, or posts about you offering KB Hosting/TS Server/Website Hosting services that were scams ( http://eve-search.com/thread/1562451-0/page/1#1) Prencleeve Grothsmore wrote:Weaselior wrote:a bank offering absurd interest rates that could not possibly be met except via a ponzi scheme?
sounds good to me, invested the entire goonwaffe wallet in this Absurd? My market team has made sure that these numbers are sustainable. Note: Please don't question the credibility of this Bank without proof.
Please tell me you're trollin' OP, this is in no way believable. You've been called out.
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Prencleeve Grothsmore
The Jita Bank
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Posted - 2011.10.14 16:44:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Prencleeve Grothsmore wrote:Weaselior wrote:i don't think you get that you can't rebut "this is a scam, here is why" with "no, this isn't a scam, take my word for it" I admit, inevitably I cannot 100% prove that this is not a ponzi scheme, nobody could. There is no reward without risk. i can't prove it's a ponzi scheme but that's only because your plan could just be take the initial money and run the numbers you've cited are so impossible you've proven 100% its a scam
I wouldn't bother running off with 10 or so million ISK. I could of made more money station trading in the time it took to me to set up the bank and all of the web elements. Prencleeve Grothsmore | Director of The Jita Bankhttp://www.TheJitaBank.tk |

Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
653
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Posted - 2011.10.14 16:46:00 -
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also you're claiming the ability to generate 4.5t isk in 5 months, then 9t isk in another 5 months, you see where I'm going with this |

Luxi Daphiti
Biotech Transtellar INC F0RCEFUL ENTRY
0
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Posted - 2011.10.14 16:47:00 -
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Prencleeve Grothsmore wrote:
We'll be operating and handing out funds in 2014.
Does that mean that you're going to run off with the money after 2014? 
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Prencleeve Grothsmore
The Jita Bank
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Posted - 2011.10.14 16:47:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:also you're claiming the ability to generate 4.5t isk in 5 months, then 9t isk in another 5 months, you see where I'm going with this
I'm not claiming the ability to generate anything. We have a start-up fund, this will cover the costs whilst we build up a client base. Then we set up our loan service which will continue to fund the operation there off, how much ISK we have to generate purely depends on the amount invested by our client base. Prencleeve Grothsmore | Director of The Jita Bankhttp://www.TheJitaBank.tk |

Prencleeve Grothsmore
The Jita Bank
52
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Posted - 2011.10.14 16:48:00 -
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Luxi Daphiti wrote:Prencleeve Grothsmore wrote:
We'll be operating and handing out funds in 2014.
Does that mean that you're going to run off with the money after 2014? 
No it doesn't. Prencleeve Grothsmore | Director of The Jita Bankhttp://www.TheJitaBank.tk |

DelBoy Trades
Enslave.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.14 16:54:00 -
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Quote:I'm not claiming the ability to generate anything. We have a start-up fund, this will cover the costs whilst we build up a client base. Then we set up our loan service which will continue to fund the operation there off, how much ISK we have to generate purely depends on the amount invested by our client base.
So you're handing out interest from a finite, non-expandory (apart from client deposits) funds...I think there's a name for those schemes? No one will fall for EVE-Madoffary (again) |

Cyniac
Twilight Star Rangers Black Thorne Alliance
21
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Posted - 2011.10.14 17:05:00 -
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Really this is painful. I can't believe MD has dropped quite this low.
Look mate - you are trying to scam. I can understand that. Some people are lured by lots of free ISK, some are even lured by the idea of stealing the ISK of others. This is a game, and trying to pull these things off is part of the game.
We've had some really good scammers come round here in the past. Some of them even have turned out to give you advice here - if you are serious about scamming, at least listen to them.
Sell off that Prencleeve character of yours and start over. Make more of an effort so that at least then it will be interesting to call you out. This is just... a waste of everyone's time. |

Lauren Hellfury
Full Pocket Aggro In Vitro.
10
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Posted - 2011.10.14 17:20:00 -
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Souris Blanche wrote:Last month you bought a frieghter character for 1.5bil ISK, then on the 2nd of this month you asked for a 50 mil ISK loan to buy a hulk so you can mine in hisec, and on the 3rd of this month you asked for a 380 mil ISK loan to purchase a freighter to help you transport approximately 70 billion ISK worth of Oxygen Isotopes and resell them for a profit... and now, on the 13th of the month, you are asking people to invest money with your "bank". According to forum threads, no one loaned you the 50mil, nor the 380 mil, and I highly suggest no one invest any money in your "bank". Information pulled from the following forum threads Frieghter Character Purchase: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=103083#post10308350 Mil ISK Loan Thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=128201#post128201380 Mil ISK Loan Thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=133584#post133584Prior to these threads your past posts, only going back to 07.31.2011 (which is a very short history of posting), consist of posts of either no useful content, or posts about you offering KB Hosting/TS Server/Website Hosting services that were scams ( http://eve-search.com/thread/1562451-0/page/1#1) Prencleeve Grothsmore wrote:Weaselior wrote:a bank offering absurd interest rates that could not possibly be met except via a ponzi scheme?
sounds good to me, invested the entire goonwaffe wallet in this Absurd? My market team has made sure that these numbers are sustainable. Note: Please don't question the credibility of this Bank without proof. ... And, then you have the gall to say we should not question the credibility of this bank without proof? We have the proof that you have a history of scamming, so go ahead and try to give us (on MD) some proof that this isn't a scam. Actually, you have a history of TRYING to scam, and failing miserably... but you keep coming up with new ideas for scams. However, people don't seem to be falling for them.
not empty quoting. A reponse to the above would be good. |

Prencleeve Grothsmore
The Jita Bank
52
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Posted - 2011.10.14 17:26:00 -
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Lauren Hellfury wrote:Souris Blanche wrote:Last month you bought a frieghter character for 1.5bil ISK, then on the 2nd of this month you asked for a 50 mil ISK loan to buy a hulk so you can mine in hisec, and on the 3rd of this month you asked for a 380 mil ISK loan to purchase a freighter to help you transport approximately 70 billion ISK worth of Oxygen Isotopes and resell them for a profit... and now, on the 13th of the month, you are asking people to invest money with your "bank". According to forum threads, no one loaned you the 50mil, nor the 380 mil, and I highly suggest no one invest any money in your "bank". Information pulled from the following forum threads Frieghter Character Purchase: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=103083#post10308350 Mil ISK Loan Thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=128201#post128201380 Mil ISK Loan Thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=133584#post133584Prior to these threads your past posts, only going back to 07.31.2011 (which is a very short history of posting), consist of posts of either no useful content, or posts about you offering KB Hosting/TS Server/Website Hosting services that were scams ( http://eve-search.com/thread/1562451-0/page/1#1) Prencleeve Grothsmore wrote:Weaselior wrote:a bank offering absurd interest rates that could not possibly be met except via a ponzi scheme?
sounds good to me, invested the entire goonwaffe wallet in this Absurd? My market team has made sure that these numbers are sustainable. Note: Please don't question the credibility of this Bank without proof. ... And, then you have the gall to say we should not question the credibility of this bank without proof? We have the proof that you have a history of scamming, so go ahead and try to give us (on MD) some proof that this isn't a scam. Actually, you have a history of TRYING to scam, and failing miserably... but you keep coming up with new ideas for scams. However, people don't seem to be falling for them. not empty quoting. A reponse to the above would be good.
None of my previous threads have been scams. Nobody has any proof with suggests otherwise.
Prencleeve Grothsmore | Director of The Jita Bankhttp://www.TheJitaBank.tk |

Luxi Daphiti
Biotech Transtellar INC F0RCEFUL ENTRY
0
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Posted - 2011.10.14 17:35:00 -
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Prencleeve Grothsmore wrote:Lauren Hellfury wrote:Souris Blanche wrote:Last month you bought a frieghter character for 1.5bil ISK, then on the 2nd of this month you asked for a 50 mil ISK loan to buy a hulk so you can mine in hisec, and on the 3rd of this month you asked for a 380 mil ISK loan to purchase a freighter to help you transport approximately 70 billion ISK worth of Oxygen Isotopes and resell them for a profit... and now, on the 13th of the month, you are asking people to invest money with your "bank". According to forum threads, no one loaned you the 50mil, nor the 380 mil, and I highly suggest no one invest any money in your "bank". Information pulled from the following forum threads Frieghter Character Purchase: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=103083#post10308350 Mil ISK Loan Thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=128201#post128201380 Mil ISK Loan Thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=133584#post133584Prior to these threads your past posts, only going back to 07.31.2011 (which is a very short history of posting), consist of posts of either no useful content, or posts about you offering KB Hosting/TS Server/Website Hosting services that were scams ( http://eve-search.com/thread/1562451-0/page/1#1) Prencleeve Grothsmore wrote:Weaselior wrote:a bank offering absurd interest rates that could not possibly be met except via a ponzi scheme?
sounds good to me, invested the entire goonwaffe wallet in this Absurd? My market team has made sure that these numbers are sustainable. Note: Please don't question the credibility of this Bank without proof. ... And, then you have the gall to say we should not question the credibility of this bank without proof? We have the proof that you have a history of scamming, so go ahead and try to give us (on MD) some proof that this isn't a scam. Actually, you have a history of TRYING to scam, and failing miserably... but you keep coming up with new ideas for scams. However, people don't seem to be falling for them. not empty quoting. A reponse to the above would be good. None of my previous threads have been scams. Nobody has any proof with suggests otherwise. And you have no evidence to suggest that they, or this, aren't scams. |

Chevalleis
The Legendary Conquest THE D0MINION
3
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Posted - 2011.10.14 17:49:00 -
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Still waiting for my mail. |
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