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Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.08.11 13:52:00 - [31] Originally by: Elektra Storm Personally id like to se T2 battleships with slightly less hitpoints, higher resists and faster. Give them 10% velocity per level, and 5% armour resist / level and call them corvettes or something.. Fast, BS killers, (but not too uber damage wise), just the ultimate close range ship. That sounds great, Corvettes get my vote. -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein
Rick Dentill	Posted - 2005.08.11 13:57:00 - [32] Hm I think that your arguments are a little self defeating. Lets say that T2 Battleships do get uber powerful. Like you have admitted they will cost through the roof to buy. And yes insurance payouts will be very low. So most people will either 1) Not be able to afford them. Therefore there will not be many around so they will not be a major effect on the ballance of power. 2) If they are expensive people will not want to lose them therefore their usage may be more limited and thus the BOP will be maintained. Sure where they are used they will have significance, but they are a big investment, and there is still the chance of losing it. _______ Save me Jebus! http://x-universe.kiwi.nu/dd.php
Randuin MaraL	Posted - 2005.08.11 14:10:00 - [33] Originally by: Moghydin Even now, new pilots have at their disposal only tasks that vets despise to do themselves - tackling, scouting etc. A bit off-topic, but ... do you really think us veterans did more than that before the "toys" came out, when we were "young" and new to EVE? I remember too well us being chased nights long by angel nomads ... None of us had a big mother of a ship within a few days or weeks. ____________________________________________________ Never be in the company of anyone with whom you would not want to die. MEDUSA veteran, Khumaak Award winner
Aitrus	Posted - 2005.08.11 15:28:00 - [34] Originally by: Summersnow No, what that sounded like was a legitimate concern as to the long term benefit of adding a class of ship that would give anyone that owned one an "I WIN" against anyone that didn't. T2 frig wtfpwn t1 frig T2 cruiser wtfpwn t1 cruiser T1 frigs & cruisers are cheap enough and expendable enough and even a newb can get into t2 frigs quick enough its not "game breaking" T2 battleship wtfpwn t1 battleship AND T2 battleship resists tank sentry / gate guards with ease = game breaking. How many ships do you think you'd sell if traveling to your manufacturing = instadeath for anyone but a megacorp? Do you really want to hand deliver every single ship with a warfleet escort big enough to take out a hac-like t2 battleship? I'd much rather see a tier 3 t1 battleship added with new models, possibly as "anti dreadnought" platforms, or even add a tier 1 EW battleships to 3 races and a t1 combat battleship to the other. I like how everyone is assuming they're going to be "Super Heavy Assault Battleships" before ANY info has been released. How about we see what the Devs are actually coding before whining about it?
Rafein	Posted - 2005.08.11 16:15:00 - [35] Assult BS's is good, just keep them VERY expensive Think of it as an Isk sink when you gank 4 or 5.
Saladin	Posted - 2005.08.11 16:22:00 - [36] This thread is of the 'alarmist' variety. We really don't know what the new ships will be like. I myself have no problems with a t2 battleship that is an improvement on everything a battleship can do now, in every respect. When battleships came out they were pwning everything in the lower class of ships, but they changed that now. Now you see HAC's taking on battleships and small groups of cruisers and frigates able to take them down as well. And when t2 battleships coming out, I expect they should be able to, with the proper plan, take down a dread. ----
Earthan	Posted - 2005.08.11 16:29:00 - [37] Most of us agree no to Heavy assualt bs.It would own everything , even dread.It would be back to "i solo everything" days.Wich CCP put so much effort to nerf. But as far as i heard tech 2 bs will be as command ships with mostly strong gang bonuses wich make it very interesing. Stars, stars like dust, all around me....
Koth Krakenworth	Posted - 2005.08.11 17:01:00 - [38] Quote: tackling, scouting etc. So tackling and scouting is just something newbs do? Meh, I wouldn't trust a noob to do the tackling and scouting for me :D "It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes."
Zaldiri	Posted - 2005.08.11 18:08:00 - [39] Originally by: Summersnow T2 frig wtfpwn t1 frig T2 cruiser wtfpwn t1 cruiser Well I've never seen a Covert ops ships wtfpwn a frigate. And I've never seen a Logistics cruiser wtfpwn a cruiser. Whoops You made the assumption that the new BS were going to be HABs when the devs have already statted they won't be. ----------------------------------------------- Admiral of King Frieza's Super Saiyan fleet.
Imran	Posted - 2005.08.11 18:10:00 - [40] FORGET tech 2 BS WE NEED NEW NOOBSHIPS!!!!
Professor McFly	Posted - 2005.08.11 18:12:00 - [41] I can't think of a single purpose that could be fulfilled by a T2 BS that hasn't already been given to another ship class.
Beloth	Posted - 2005.08.11 18:43:00 - [42] there are always "wtfomw i cant have a t2 bs so no one can now im going in a huff" people, but think of it from the vets point of view, chances are they aint gonna be flyin a dread, and they prolly gettin bored with bs, so t2 bs are a good idea, even though i wont be flyin one, i dont care, and dont say that ur not interested in seeing a funky greenish raven? like the eagle big brother t2 bs 4tw
Sajuuk kharr	Posted - 2005.08.11 19:10:00 - [43] Originally by: Beloth there are always "wtfomw i cant have a t2 bs so no one can now im going in a huff" people, but think of it from the vets point of view, chances are they aint gonna be flyin a dread, and they prolly gettin bored with bs, so t2 bs are a good idea, even though i wont be flyin one, i dont care, and dont say that ur not interested in seeing a funky greenish raven? like the eagle big brother t2 bs 4tw As i stated in the started thread, if some new bs's have to be brought in why not just do tech 1 tear 3 and maybe tear 4 rather than tech2, would be something new and yet not over powered. sajuuk kharr

Eris Discordia	Posted - 2005.08.11 19:44:00 - [44] How do you know they are overpowered? To be honest I think it can be another few months before they are released into the game, perhaps wait a little with your assumption that they will be overpowered until more information is released? I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage Mail [email protected] if you have any questions.

Steppa	Posted - 2005.08.11 19:48:00 - [45] Have they ever said why insurance options are not available to cover the cost of the most expensive ships in the game? What would it hurt to offer such insurance at a premium cost?

Eris Discordia	Posted - 2005.08.11 19:50:00 - [46] Insurance is based on mineral value ( and this value is taken from NPC, that's why it does not cover the cost because people often charge extra. I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage Mail [email protected] if you have any questions.

Xthril Ranger	Posted - 2005.08.11 19:53:00 - [47] Originally by: Professor McFly I can't think of a single purpose that could be fulfilled by a T2 BS that hasn't already been given to another ship class. good thing you are not a game designer. at least not designing any game I play. hirr
ChefAce	Posted - 2005.08.11 20:50:00 - [48] Since everyone seems to agree on one thing, that T2 frigs and cruisers are overpowered. Why not just nerf the them? It only makes sense since everyone agrees
Saladin	Posted - 2005.08.11 21:30:00 - [49] Let me modify my earlier statement. I don't care what t2 bs will be like so long as I score a bpo and it is awesome enough to make me a rich mofo ----
Elektra Storm	Posted - 2005.08.11 22:07:00 - [50] Originally by: Steppa What would it hurt to offer such insurance at a premium cost? because t2 producers would just write them off rather than selling them, there too much of an isk printer at preasent.
Shadowsword	Posted - 2005.08.11 22:07:00 - [51] Originally by: Jim Raynor T2 Battleships should be defense oriented.. ships designed purely to absorb damage while having a minimal boost in offense.. For example, T2 Raven: HAC-type Resists 8 hi / 7 Launcher / 0 Turret 7 mid 6 low Some extra grid and cpu, of course, extra shield armor and hull, of course. The bonuses don't have to be offense related at all.. Caldari Battleship Bonus - 5% Launcher ROF / 10% Missile Velocity Mega Assault Super Ship (whatever) Bonus - 5% Shield Boosting / 5% Shield HP You can do the same for the Apoc, an extra midslot and lowslot, some better resists, and %5 armor HP / 5% armor repair duration reduction, ect. Anyways that's what Jim Would Do. T2 Uber Raven with 7 cruises, 1 NOS, XL+Amp shield tank with 2 EM hardeners, web, 2 target painters, and 6 ballistics FTW. That's espescially what most players and CCP want to avoid... For a lot of players, if you give a ship an uber defense, that only give free slots for offense, so your tentative setup and slot layout would be abused immediately. The main advantage HACs have that makes them so superior to standard cruisers is their resists, not their damage bonus.
Elektra Storm	Posted - 2005.08.11 22:09:00 - [52] Originally by: Jaabaa Prime Originally by: Elektra Storm Personally id like to se T2 battleships with slightly less hitpoints, higher resists and faster. Give them 10% velocity per level, and 5% armour resist / level and call them corvettes or something.. Fast, BS killers, (but not too uber damage wise), just the ultimate close range ship. That sounds great, Corvettes get my vote. glad someone likes my idea, comon devs you know it makes sense
Harry Voyager	Posted - 2005.08.11 23:05:00 - [53] CCPs already stated they're doing Tech 1-5, and frankly, I don't doubt that a Tech 5 Interceptor is going to wtfbbq a Tech I Battleship, without even breaking a sweat. As it is, a small squadron of gank oriented battlecruisers and cruisers will handily slaughter any lone Tech II ship, including any likely Tech II Assault Battleships. Shoot, in another thread we just layed out a Brutix with upwards of 300 dps potential. Two or three of those will be more than enough to pop any half-billion isk ships. Might even pose a threat to a Dreadnought, though that's likely pushing it. Tech II battleships are coming, just as Tech III, IV and V battleships. No point in being luddites. Harry Voyager
VossKarr	Posted - 2005.08.11 23:05:00 - [54] Edited by: VossKarr on 11/08/2005 23:05:41 Originally by: Elektra Storm Originally by: Jaabaa Prime Originally by: Elektra Storm Personally id like to se T2 battleships with slightly less hitpoints, higher resists and faster. Give them 10% velocity per level, and 5% armour resist / level and call them corvettes or something.. Fast, BS killers, (but not too uber damage wise), just the ultimate close range ship. That sounds great, Corvettes get my vote. glad someone likes my idea, comon devs you know it makes sense Main Entry: corÀvette Pronunciation: kor-'vet Function: noun Etymology: French, from Middle French, probably from Middle Dutch corf, a kind of ship, literally, basket -- more at CORF 1 : a warship ranking in the old sailing navies next below a frigate 2 : a highly maneuverable armed escort ship that is smaller than a destroyer Yup, lets call 'em Corvettes... or something.
Makhan	Posted - 2005.08.11 23:11:00 - [55] Originally by: VossKarr Edited by: VossKarr on 11/08/2005 23:05:41 Originally by: Elektra Storm Originally by: Jaabaa Prime Originally by: Elektra Storm Personally id like to se T2 battleships with slightly less hitpoints, higher resists and faster. Give them 10% velocity per level, and 5% armour resist / level and call them corvettes or something.. Fast, BS killers, (but not too uber damage wise), just the ultimate close range ship. That sounds great, Corvettes get my vote. glad someone likes my idea, comon devs you know it makes sense Main Entry: corÀvette Pronunciation: kor-'vet Function: noun Etymology: French, from Middle French, probably from Middle Dutch corf, a kind of ship, literally, basket -- more at CORF 1 : a warship ranking in the old sailing navies next below a frigate 2 : a highly maneuverable armed escort ship that is smaller than a destroyer Yup, lets call 'em Corvettes... or something. Real life examples compared to game ftw!
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2005.08.11 23:26:00 - [56] Originally by: ChefAce Since everyone seems to agree on one thing, that T2 frigs and cruisers are overpowered. Why not just nerf the them? It only makes sense since everyone agrees What do you qualify as overpowered? AS, Inty and HAC pilots train more SP than a battleship pilot if you want to get down to it. You can get into a BS a week after char creation. Its takes LONGER to get into a HAC so why can't a HAC do some things a BS can? Exactly. T2 ships are rewards to players that stick with the game. They add specialization to the game. They add fun to the game. Overpowered? Nah people just underappreciative. jide's oBject eXplorer The Nest
Harry Voyager	Posted - 2005.08.11 23:27:00 - [57] Edited by: Harry Voyager on 11/08/2005 23:30:06 Originally by: Makhan Originally by: VossKarr Main Entry: corÀvette Pronunciation: kor-'vet Function: noun Etymology: French, from Middle French, probably from Middle Dutch corf, a kind of ship, literally, basket -- more at CORF 1 : a warship ranking in the old sailing navies next below a frigate 2 : a highly maneuverable armed escort ship that is smaller than a destroyer Yup, lets call 'em Corvettes... or something. Real life examples compared to game ftw! I agree! All T2 Capital Class warships should be called... Dingies! Edit: Seriously, anyone here remember the ship classes in Freespace 2? The small ships were Cruisers, the mediums were Corvettes, and the super heavy fighter carriers were called Destroyers. Someone had been telling me about how huge the capital class ships were, but when I played the first mission in the demo, they had me escorting some Cruiser around, and I'm thinking "wth? This ship's the smallest capital ship I've ever seen."
Darlan Flame	Posted - 2005.08.11 23:40:00 - [58] Come now what we really need is more gank machines! Lets have tech 2 battleships be galled "guns strapped to rockets", have one high slot, half the armor and shields of their tech 1 counterparts, and enough grid to fit one dreadnaught class weapon. A true dedicated BS/Dread killer, and finally something that resembles a ship with a spinal weapon. I'd fly it.
Squrl	Posted - 2005.08.12 00:50:00 - [59] Just wondering how many people against T2 battleships own t1 bs BPO's?
Hllaxiu	Posted - 2005.08.12 00:55:00 - [60] Originally by: Makhan Real life examples compared to game ftw! Naval tradition ftw. Proud member of Elite Academy.

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