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Posted - 2013.03.08 14:38:00 -
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Debra Tao wrote:Hefty TheFirst wrote:
I am not a game designer?
Hehehe that's exactly what I am.
If you knew who I really was you'd actually help.
They totally need advice from random people that do statistic over a 5 people sample. It's not like their game is successful, after all EVE is dying (2 friends told me that, so that's like 100% sure).
I do like that.
I also get a kick out of something I saw early on too -- a lot of folks around here do come across like the plant from little shop of horrors -- "feed me Seymore!"
So - statistical info you can look at that has a bit more of a foundation to it than what you see and hear. I think I might be able to help a bit on this score.
Let's first start off with this: I am not going to waste a great deal of time trying to convince you of things you don't understand. Instead, I'm going to *NOT* answer you directly but instead point you at data so you can get your own answers.
Real info - that *YOU* have to dig through so you can see for yourself vs my telling you "bullshit" -- just see for yourself.
First I'll need an example victim to get you started: (my apologies to him but I picked him off the KB's from recent NC action)
https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Valince%20Olacar -- February start date.
His Killboard history so far: http://killfeed.eveuniversity.org/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=44252
he's new and still learning so don't expect to see a ton of stuff. First he had to get fittings that would work, etc.
A related killmail showing one of the fights he was in: http://killfeed.eveuniversity.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=72047
14 uni attackers vs 1 defender/victim -- *splat* and podded. welcome to PvP in EVE. "fair fight" -- what's that?
-- There's your 1 "gimmie" starter. You go searching for the rest. It shouldn't be hard to find them on your own. Just browse that board a bit looking at the kills and losses and you'll find the newbies involved in them.
Losses and such are also commented so people can try to understand what the hell happened - so that should help you understand better.
I've been in a fleet with a member who lost 2 ships but got 8 kills in 1 big battle -- they'd been playing EVE for 3 weeks and if you check, I'm sure you'll find plenty of others like that.
People aren't lying to you when they say the SP isn't all of it. It is a bit of bunk when they imply you can go it alone from the get-go and do fine PvP'ing in this game - and if that's what you expect, this probably won't be a fun game for you.
"Friends" is also a bit much around here unless you bring RL friends with you.
It's more acquaintances and associations but friendships do come about - this place is a tad brutal for the use of the word "friends" too early on. Way too many backstabbing types that get their jollies out of trashing any and everyone they can -- but it can and does work if you put forth a bit of effort getting to know folks.
If EVE has a problem, it's brutalizing new people and warning them so severely that they aren't willing to trust anyone to offer real help and advise.
Hell, even your "talk to your victimizer, he'll be glad to explain!" types tend to speak after you've been gutted and slapped around -- their old "HTFU" logic from the get-go doesn't work well for getting new people into the game far enough, with enough support, to actually find it worth while to stick around.
THAT is a different issue than SP. Seriously - the basics... First you need to know the basics - *AND* get hands-on experience with them. *THEN* you'll find expanding options to be more desirable. Not knowing and losing it all... Not a good way to keep folks so slow and steady is better than "be there *NOW*" - way too much to learn getting there.
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