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State War Academy
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Posted - 2013.03.06 06:38:00 -
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Grombutz wrote:Do you seriously expect they stay? Starting a game should be easy and should offer a reasonable progression
The NPE is doing a pretty good job. Of course the information provided is only a fraction of what you can do in EVE but at least it's easy and gives you a fair amount of ISK. As to them not staying in the game, well some people always won't, but some will, and those who do stay seem to stay in the game for quite a long time. IMO, it's mostly because of EVE being a sandbox rather than the SP-walls that some of them get turned off. Some people simply don't enjoy wading through the vast ocean of possibilities. Instead, they prefer simply fulfilling concrete and often competitive goals given to them by the developers like done in typical themepark MMOs. I have nothing against those kind of players or MMOs. It's what they like and that's perfectly fine, but it's just not something you can expect in EVE. You can't blame the new players but you can't blame CCP either. An MMO can't be a sandbox and a themepark at the same time (I think.)
Grombutz wrote:Yes, you might be able to do reasonable frigate PvP in 2 weeks of training ( then you need to get the isk, which you don't have as a noob usually),
Doing all the tutorials and the subsequent SoE epic arc missions gives you 30m to 40m ISK depending on how you manage your loot / salvage. I think that's a pretty decent amount of ISK to get started.
Grombutz wrote:Just put all that skills into EvEmon and even the most ******** idiot can see that it takes ridiculous ammounts of time from the view of a noob.
Well yes, an idiot would probably despair at the amount of time needed to cap your SP and quit (which makes sense because this game is for nerds but not short-sighted idiots), but people like you and me who are hopefully not idiots understood fairly easily that you don't have to max out SPs at all, and that even if you were all-level 5, you wouldn't be that super powerful compared with all-level 4 toons. Whether you think the time to fly a given ship too long or not is rather subjective but overall I think the times are fairly reasonable. When I was playing a themepark PvE MMO, being a casual player, it took me 2 years to grind my way up to the level cap, and gear-wise I was still super crappy. No ships in EVE take that long to be able to fly it decently as long as I have the few minutes to throw things into my skill queue.
Now, I'm not saying everything in this game is perfect as it is. CCP could probably change many things to help the new players understand how different EVE is from other MMOs, but they shouldn't just change the system so that it becomes faster for new players to gain SP. That's something you just have to be patient and PAY MONEY for (very important for CCP), and even if you did gain SP fast, a level 5 skill itself doesn't actually expand what you can do in EVE that much (except some skills unlocking some ships / modules) so it really doesn't help new players that much. When you take the time and do get some of your skills to level 5, you'll get this tiny advantage over level 4ers (of course that adds up in the long run), and also this tiny amount of satisfaction, that's all you get. EVE is a sandbox so whether you value that is also up to you. |