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Imawuss
Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2013.03.03 20:38:00 -
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The opposite of your normal Eve is dyeing thread.
What would happen to Eve if its current subscription base doubled?
Is the server technology out there to handle the load the Eve servers would be put under? Right now there is basically a que to get into Jita, Tidi fights are already the norm. What woud happen to the quality of life so to speak for the game experience if Eve population spiked? |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.03.03 20:40:00 -
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i doubt you'd notice.
just like i never notice the difference between logging in when there are 25k players, and when apparently there are over 50k players online. "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2013.03.03 20:44:00 -
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depends on which timezone these new dudes come from
one thing is for sure: bottleneck prices will go through the roof, everything else is highly depending on timezones We are recruiting german-speaking PVP players, contact me :)
Malcanis - CSM 8 |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2013.03.03 20:47:00 -
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Imawuss wrote:The opposite of your normal Eve is dyeing thread.
What would happen to Eve if its current subscription base doubled?
Is the server technology out there to handle the load the Eve servers would be put under? Right now there is basically a que to get into Jita, Tidi fights are already the norm. What woud happen to the quality of life so to speak for the game experience if Eve population spiked?
The weakest link in the EVE server it's the SOL system, which is responsible for "ticking" the server wide synchronization.
With the last server upgrade, the SOL system was upgraded to manage in excess of 250,000 clients at once. Provided that the current PCU record is 63,000 players online, doubling it would be 126,000 clients online, which is ~50% the nominal capacity of the SOL system.
So, in short, doubling the current population would not be an issue at all to the server. EVE is Serious Business: You shall not feel entitled to being allowed to play EVE just because you are paying it. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2013.03.03 20:47:00 -
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Since we're deep into fantasy land here, we could just assume the servers performance also spiked to handle the double capacity without issues. |
Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts Hegemonous Pandorum
103
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Posted - 2013.03.03 20:50:00 -
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There would not be a single rock in all of high sec. Low sec would remain untouched as always. The player run nullsec might get a few new recruits and good fights would be had. |
Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.03.03 20:54:00 -
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The "subscriber" numbers for this game are a joke. There are nowhere near 500,000 unique individuals playing this game. The level of alt accounts in that number is staggering. Its one of the biggest frauds in the MMO genre.
I would bet there are less than 200k unique players subscribed.
Librarian and Exotic Dancer Extraordinaire Champion of the Working Men and Women of Empire Space Anti-Null Sec Opium Den Movement *President* Not the woman high sec wants but the Woman high sec needs. A modern girl for a modern world. |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.03.03 20:57:00 -
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Sariah Kion wrote:The "subscriber" numbers for this game are a joke. There are nowhere near 500,000 unique individuals playing this game. The level of alt accounts in that number is staggering. Its one of the biggest frauds in the MMO genre.
I would bet there are less than 200k unique players subscribed.
i doubt there are any mmos that don't have players with multiple accounts. granted, in eve it's far more encouraged than other games but i don't really think that's a bad thing when you consider that eve is somewhat niche and multiple accounts are a great way of making more revenue when you're directing a game at an already small subset of potential customers. "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
Whitehound
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Posted - 2013.03.03 20:59:00 -
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Imawuss wrote:What would happen to Eve if its current subscription base doubled? Quite simple: CCP's profit would double and then take a guess what they will do with the extra money ... Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:01:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Imawuss wrote:What would happen to Eve if its current subscription base doubled? Quite simple: CCP's profit would double and then take a guess what they will do with the extra money ...
xbox exclusive pod-racing game with micro transactions? "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
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Jonah Gravenstein
Universal Corporate Repossession Inc.
6103
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:02:00 -
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Sariah Kion wrote:The "subscriber" numbers for this game are a joke. There are nowhere near 500,000 unique individuals playing this game. The level of alt accounts in that number is staggering. Its one of the biggest frauds in the MMO genre.
I would bet there are less than 200k unique players subscribed.
Subscriptions relate to the number of paying accounts, not the number of paying individuals.
Eve in a nutshell, it's you vs the universe, and everybody in it. |
Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
188
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:07:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Sariah Kion wrote:The "subscriber" numbers for this game are a joke. There are nowhere near 500,000 unique individuals playing this game. The level of alt accounts in that number is staggering. Its one of the biggest frauds in the MMO genre.
I would bet there are less than 200k unique players subscribed.
i doubt there are any mmos that don't have players with multiple accounts. granted, in eve it's far more encouraged than other games but i don't really think that's a bad thing when you consider that eve is somewhat niche and multiple accounts are a great way of making more revenue when you're directing a game at an already small subset of potential customers.
Im not saying its bad or good and Im glad CCP is getting more revenue for development because of the ALt accounts but there are two issues I have when they "brag" about their Subscriber numbers/
1. The continuing flood of alts will have an eventual tipping point in the economy and with game play. Once it reaches critical mass, where everyone can do everything things will unravel quickly.
2, It disguises the actual health of the game and how much actual new blood is being brought into this game.
This game is really in no better shape today than it was 3 years ago.
Interesting that the subscription number announcement comes on the tails of a HUGE push with "sidekick" advertisement and sale....
Like I said. I would bet money that the game is right around the 200k mark. Librarian and Exotic Dancer Extraordinaire Champion of the Working Men and Women of Empire Space Anti-Null Sec Opium Den Movement *President* Not the woman high sec wants but the Woman high sec needs. A modern girl for a modern world. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
1230
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:07:00 -
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Sariah Kion wrote:The "subscriber" numbers for this game are a joke. There are nowhere near 500,000 unique individuals playing this game. The level of alt accounts in that number is staggering. Its one of the biggest frauds in the MMO genre.
I would bet there are less than 200k unique players subscribed.
I can't udnerstand why people feel that "subscriptions" should be the same as "subscribers". What matters is how much money CCP gets each month, not how many peope are contributing to that amount. EVE is Serious Business: You shall not feel entitled to being allowed to play EVE just because you are paying it. |
Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
188
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:08:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Sariah Kion wrote:The "subscriber" numbers for this game are a joke. There are nowhere near 500,000 unique individuals playing this game. The level of alt accounts in that number is staggering. Its one of the biggest frauds in the MMO genre.
I would bet there are less than 200k unique players subscribed.
Subscriptions relate to the number of paying accounts, not the number of paying individuals. It's also quite common for individuals to have multiple subscriptions to MMOs, for example I don't play WoW, never have, never will, but I know of several people that have multiple WoW accounts.
Im sorry but thats apples and oranges.
WoW and EVE have a different progression mechanic.
Librarian and Exotic Dancer Extraordinaire Champion of the Working Men and Women of Empire Space Anti-Null Sec Opium Den Movement *President* Not the woman high sec wants but the Woman high sec needs. A modern girl for a modern world. |
Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
188
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:10:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Sariah Kion wrote:The "subscriber" numbers for this game are a joke. There are nowhere near 500,000 unique individuals playing this game. The level of alt accounts in that number is staggering. Its one of the biggest frauds in the MMO genre.
I would bet there are less than 200k unique players subscribed.
I can't udnerstand why people feel that "subscriptions" should be the same as "subscribers". What matters is how much money CCP gets each month, not how many peope are contributing to that amount.
On the outside, sure.
Underneath though, one person quits and that number goes down by two sometimes more. Im surprised some of you cant see these things.
Librarian and Exotic Dancer Extraordinaire Champion of the Working Men and Women of Empire Space Anti-Null Sec Opium Den Movement *President* Not the woman high sec wants but the Woman high sec needs. A modern girl for a modern world. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Universal Corporate Repossession Inc.
6103
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:17:00 -
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Sariah Kion wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Sariah Kion wrote:The "subscriber" numbers for this game are a joke. There are nowhere near 500,000 unique individuals playing this game. The level of alt accounts in that number is staggering. Its one of the biggest frauds in the MMO genre.
I would bet there are less than 200k unique players subscribed.
Subscriptions relate to the number of paying accounts, not the number of paying individuals. It's also quite common for individuals to have multiple subscriptions to MMOs, for example I don't play WoW, never have, never will, but I know of several people that have multiple WoW accounts. Im sorry but thats apples and oranges. WoW and EVE have a different progression mechanic.
I accept that the progression mechanics may well be different, but that's not the point you originally brought up. The point you originally made is that multiple accounts can warp the subscription numbers and stated that it was fraud. I merely pointed out the fact that people can and do have multiple accounts in both Eve and WoW, normally so that they can multi-box to gain an advantage. Thus making Blizzard and probably every other MMO developer guilty of the same fraud, namely using distorted subscription figures to promote their products success.
Eve in a nutshell, it's you vs the universe, and everybody in it. |
Dave Stark
1884
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:23:00 -
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Sariah Kion wrote:Im not saying its bad or good and Im glad CCP is getting more revenue for development because of the ALt accounts but there are two issues I have when they "brag" about their Subscriber numbers/
1. The continuing flood of alts will have an eventual tipping point in the economy and with game play. Once it reaches critical mass, where everyone can do everything things will unravel quickly.
2, It disguises the actual health of the game and how much actual new blood is being brought into this game.
This game is really in no better shape today than it was 3 years ago.
Interesting that the subscription number announcement comes on the tails of a HUGE push with "sidekick" advertisement and sale....
Like I said. I would bet money that the game is right around the 200k mark.
1) there won't be a situation where "every one can do everything" because, not every one wants to do everything, because most people will find most things **** boring and leave that to other people. i would imagine.
2) i don't know, don't all of the power of 2/sidekick accounts all tied to one email address? hence, the amount of unique emails would be a more accurate indication of how many new players there are coming and going? yes, i know it's not flawless but it's easily better than "we have x active subscriptions"
i'd say the game was in a better shape now than it was 3 years ago, isn't the chinese server younger than 3 years? one thing the subscriber numbers are a good indicator for, is the revenue the game is generating. probably not much else beyond that though. "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
188
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:25:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Sariah Kion wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Sariah Kion wrote:The "subscriber" numbers for this game are a joke. There are nowhere near 500,000 unique individuals playing this game. The level of alt accounts in that number is staggering. Its one of the biggest frauds in the MMO genre.
I would bet there are less than 200k unique players subscribed.
Subscriptions relate to the number of paying accounts, not the number of paying individuals. It's also quite common for individuals to have multiple subscriptions to MMOs, for example I don't play WoW, never have, never will, but I know of several people that have multiple WoW accounts. Im sorry but thats apples and oranges. WoW and EVE have a different progression mechanic. I accept that the progression mechanics may well be different, that's not the point that you originally brought up. The point you originally made is that multiple accounts can warp the subscription numbers, I merely pointed out the fact that people can and do have multiple accounts in Eve and WoW, normally so that they can multi-box to gain an advantage.
Multiple accounts DO warp subscriber numbers when talking about the health of this game. Thats the point I brought up. It laughable that you try and bring WoW multi boxing into the equation. The two games and the reasons people would want to have multiple accounts are so dissimilar that its hard to take you serious. Librarian and Exotic Dancer Extraordinaire Champion of the Working Men and Women of Empire Space Anti-Null Sec Opium Den Movement *President* Not the woman high sec wants but the Woman high sec needs. A modern girl for a modern world. |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
321
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:30:00 -
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Sariah Kion wrote:
This game is really in no better shape today than it was 3 years ago. Interesting that the subscription number announcement comes on the tails of a HUGE push with "sidekick" advertisement and sale.... Like I said. I would bet money that the game is right around the 200k mark.
The game is far far better than it was 3 years ago. Do you actually play it still?
Since you seem quite certain about the 200k figure, how much money are you willing to stake on it?
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Jonah Gravenstein
Universal Corporate Repossession Inc.
6103
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:31:00 -
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Sariah Kion wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Sariah Kion wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Sariah Kion wrote:The "subscriber" numbers for this game are a joke. There are nowhere near 500,000 unique individuals playing this game. The level of alt accounts in that number is staggering. Its one of the biggest frauds in the MMO genre.
I would bet there are less than 200k unique players subscribed.
Subscriptions relate to the number of paying accounts, not the number of paying individuals. It's also quite common for individuals to have multiple subscriptions to MMOs, for example I don't play WoW, never have, never will, but I know of several people that have multiple WoW accounts. Im sorry but thats apples and oranges. WoW and EVE have a different progression mechanic. I accept that the progression mechanics may well be different, that's not the point that you originally brought up. The point you originally made is that multiple accounts can warp the subscription numbers, I merely pointed out the fact that people can and do have multiple accounts in Eve and WoW, normally so that they can multi-box to gain an advantage. Multiple accounts DO warp subscriber numbers when talking about the health of this game. Thats the point I brought up. It laughable that you try and bring WoW multi boxing into the equation. The two games and the reasons people would want to have multiple accounts are so dissimilar that its hard to take you serious.
I'm not denying that multiple accounts warp subscription figures, the reason I brought up WoW is that it is seen by many as the benchmark MMO, it's certainly one of the most popular if you go by their "subscription" numbers even if they do fluctuate all over the place. Please explain how multi boxing in WoW is different in principle than multi boxing in Eve, both are done to gain an advantage over others, for example using a second account as a healer in WoW is analogous to using a second account as a logi in Eve.
Eve in a nutshell, it's you vs the universe, and everybody in it. |
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
7950
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:33:00 -
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Imawuss wrote:The opposite of your normal Eve is dyeing thread.
What would happen to Eve if its current subscription base doubled?
Is the server technology out there to handle the load the Eve servers would be put under? Right now there is basically a que to get into Jita, Tidi fights are already the norm. What woud happen to the quality of life so to speak for the game experience if Eve population spiked?
I vaguely recall CCP saying in 2010 or 2009 even when they last upgraded TQ that they planned for 100k PCU (roughly double what we have now) Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
321
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:33:00 -
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Highsec space will be extremely strained by any pop increase. Barring another hardware upgrade, market hubs would have to go regional. Hopefully CCP would take the opportunity to make low and null more attractive to highsec residents who don't mind a bit more risk in exchange for more rewards. Any highsec activity other than mission running and trading would become more difficult and less lucrative.
And hopefully with the extra money from the extra subs, we'd get more shinies. What kind of shinies depends on what the new customers are interested in. |
Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
188
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:37:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
I'm not denying that multiple accounts warp subscription figures, the reason I brought up WoW is that it is seen by many as the benchmark MMO, it's certainly one of the most popular if you go by their "subscription" numbers even if they do fluctuate all over the place. Please explain how multi boxing in WoW is different in principle than multi boxing in Eve, both are done to gain an advantage over others, for example using a second account as a healer in WoW is analogous to using a second account as a logi in Eve.
Its not about "in principle" its about the motivation for doing so in Eve when compared to WoW. Please try and argue there are equal percentages of "alt accounts" in WoW as there is in Eve. CCP actively advertises and has specials directly related to current subscribers making alt accounts.
You keep on trying to muddy the waters and Im just gonna ignore you. Librarian and Exotic Dancer Extraordinaire Champion of the Working Men and Women of Empire Space Anti-Null Sec Opium Den Movement *President* Not the woman high sec wants but the Woman high sec needs. A modern girl for a modern world. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Universal Corporate Repossession Inc.
6104
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:50:00 -
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Sariah Kion wrote:
You keep on trying to muddy the waters and Im just gonna ignore you.
You seem to do the ignoring bit quite well, especially when people don't agree with you. I'm not muddying the waters per se, I'm merely trying to understand your point of view and maybe spark some debate.
I never said that the percentage of alt accounts in WoW was as high as it is in Eve, I merely pointed out that people have multiple accounts in both games. With reference to CCP advertising special deals on alt accounts, they do that because they know that Eve is a niche game and that its appeal is limited to a subsection of gamers, hence their development of Dust 514 and the World of darkness franchise to appeal to a wider audience.
Eve caters to those gamers that like an MMO to have consequences, where our actions can have am influence on the entire universe and where we are the content, there's very few MMOs out there that can offer the same level of freeform play that Eve does.
Eve in a nutshell, it's you vs the universe, and everybody in it. |
Skorpynekomimi
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:03:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Imawuss wrote:What would happen to Eve if its current subscription base doubled? Quite simple: CCP's profit would double and then take a guess what they will do with the extra money ...
Lutefisk and hookers, of course! And some of the finest fermented shark money can buy. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Universal Corporate Repossession Inc.
6105
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:15:00 -
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Skorpynekomimi wrote:Whitehound wrote:Imawuss wrote:What would happen to Eve if its current subscription base doubled? Quite simple: CCP's profit would double and then take a guess what they will do with the extra money ... Lutefisk and hookers, of course! And some of the finest fermented shark money can buy.
You forgot the Brennivin and Vodka, I'm sure they only drink the damn stuff because antifreeze is poisonous.
Eve in a nutshell, it's you vs the universe, and every machiavellian space bastard -áin it. |
Sentamon
714
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Posted - 2013.03.03 23:16:00 -
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Sariah Kion wrote:
Its not about "in principle" its about the motivation for doing so in Eve when compared to WoW. Please try and argue there are equal percentages of "alt accounts" in WoW as there is in Eve. CCP actively advertises and has specials directly related to current subscribers making alt accounts.
You keep on trying to muddy the waters and Im just gonna ignore you.
Yes there are, IsBoxer has a huge WoW community. Since WoW is party based with support classes you have even more alt accounts. WoW also has a large "china farmer" rmt community... much larger then any other game.
Your alt argument isn't a very good one. Lineage 2 which held the crown for most subs for a long time has a massive amount of alts. People would run full 9 man parties all over the place and just about everyone had an alt buffer. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Jonah Gravenstein
Universal Corporate Repossession Inc.
6106
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Posted - 2013.03.03 23:31:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Sariah Kion wrote:
Its not about "in principle" its about the motivation for doing so in Eve when compared to WoW. Please try and argue there are equal percentages of "alt accounts" in WoW as there is in Eve. CCP actively advertises and has specials directly related to current subscribers making alt accounts.
You keep on trying to muddy the waters and Im just gonna ignore you.
Yes there are, IsBoxer has a huge WoW community. Since WoW is party based with support classes you have even more alt accounts. WoW also has a large "china farmer" rmt community... much larger then any other game. Your alt argument isn't a very good one. Lineage 2 which held the crown for most subs for a long time has a massive amount of alts. People would run full 9 man parties all over the place and just about everyone had an alt buffer.
Thanks for the clarification, I've never played WoW, so could only compare healers with logi from what I've been told by friends that do. It's good to know that I'm not a total ignoramus
Eve in a nutshell, it's you vs the universe, and every machiavellian space bastard -áin it. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1052
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Posted - 2013.03.03 23:40:00 -
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If player numbers on-line, were to show a massive increase, would TiDi persuade more folk to move out of overcrowded hi-sec into null and lo?
I see folk are already complaining about TiDi in Jita. This is not a signature. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3457
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Posted - 2013.03.04 04:46:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:If player numbers on-line, were to show a massive increase, would TiDi persuade more folk to move out of overcrowded hi-sec into null and lo?
I see folk are already complaining about TiDi in Jita. TiDi in Jita can't really get worse, there's the cap.
We'd see more threads about people spamming the gates into Jita, making it all the more important for HARDCORE EVE ONLINE JITA PLAYERS to log into Jita as fast as possible after downtime and never log out. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
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