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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
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Posted - 2013.03.04 06:41:00 -
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Encouraging the use and development of other trade hubs besides Jita would only serve to strengthen the game as a whole.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3658
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Posted - 2013.03.04 06:46:00 -
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Sariah Kion wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
I'm not denying that multiple accounts warp subscription figures, the reason I brought up WoW is that it is seen by many as the benchmark MMO, it's certainly one of the most popular if you go by their "subscription" numbers even if they do fluctuate all over the place. Please explain how multi boxing in WoW is different in principle than multi boxing in Eve, both are done to gain an advantage over others, for example using a second account as a healer in WoW is analogous to using a second account as a logi in Eve.
Its not about "in principle" its about the motivation for doing so in Eve when compared to WoW. Please try and argue there are equal percentages of "alt accounts" in WoW as there is in Eve. CCP actively advertises and has specials directly related to current subscribers making alt accounts. You keep on trying to muddy the waters and Im just gonna ignore you.
Your original point was that the number of subscriptions was not an accurate indicator of the health of the game due to people having alts. It was simply pointed out other MMO's have the same issue as well, which is undeniably true.
The best analysis we can come up with STILL indicates that the number of active players is going up as a direct proportion of the number of new subscriptions... even taking into account that a certain percentage of those accounts are alt accounts.
While this detracts nothing from the well being of the parent company (after all, a paid account is a paid account) it also bodes well for the overall health of the game.
I'd say the waters are pretty much crystal clear.
Edit: You know, it's funny. It doesn't matter if the subscription numbers go down, stay the same, or go up... somebody will always try to show how it proves that EvE is (still, 10 years running) dying. 
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Calathorn Virpio
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.03.04 06:47:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Sariah Kion wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Sariah Kion wrote:The "subscriber" numbers for this game are a joke. There are nowhere near 500,000 unique individuals playing this game. The level of alt accounts in that number is staggering. Its one of the biggest frauds in the MMO genre.
I would bet there are less than 200k unique players subscribed.
Subscriptions relate to the number of paying accounts, not the number of paying individuals. It's also quite common for individuals to have multiple subscriptions to MMOs, for example I don't play WoW, never have, never will, but I know of several people that have multiple WoW accounts. Im sorry but thats apples and oranges. WoW and EVE have a different progression mechanic. I accept that the progression mechanics may well be different, but that's not the point you originally brought up. The point you originally made is that multiple accounts can warp the subscription numbers and stated that it was fraud. I merely pointed out the fact that people can and do have multiple accounts in both Eve and WoW, normally so that they can multi-box to gain an advantage. Thus making Blizzard and probably every other MMO developer guilty of the same fraud, namely using distorted subscription figures to promote their products success.
Quote:Eve in a nutshell, it's you vs the universe, and every machiavellian space bastard in it.
i'm stealing this  |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3658
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Posted - 2013.03.04 06:49:00 -
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Machiavellian Space Bastards.
MSB.
Good alliance name.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Universal Corporate Repossession Inc.
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Posted - 2013.03.04 07:34:00 -
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Calathorn Virpio wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Eve in a nutshell, it's you vs the universe, and every machiavellian space bastard in it.
i'm stealing this
In that case, I must give credit where it's due, I stole machiavellian space bastards from a PCGamer article
Eve in a nutshell, it's you vs the universe, and every machiavellian space bastard in it. |
Ai Shun
895
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Posted - 2013.03.04 08:01:00 -
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Sariah Kion wrote:Underneath though, one person quits and that number goes down by two sometimes more. Im surprised some of you cant see these things.
And another joins and you get another two, sometimes more. There is a reason that EVE has shown positive growth over the last decade and that reason has little to do with conspiracy theories.
EVE Ambulation and Avatars as a separate game - see here |
Hae Sung
Da Learnin Corp
21
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Posted - 2013.03.04 08:41:00 -
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Sariah Kion wrote:1. The continuing flood of alts will have an eventual tipping point in the economy and with game play. Once it reaches critical mass, where everyone can do everything things will unravel quickly.
I would love for you to substantiate in a meaningful way what you think would happen at this far-off future time when "everyone can do everything" and we reach the "tipping point in the economy".
I'm very interested in your theories of doomsaying, please share. I find it interesting that all of us "fail to see" what's going to happen and only you have this unique insight into the future. |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
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Posted - 2013.03.04 09:53:00 -
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Also, even if the subject of subscriptions and alts can easily generate a lot of hype, if you start looking at the numbers for your corporation or the corporations around you, you may find a lot of people with multiple account, but a majority is running a single account.
So I would better expect a subscriber count around 350-400k.
G££ <= Me |
Yeep
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.04 10:49:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Encouraging the use and development of other trade hubs besides Jita would only serve to strengthen the game as a whole.
The only way this will ever happen is if CCP removes the highsec lanes between empires |
Liafcipe9000
Smeghead Empire
283
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Posted - 2013.03.04 10:58:00 -
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moar regions? |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
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Posted - 2013.03.04 11:03:00 -
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While the overall server could handle the increase, I believe it's all dependent on how spread out things are. Jita for example gets locked down every Sunday, so expect that to happen almost daily if the PCU doubles. Since Highsec is the place to be nowadays expect almost all anomalies to be gone and all roids to be gone.
Don't Vote for Malcanis
New Eden Training Simulation. -áIdea to improve NPE. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3664
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Posted - 2013.03.04 17:17:00 -
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Yeep wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Encouraging the use and development of other trade hubs besides Jita would only serve to strengthen the game as a whole. The only way this will ever happen is if CCP removes the highsec lanes between empires
The removal of the highway system is something I have suggested be strongly considered for some time now, for a number of reasons, but yes that is the primary one.
Currently on high volume days it is still a relatively trivial matter to spam the Jita gate and get in within a minute or so... but if it gets to the point where that turns into a significant amount of time you WILL see people reorganizing and utilizing other trade hubs. Nobody wants to spend their valuable play time sitting at a gate (aside from gate campers ) 1 jump away from being able to do what they need to do.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2574
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Posted - 2013.03.04 17:22:00 -
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Imawuss wrote:What would happen to Eve if its current subscription base doubled?
More people to steal from.
Apparently booking your flight & accomodation to Iceland BEFORE you buy the tickets for the convention which is pretty much the only reason you wanted to go there in the first place is popular. |
Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
228
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Posted - 2013.03.04 17:30:00 -
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If the player base doubled, then half the subscribers would be complaining they can not catch up to the bitter vets and demand CCP alter the game accordingly or threaten to migrate to the next big thing. Meanwhile, the bitter vets would them chime in that they had to do things the hard way so should everyone else. CCP would release a vague developer blog with intent that "soon" they will be fixing everything, before the company as a whole seems to go off in different directions with groups or individuals altering the game, or others being ceased from their current projects. After a period of time, another developer blog will be released, players will ask questions about past statements that will never get answered, and the game will continue to churn forward, somewhat stagnant as usual. |
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