Good evening.

As you probably know, about two times per month CCP QA team is hosting a so called 'Mass test' on the Singularity test server in order to try out new stuff, optimize old stuff, etc., as the thin-client CCP uses to conduct testing internally can not catch everything. Please see Mass testing on wiki for more information.

As a reward for participating in the test, players are awarded 2 milion skillpoints on Singularity to allocate however they want.

But I do believe that these fellow capsuleers, who sacrifice their own time to help our benefactors in the everlasting quest of improving EVE, deserve a little bit more.

Therefore I propose:

Award mass test participants unallocated skillpoints on Tranquility

As 2 milion SP would be unbalancing (and crashing SiSi), I suggest 10 to 20 thousand - approximately five to ten hours worth of training.
It is small enough a boost to envy, while at the same time showing some solid gratitude to the volunteers.
Something similar could be applied to those finding a bug and submiting a good bugreport - please see this sticky thread. (awarding the first dozen or so people that report that particular bug, as to prevent abusive spamming).

Importantly, this would probably bring even more players to the tests, allowing the QA team to gather more data.
(If I recall correctly, on the 1.10.2011 mass test CCP asked for 500 players, while only 350 came - Testing results on wiki)

I am looking foward to Your comments, opinions, and bumps.

Good evening.

As you probably know, about two times per month CCP QA team is hosting a so called 'Mass test' on the Singularity test server in order to try out new stuff, optimize old stuff, etc., as the thin-client CCP uses to conduct testing internally can not catch everything. Please see Mass testing on wiki for more information.

As a reward for participating in the test, players are awarded 2 milion skillpoints on Singularity to allocate however they want.

But I do believe that these fellow capsuleers, who sacrifice their own time to help our benefactors in the everlasting quest of improving EVE, deserve a little bit more.

Therefore I propose:

Award mass test participants unallocated skillpoints on Tranquility

As 2 milion SP would be unbalancing (and crashing SiSi), I suggest 10 to 20 thousand - approximately five to ten hours worth of training.
It is small enough a boost to envy, while at the same time showing some solid gratitude to the volunteers.
Something similar could be applied to those finding a bug and submiting a good bugreport - please see this sticky thread. (awarding the first dozen or so people that report that particular bug, as to prevent abusive spamming).

Importantly, this would probably bring even more players to the tests, allowing the QA team to gather more data.
(If I recall correctly, on the 1.10.2011 mass test CCP asked for 500 players, while only 350 came - Testing results on wiki)

I am looking foward to Your comments, opinions, and bumps.

hell no

WTB a real comeback with substance.

As far as the thread goes.

I like the idea as long as it isnt more often than they usually do the tests and that perhaps only the first X pilots get it (i.e. they ask for 500 and 700 show up, only the first 500 get the bonus. ) XOR the bonus is a set amount of SP split among the participants.

Everytime you come up with stupid ideas such as this, a kitten dies. This is just stealth QQ for skillpoints.

Never liked kittens anyway.

This is why your a terrible person with terrible ideas.
Still don't support.
Too many exploits could be had from this.
Give out mug or something else I can break over a hobo's head when they knock on my door.

Vanity items - how then would you encourage people to attend a test or submit a bugreport more than once? Also, I am not sure if people change their appereance often enough. And giving out


Also, EVERY pilot in EVE is SP hungry - but only a tiny fraction would spend 2 hours just to get something they would get anyway.
It would still be significantly more time-effective to run mission and buy better implants/pvp with better implants than to attend.



Assuming 2000 SP/hour (I am training 2580/hour at the moment by the way), and a 30 day month: 1 440 000 SP a month.
Should a player earn 20 000 SP by testing and/or submiting quality bugreports, he would be cca 1.3% percent better.
Is that really so unbalancing?

You have no business asking that question if you don't understand why we are so passionate enough to tell you hell no.

I'll give you a ltitle hint.

Some of us actaully put a little time time into our accounts and don't like it when peolpe are given shortcuts for something that will not have a lasting impact on game in a good way.

Givnig CCP botched bug reports or showing up for a test evevnt for SP's won't be for the bug reprots...it will be for the SP's.

This is a question of motivation...not goals. They wont give a crap about filing reports. THAT is the point. Let alone showing up to test something that is likely going to be utterly boring or reptitive.

Singualrity kills don't count after all as an example.

It will have good impact - as the QA team will have more data, leading to better game.

As not to spam the reports - that's why I suggested awarding only first dozen or so of quality reports.

For once he has the right idea, good job Draconis, you use those two brain cells!!!!

It is interesting to see how people would deny other people rewards for their effort.

It is interesting to see how people would deny other people rewards for their effort.

http://www.eveonline.com/mb2/news.asp?nid=4768

Next Mass Test on Thursday, October 20, 2011
reported by: CCP Zymurgist | 2011.10.18 15:26:04

The next mass test on the Singularity server will take place on Thursday, October 20 at 20:00 UTC. We will be testing time dilation and remapping systems on the server to different nodes. The SisiLauncher tool is available for the Windows client; for Mac users, please see this tutorial.

Please invite your friends as we would like to have 500-800 players to participate. Testing should last between 60 and 90 minutes. All participants will receive two million skillpoints on Singularity.

Please refer to this thread for more information about how you participate in the test, and this EVElopedia article for more information on mass testing.

Yes thank you for cross posting and double posting and everything else in-between.

Your point? Relevance?

My point? Yes, I have it. But you could find it only if you were willing to read and able to notice that it is not a double post.

Looks like ZeroSeven is still missing the point (by Astromic Units noless) that his presence is completely unwanted.

Yes Jack we all know your butthurt and obsessed in smack talking me at every turn...get over it.

My personal opinion... They should get the amount of SP that would have been learned in the time of the Mass Test. As a thank you for helping kind of thing. these mass tests are really important for the fixing of problems before we get the stuff, and the more people that show up, the more test point there will be.


However, there should be no bonus to bug reports individually. Way too much room for exploitation... IMO.

lol...what? Now you are just trolling Jack for the sake of trolling Jack. Just like you do to me in all my other threads. Provide some ******* constructive feedback or GTFO!

Your toon still skills up on the regular server while you are playing on the other one.

You do not deserve double the sp vs any other player in the eve universe just becaue you 'Wanted" to go on the other server. You were not forced to go.

Is there anyone who dislikes the idea AND participate in the testing and bugreporting?

Or is is just 'I do not want others to have possibility I would not use; not because it would disbalance the game, but solely on principle.?'

It's a dumb idea and you should feel bad about posting it. Sorry kiddo.

It's a dumb idea and you should feel bad about posting it. Sorry kiddo.

Skill points, no. A vanity item like perhaps a Singularity jacket, sure, why not. No in game advantage and yet your participation would be duly recognized.

Actually, I feel that there's something of merit to this idea.

As has been stated, the job these bug testers do somewhat resembles the job that actual QA testers do, who are employed by the software company directly. The only difference in this case, is that those taking part in the mass SISI tests are i) not employed by CCP and ii) don't really get anything worthwhile out of the experience (ok, they get a load of Singularity SPs - yippee - and perhaps they log on with their mates and have a laugh).

As far as I can see, these testers are performing a task which CCP (or any other company) would ordinarily pay for. The least that CCP could do would be to give these people something small but tangible as a reward - hence why 10k (or thereabouts) SP wouldn't be such a big deal. Not gamebreaking really, when you think about it.

This is a bad idea (tm)

2-3 hours of SP for attending a mass test, I wouldn't care. A person attending every single one would get one day ahead of someone who doesn't over the course of one year. I probably lose more SP than that due to getting podded and needing new implants, or forgetting to update my queue. The efforts of these people make the game better for everyone. Although I agree that AUR or perhaps a unique vanity shirt would be better.

Rewards for reporting bugs? No please. The last thing a programmer wants to do is to dig through fifty thousand bug reports saying "my ship no work".

And as many of you have the issue of me having the cca 20 000 SP boost a month (assuming 30-day month, 20 000 / 1 857 600 translates into less than 1.08% boost), let's add that accounts that are or ever were paid or ever bought a PLEX by credit card, paypal account, or bank account, that my account ever was are not eligible.

Satisfied?

More Data != Quality Data (Thats Does Not Equals for those who don't know programming speak)

Well Done! I could not have been more condescending myself.

Not sure what to think about this. On one hand, I think it would for sure increase the number of participants, 20k SP (or similar) amount is not exactly the end of the world, and the more people testing the better the test (as it is a stress test) goes. On the other hand, it might, though not *necessarily*, lower the quality of the reports.

Put a little more effort into your retort.

1000 Players showing up for free skillpoints and typing up 1 liners in their reports while missing a few dozen valid reports will likely **** off the dev's more so than help.

Time is money..and devs don't have tmie to "jibba jabba"

ooooh, using fancy words like "retort" *and* things like "!=" so those filthy plebeians will not comprehend your verbose meaning lest you take it upon yourself to enlighten them with your wisdom. How very droll. And the way you lambasted my retort by suggesting it was sub-par when it clearly elucidates both sides of the issue, simply brilliant!

Also, if people have to show up and submit a report, I doubt they will intentionally file wrong reports. So given that most of the reports will be about actual bugs experienced, that in and of itself is useful because you can see which bugs are the most prevalent.

Then again *all* of this is probably lost on you because "tmie" [sic] is money and you need to get back to swearing on the developers behalf...