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MrPops
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Posted - 2003.07.22 09:18:00 -
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Do you guys need a basic course in business economics and market pricing?
Please accurately determine the real cost of producing your ships.
Mineral cost: this can vary depending on skill and research done on BP
Manufacturing costs: this includes slot rentals and time of production.
Your time and effort in bringing the finished product.
Delivery or not?
Now add all that up and bash your ship against your head. Now why are you selling your ships at cost? Why? So you mean to tell me you work for free for the public? Do you think you are doing people a favor when you sell at cost or under? Sellers are completely devaluating items just because they want to get rid of the item fast and make a quick buck.
I don't understand people selling Thoraxes for less than 5 million. You are basically giving them away for free or you don't seem to care about profit margings and the work you need to invest in order to produce them. I don't see how investing over 70 million for an original BP and then selling each ship for less than a million profit makes any sense. The point of investing is to make your money back plus more in return. At this rate you would have to sell over 70 ships in order to get back your initial investment.
It's great to have multiple sellers and all the competition and pricewars going on. But ask yourself how low can you go? How low is low? If you really value your time and effort you need to reevaluate the current situation. You decide.
"The human species suffers from a dimensional limitation. They are not able to understand that matter and mind are just one aspect of something more fundamental. We must strive to expand our perspective so we can see what our true reality is." Deep toughts by Mr.Pops, while consuming large quantities of Blue Pill and staring at the EVE gate in Genesis.
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MrPops
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Posted - 2003.07.22 14:34:00 -
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Jojin, there is nothing wrong in selecting the way you choose to play. But when a corporation or individual decides to sell a hot ticket item at cost, which is basically almost free, just because they don't care about profits or wish to be rewarded for their effort because the fun is not making money but the "process" is, they in turn ruin the market for those who do care to be rewarded for their work and *want* to make a decent profit. They have to lower the prices to a ridiculous level in order to compete because consumers expect a much lower average due to the "non-profit" individual or corp. Another thing is that skills and research can only lower mineral requirements so much. A Thorax can't be produced for the same level a Stabber can be no matter how much skill or research you do on the BP. You can't produce a Thorax at 3 mill in minerals and then turn around and sell for 5 million or less.
One thing is having healthy competition to level overinflated prices. This may give consumers a fair choice but the situation in EVE is not a healthy one. It only benefits the consumer since they are getting a great bargain but producers are getting shafted. So what's next? making 1 million profit on battleships? might as well keep to mining scordite.
"The human species suffers from a dimensional limitation. They are not able to understand that matter and mind are just one aspect of something more fundamental. We must strive to expand our perspective so we can see what our true reality is." Deep toughts by Mr.Pops, while consuming large quantities of Blue Pill and staring at the EVE gate in Genesis.
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MrPops
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Posted - 2003.07.22 16:38:00 -
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Not really, my corporation is not dedicated to producing and selling in the free market. We actually value our time and effort and refuse to sell at or below cost. We post our items on the EVE market for a decent price and if we have to wait a week to sell 1 ship, let it be so. We already enjoyed the profit of selling manufactured ships at the start of the game. Right now the market for frigates and cruisers in crap. The only market that the seller is still making a considerable profit is the battleship market. As soon as every ******* has a BP, we will see the same situation with people selling battlehips at or below cost. This will be completely ridiculous considering the work that goes into mining all the minerals for a large BS.
"The human species suffers from a dimensional limitation. They are not able to understand that matter and mind are just one aspect of something more fundamental. We must strive to expand our perspective so we can see what our true reality is." Deep toughts by Mr.Pops, while consuming large quantities of Blue Pill and staring at the EVE gate in Genesis.
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MrPops
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Posted - 2003.07.22 16:42:00 -
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Orrin making a profit of 1 million is great, could be better but it's great still. What I'm talking about is people who make 0 profit or negative profit. These people who for some reason can work like this, drive prices and averages prematurely lower compared to what it should be.
"The human species suffers from a dimensional limitation. They are not able to understand that matter and mind are just one aspect of something more fundamental. We must strive to expand our perspective so we can see what our true reality is." Deep toughts by Mr.Pops, while consuming large quantities of Blue Pill and staring at the EVE gate in Genesis.
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MrPops
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Posted - 2003.07.22 17:11:00 -
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Right now going to war with a corporation won't really do much damage. The only thing anyone can do is make them aware of the situation and hope they will change. Otherwise there is nothing anyone can do.
"The human species suffers from a dimensional limitation. They are not able to understand that matter and mind are just one aspect of something more fundamental. We must strive to expand our perspective so we can see what our true reality is." Deep toughts by Mr.Pops, while consuming large quantities of Blue Pill and staring at the EVE gate in Genesis.
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