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Count TaSessine
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Posted - 2005.08.13 10:17:00 -
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Edited by: Count TaSessine on 13/08/2005 10:17:58
The ISS megacorporation have retained the most respected mercenary force in Eve to assist the developing ISS Navy Task Force in curbing pirate activity in Empire.
- "The last couple of weeks, pirate activity along our main trade routes have been on the increase. In accordance with our charter, ISS have taken steps to employ specialists to reinforce us", say Count TaSessine, Chairman of ISS.
- "One of the reasons we have chosen to retain Mercenary Coalition, is that they operate with great transparency. Their excellent website is a great way to follow the progress of the mission.", the ISS Chairman continues.
The ISS charter state that ISS can complement the ISS Navy Task Force with outside specialists on an as-needed basis.
About ISS
The ISS is a playerdriven civilian megacorporation specialised in moon mining, production and distribution of the derived products, ie. Tech2 components. The company operate all over the known Eve galaxy.
The ISS megacorporation does not claim territory anywhere in Eve like the traditional alliance/states. The ISS work, like the Kaalikiota or Ishukone corporations, in many states and alliances and pay tax and rent to their hosts in the regions they have been allowed to work in.
The ISS was created to provide a framework for the many small and medium sized corporations that wish to move into 0.0 space, but who can't because of political and military constraints or lack of formal alliance-affiliation.
About Mercenary Coalition and the current mission:
http://coalition.killboard.net/?p=contracts_details&id=53
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Chairman, ISS
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JakeTheSnake
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Posted - 2005.08.13 14:18:00 -
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So what does this mean, you've hired the MC whilst they are on another contract or what?
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K Shara
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Posted - 2005.08.13 14:43:00 -
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Nice values for lost ships...
hacs only counting as 20 million so that MC's losses seem so small.
If you want to which REAL ships were lost vivit the Contraband tracker @ www.contraband-inc.com
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Laythun
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Posted - 2005.08.13 14:43:00 -
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 Originally by: Count TaSessine
The ISS megacorporation have retained the most respected mercenary force in Eve to assist the developing ISS Navy Task Force in curbing pirate activity in Empire.
getting pwned?
"I believe in the theoretical benevolence, and practical piquants of cheese wotsits" |
Coasterbrian
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Posted - 2005.08.13 14:50:00 -
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Er, dude, the MC have explained this before on these boards. The only fair way to absolutely determine the value of a ship is by insurance payout, due to fluctuation of market prices making it impossible to define an exact value. I'm not a great huge fan of it either because it can skew the numbers in the MC's favor, but on the other hand anyone with half a brain knows what a HAC is truly worth on market.
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TIO 101
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Posted - 2005.08.13 14:51:00 -
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Edited by: TIO 101 on 13/08/2005 14:51:10
Originally by: K Shara
Nice values for lost ships...
hacs only counting as 20 million so that MC's losses seem so small.
If you want to which REAL ships were lost vivit the Contraband tracker @ www.contraband-inc.com
*no flame* but i was gona point that out also, HAC's cost upto 120mil each, a more apropriate cost would be, Mean Value ship price in capital system (yulai) - (Minus) PlatinumInsurance payout.
TIO 101 - TheInvisibleOne
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.08.13 15:01:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 13/08/2005 15:07:27
Originally by: K Shara
Nice values for lost ships...
hacs only counting as 20 million so that MC's losses seem so small.
If you want to which REAL ships were lost vivit the Contraband tracker @ www.contraband-inc.com
So it's to be like that is it? Are you suggesting that we are missing something? And here we were giving you guys massive respect for the fight last night and you want to bring this nonsense to EVE-O? Obviously not all Contraband pilots are cut from the same cloth. 
As for ship values, flame all you want. When a BS has a 160 mil ISK setup on it, it's not counted. How about when we destroy a Caladri Navy Raven (2-3 billion) with a 4 billion ISK setup and the killboard credits us with just 108 million in damage? Or when we pop a hauler with a few hundred million in Local Hull Expanders + minerals? Or let's talk about all of the Covert Ops and Stealth Bombers we kill and get peanuts for in terms of ISK.
Don't tell me the killboard.net calculations skew things in our favor. That's crap. 
As for this 'announcement', I'm not clear on why it was made. We're contracted against Contraband for the duration of thier war agaisnt ISS. Beyond that, nothing is yet set in stone.
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Bella Sorento
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Posted - 2005.08.13 15:14:00 -
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Edited by: Bella Sorento on 13/08/2005 15:18:13
ISS, have a history of making announcements that are exagerations of the truth.... (/emote recollects the ISS in-game news article regarding FIX) I guess being in the spotlight is good for business....
and yes im a dirty rotten alt...
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Laythun
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Posted - 2005.08.13 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
As for this 'announcement', I'm not clear on why it was made. We're contracted against Contraband for the duration of thier war agaisnt ISS. Beyond that, nothing is yet set in stone.
ISS chest-beating?
this pointless thread smacks of ISS propoganda. its whole intention is to assuage there members fears of further losses, and to halt the exodus of corps from there IGA.
"I believe in the theoretical benevolence, and practical piquants of cheese wotsits" |
HybridMiner
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Posted - 2005.08.13 15:22:00 -
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MC have explained thise before i think.
They produce several of the well used HAC's, therefor they use te at base price - with a steady supply of construction components from a good friend or making them themselves they can easily get these HACs much cheaper than you will see them for sale on the market.
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K Shara
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Posted - 2005.08.13 15:25:00 -
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Edited by: K Shara on 13/08/2005 15:25:29
Dude you misunderstand me.
My comment was not about the fight last night or today. Which BTW was most fun. My comment was about the way your kill tracker calculates value.
It is in no way a fair calculation in the least little way.
Which is why I suggested that anyone interested visit the Conin kill tracker that will list the actual ships and their fittings so that anyone can make their own judgement.
EDIT: And Conin cant get stuff at base price as well ?
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.08.13 15:33:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 13/08/2005 15:33:14
Originally by: K Shara
Dude you misunderstand me.
My comment was not about the fight last night or today. Which BTW was most fun. My comment was about the way your kill tracker calculates value.
It is in no way a fair calculation in the least little way.
Which is why I suggested that anyone interested visit the Conin kill tracker that will list the actual ships and their fittings so that anyone can make their own judgement.
K Shara, if you would look at the MC killboard closer, you will see that each kill mail has its own detailed screen much like yours that shows exactly what each ship was fitted with.
I do know that Leafo is working on a new killboard that will include several new features, one of which is the ability to input basic real-market values for ships. However, we're not sure if we want to do this for the reasons stated in posts above. Why?
The MC has several copies of each BS BPO and we build our own BS. We don't pay market prices for them. We produce nearly every HAC we fly. For example, in "real" terms, if I lose a Deimos, I'm out about 35 mil or so in construciton costs and maybe 10-15 mil in mods.
By the same token, we have no way of knowing what anyone else's industry is like either. So... what is the ONE constant thing that EVERY corp in the game has in common? The lousy insurance payouts. It's the one baseline that cannot be debated, thus it is the safest way to calculate some sort of ISK figure. It's not fair to us who do the killing or those who are being killed, but it's a hell of a lot better than trying to argue if the Raven we just killed was worth 150 mil or 284 mil.
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Burzon
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Posted - 2005.08.13 15:37:00 -
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Exodus of corporations from the IGA ??
Looks like i must have missed something.
/me logs in to view the alliance tab again ....
Burz
CEO PAX Interstellar Services
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danneh
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Posted - 2005.08.13 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Burzon
Exodus of corporations from the IGA ??
Looks like i must have missed something.
/me logs in to view the alliance tab again ....
Burz
During our war 2 corporations have left the ISS.
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Count TaSessine
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Posted - 2005.08.13 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: danneh
Originally by: Burzon
Exodus of corporations from the IGA ??
Looks like i must have missed something.
/me logs in to view the alliance tab again ....
Burz
During our war 2 corporations have left the ISS.
No, three actually 
Chairman, ISS
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Burzon
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Posted - 2005.08.13 16:06:00 -
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And where is this an Exodus ?
Burz
CEO PAX Interstellar Services
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danneh
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Posted - 2005.08.13 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Count TaSessine
Originally by: danneh
Originally by: Burzon
Exodus of corporations from the IGA ??
Looks like i must have missed something.
/me logs in to view the alliance tab again ....
Burz
During our war 2 corporations have left the ISS.
No, three actually
I must have gone to sleep to early  .
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Laythun
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Posted - 2005.08.13 16:28:00 -
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1 week. 3 corps have left.
call it want u want, i loath to get into pointless debate with u.
exÀoÀdus Audio pronunciation of "exodus" ( P ) (ks-ds)
n.
1. A departure of a large number of people.
"I believe in the theoretical benevolence, and practical piquants of cheese wotsits" |
Waagaa Ktlehr
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Posted - 2005.08.13 16:59:00 -
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Edited by: Waagaa Ktlehr on 13/08/2005 17:05:41
-edit-
blah :)
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I am a love machine, feeding my fantasy, give me a kiss or three, have fun! |
Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2005.08.13 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
For example, in "real" terms, if I lose a Deimos, I'm out about 35 mil or so in construciton costs and maybe 10-15 mil in mods.
However, the real value of any asset is not its historical value or the build cost - it is the current market value of the asset. You could sell the deimos for a lot more on the market.
One of the reasons I personally dislike killboards is the constant bickering over the accuracy and weighting of "killpoints" or isk losses for different classes.
Having said that, I understand that in the merc business you do have to show how you're doing to your customer(s). And I'm confident that MC killboard accuracy is top notch since your reputation is crucial in your line of work. And I agree on what you said that the isk loss calculation probably doesn't favour your side.
Ps. The TC member who's name escapes me at the moment, when will you convince the MC to war me? ;)
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2005.08.13 17:59:00 -
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As long as MC considers their lost HAC as the same value as an enemy losing a HAC, I can't see the problem.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Kaleeb
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Posted - 2005.08.13 18:14:00 -
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Seleene is there a way to look at mc kill/losses against contraband on the same page. So i can see what they have killed/lost and what MC has killed/lost
I`m sure i could do that during FOE
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.08.13 18:16:00 -
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How has this turned in to a killboard discussion?
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Count TaSessine
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Posted - 2005.08.13 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
How has this turned in to a killboard discussion?
Good question 
As for the relevant question of why we have lost 3 corps, I'd say that 0,0 space and moon mining are not for everybody. Sometimes overly enthusiastic CEO's and their directors join ISS without properly reflecting on the needs and wants of their memberbase.
Chairman, ISS
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Weebear
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Posted - 2005.08.13 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Kaleeb
Seleene is there a way to look at mc kill/losses against contraband on the same page. So i can see what they have killed/lost and what MC has killed/lost
I`m sure i could do that during FOE
Thin this is the link you are looking for Kaleeb.
Muahhahaha, KS's Seleenes chance to post a killboard link  |
Kaleeb
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Posted - 2005.08.13 18:23:00 -
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cheers wee 
Http://Guc.webinventions.co.uk |
Laythun
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Posted - 2005.08.13 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Count TaSessine
As for the relevant question of why we have lost 3 corps, I'd say that 0,0 space and moon mining are not for everybody. Sometimes overly enthusiastic CEO's and their directors join ISS without properly reflecting on the needs and wants of their memberbase.
are you serious??? my god do the lies never stop???
They are leavin because of your sustained loses!
you've lost 200+ ships in a week, that **** hurts dude, wake up and smell the frozen corpses.
your propaganda must stop Linkage
"I believe in the theoretical benevolence, and practical piquants of cheese wotsits" |
Ajaya
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Posted - 2005.08.13 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Count TaSessine
Originally by: Dianabolic
How has this turned in to a killboard discussion?
Good question
As for the relevant question of why we have lost 3 corps, I'd say that 0,0 space and moon mining are not for everybody. Sometimes overly enthusiastic CEO's and their directors join ISS without properly reflecting on the needs and wants of their memberbase.
I would also like to know why people are so infatuated with the MC killboard. Who cares about how they value their ships?
That being said, in regards to the corps leaving ISS, 2 of them have advised Contraband Inc., that their reasons for leaving were entirely due to their losses to us and other merc corps in recent wars.
Now, I would like to ask the Contraband members to stop whining about someone else's killboard. CONIN and it's employers uses our own killboard to measure our success, and as someone pointed out before, anyone with any intelligence can figure out how much a ship is really worth. No more need from the CONIN people to chime in on this announcement thread, I think.
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Kickass
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Posted - 2005.08.13 19:47:00 -
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Dear ISS,
Thank you for screwing us out of a contract which you agreed to and were supposed to be transfering isk to us for.
There is no need to go into detail, but rest assured we do not forgive or forget.
Better get the check ready for MC on this one...
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.08.13 20:00:00 -
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About a month ago a person from a totally unaffiliated corp killed a hauler alt of mine in low sec space. I asked for an apology and said the matter would be forgotten. I was laughed at.
Days passed and I ran across a member of the offending corp and killed and podded him.
But wait... What does ISS have to do with this?
Later that same day 2 members of Bobo Corp<ISS> assisted this person in a failed attempt to gank me.
So who are the real pirates in this story? Members of your "peaceful" alliance helping in ganks for less than honourable reasons? For shame!
Anyway, we've been paid to sprinkle a little chlorine in the ISS gene pool. You've paid MC. As long as theres 2 lots of debits in your expense column - we're happy enough
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