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VanDam
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Posted - 2005.08.13 22:01:00 -
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wot would win out of a demios and a zealot tell me wot and why 
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Shadowsword
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Posted - 2005.08.13 22:07:00 -
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In short: Range will decide.
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VanDam
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Posted - 2005.08.13 22:09:00 -
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i would think the zealot in most cases but demios in some the zealot has the advantage of speed it can stay away from the demios for its blasters to get in range to unlease its rath u might say webber but if u have a smart pilot they wont let them selfs get into web range but if u can they is still a little chance the zealot might sneak out but not likly so really it toast in close range yes
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sableye
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Posted - 2005.08.13 22:11:00 -
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it depends on how you fit to be honest but the deimos has natual highish resists to the zealots weapons you could probably tank it.
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Denrace
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Posted - 2005.08.13 22:30:00 -
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Nice question.
Deimos. Or Zealot.
The short answer is like someone above posted. Range
lets assume both ships are at full GANK.
The Zealot can have around a x9 Damage mod, 2 Second RoF and a range of between 15 to 60km (assuming Heavy Pulse II's and good skills)
The Deimos will have a Damage Mod of about x10/11, and RoF of about 3 to 4 seconds, plus drones. The Deimos can deal its best damage from 10km and under.
If the Deimos pilot is smart, and gets in close as fast as he can and gets a web on the zealot, then the Zealot (with Heavy Beam II's) wont be able to hit it very well. So the Deimos would win easily. With Heavy Pulse Lasers, it will *probably* be the Deimos again to win, simply because it has natural good resistances to Thermal damage.
Now, lets say the Zealot pilot has an AB fitted and can keep at least 25km+ from the Deimos. At 25km the Zealot can do INSANE damage, and would overpower a Deimos very quickly.
Hope this helps 
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W0lverine
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Posted - 2005.08.13 23:13:00 -
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 Originally by: Denrace
Nice question.
Deimos. Or Zealot.
The short answer is like someone above posted. Range
lets assume both ships are at full GANK.
The Zealot can have around a x9 Damage mod, 2 Second RoF and a range of between 15 to 60km (assuming Heavy Pulse II's and good skills)
The Deimos will have a Damage Mod of about x10/11, and RoF of about 3 to 4 seconds, plus drones. The Deimos can deal its best damage from 10km and under.
If the Deimos pilot is smart, and gets in close as fast as he can and gets a web on the zealot, then the Zealot (with Heavy Beam II's) wont be able to hit it very well. So the Deimos would win easily. With Heavy Pulse Lasers, it will *probably* be the Deimos again to win, simply because it has natural good resistances to Thermal damage.
Now, lets say the Zealot pilot has an AB fitted and can keep at least 25km+ from the Deimos. At 25km the Zealot can do INSANE damage, and would overpower a Deimos very quickly.
Hope this helps
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Bella Fada
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Posted - 2005.08.13 23:43:00 -
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Lol the diemos would win, just equip it with rails :)
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fairimear
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Posted - 2005.08.14 00:00:00 -
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like they say range, above 20km the zealot wins. but remember above 20km no way to keep the deimos from running.
so 10km down deimos.
10-15km deimos/zealot depending on zealot pilots reaction times
15km zealot.
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Dash Ripcock
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Posted - 2005.08.14 00:14:00 -
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As mentioned already - it all depends on range.
I fly both, and having fought Zealots in the Deimos and Deimos' in the Zealot I can safely say that the starting distance and the velocity of both ships will determine the outcome of the battle. If the fight starts under 20Km and the Deimos pilot gets the initiative, the Zealot will lose. At 1500m and under the Zealot simply can't hit nearly as well if the target is moving quickly, and the damage-per-second coming out of the Deimos and her drones will take it down.
Should the Zealot keep its range with an Afterburner II, even if the Deimos is using MWD it will most likely lose since the difference in velocity is less and its signature radius is absolutely enormous. The Deimos has the better tank (if it's using two hardeners to the Zealot's one), but if it can't use its guns whilst the Zealot can, the outcome is fairly straightforward. Of course this depends if the Deimos is using rails, but I think it's safe to say the majority don't.
Which is better? Neither in my opinion, they're both fantastic at what they do and I simply love flying them.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.08.14 03:55:00 -
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The zealot would win unless the deimos kills it. In which case the deimos wins.
And vice versa.
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siim
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Posted - 2005.08.14 04:05:00 -
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Fittings...
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Romulus Maximus
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Posted - 2005.08.14 05:49:00 -
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Originally by: fairimear
like they say range, above 20km the zealot wins. but remember above 20km no way to keep the deimos from running.
hmmm..ok
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Malken
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Posted - 2005.08.14 06:28:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
The zealot would win unless the deimos kills it. In which case the deimos wins.
And vice versa.
hehe you nailed the solution down
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2005.08.14 07:26:00 -
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An interesting note is that I've compared these two ships for tankability. If both are set up with tanks, they won't be able to kill each other. They tank better than a battleship. The Zealot has a slight advantage over the Deimos on tanking unless there's thermal and kinetic damage involved, in which case the deimos is the superior tank by far.
Though in pvp, nobody really tanks full-on. I suspect that the deimos would be fitted with speed equipment, perhaps a 10mn mwd, a webber and a warp scrambler. That means unless the zealot can maintain its range advantage, it's toast.
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F4ze
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Posted - 2005.08.14 11:40:00 -
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Repeat after me:
D E I M O S
It's NOT DIEMOS and NOT DEMIOS !!
ffs!
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.08.14 14:22:00 -
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The other point with range vs short range matchups is that a disproportionate number of kill results will go to the shorter range ship. This is because in order to kill the shorter range ship must get the opponent into web and scrambler range. Whereas in order to win the longer range ship needs to stay out of web and sometimes scrambler range also.
Means that the Deimos in optimal automatically has web and scram on the target whereas the Zealos in optimal engagement range (outside the Deimos optimal) is less likely to have scrambler and probably doesn't have web.
This means if losing the Deimos will run. Whereas the Zealot (if losing) just doesn't have the option.
Very important to overall result stats for this engagement.
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CKieschnick
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Posted - 2005.08.14 14:55:00 -
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If the zealot has a web then heavy beam 2's can hit from 30km to just about 1k with multi freq.
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Flissifrus
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Posted - 2005.08.14 14:56:00 -
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This question can't be answered because it all depends on place, time, cirqumstances, skills, fitting, take the enemy by surprise etc. so you will never know unless you fly either of them yourself and fights the other one
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OVERCOPES 1
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Posted - 2005.08.14 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
The zealot would win unless the deimos kills it. In which case the deimos wins.
And vice versa.
best comeback ever!!!!
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Kinsy
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Posted - 2005.08.15 12:49:00 -
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Surely a quick web by the Zealot on the Deimos would hold it at arms length long enough to get it down?
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Bryanna Rivellan
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Posted - 2005.08.15 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
The Zealot has a slight advantage over the Deimos on tanking unless there's thermal and kinetic damage involved, in which case the deimos is the superior tank by far.
and hybrid ammo, which deimos'es use (don't think anyone would get it into their mind to fit lasers on a deimos) do what kind of damage?
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TuRtLe HeAd
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Posted - 2005.08.15 13:16:00 -
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I just spent the last 10 minutes Trying to come up with an Answer and there isn't one.
I'm a Diemos Pilot and I'm swaying towards the Diemos, but then I love the Low slots of the Zealot, it makes it very versatile.
To be honest The Zealot is Medium to long Range HAC and Diemos is close to medium.
Simple answer is .
Close Range Diemos
Long RAnge Zealot (All though the Diemos would just warp away)
Medium Range, Who knows Close call ! |
hellwarrior
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Posted - 2005.08.15 18:45:00 -
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zealot cause its teh win.
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slapp
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Posted - 2005.08.15 23:45:00 -
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diemos, demios...
IT'S ******* DEIMOS! get a zealot, at least you spelled it correctly
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2005.08.15 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: Bryanna Rivellan
Originally by: Nyphur
The Zealot has a slight advantage over the Deimos on tanking unless there's thermal and kinetic damage involved, in which case the deimos is the superior tank by far.
and hybrid ammo, which deimos'es use (don't think anyone would get it into their mind to fit lasers on a deimos) do what kind of damage?
I don't think I see your point here. This is a theoretical Deimos Vs Zealot fight here, the Deimos isn't going to be shooting at itself..
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2005.08.16 03:21:00 -
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Cerberus owns both.
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W0lverine
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Posted - 2005.08.16 04:27:00 -
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does it matter?
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2005.08.16 04:28:00 -
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Originally by: W0lverine
does it matter?
only to people who measure their e-peen to how much DPS their ship does.
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Malken
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Posted - 2005.08.16 06:01:00 -
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a deimos can fit rails and a zealot can fit pulses and woopsie do the deimos are range and zealot close.
this discussion is really pointless.
and thats because the outcome of that battle as any battle in eve is your setup you have on your ship plus your skills and experience plus your daily % of luck vs the other guys setup plus skills plus experience and %luck.
there is no win all setup for either ship and people who put the deimos in a short range only folder and the zealot in a long range setup folder is just plain dumb and ignorant and will get killed because they take the other guys setup for granted.
use your imagination in both setups and tactics and always try to figure out new ways and tactics to use your ship and you will have a bucketload of fun.
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Bazman
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Posted - 2005.08.16 14:26:00 -
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I've been testing my Deimos vs corpmate zealots, and i can't find a way to beat them at all, assuming sub 20km engagements, the Zealot always wins, no matter what setup i come up with. One of the setups i fought against used 4 HPII's and a 1600 plate, and it zapped me to death before i was even through a 1/4 of his armour, my setups consisted of 5 Ion II's and a 400 plate, to a setup with 2 med guns, 3 small neuts and a 1600 plate (Giving over 7,000 armour) and it still lost by a large margin no matter the setup. Won't even bother with railguns, because they have nothing on Heavy Pulses. The only way to take it out would be to use tracking disrupters and/or cap neuts.
Woe is me :P
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