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Onomerous
Shockwave Innovations
Shockwave Sovereign Industries
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Posted - 2013.03.07 14:20:00 -
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Posting in another 'nerf cloaking' thread to verify there is no problem with cloaking. This is especially true in Null sec which is supposed to have risks. |
Onomerous
Shockwave Innovations
Shockwave Sovereign Industries
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Posted - 2013.03.07 14:27:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:Lillith Sakata wrote:Andy Landen wrote:Let's bring this thread back on track. We are assuming that both "local" and the cloaking mechanic are balanced and working fine. Please look to the proposals outlined in the OP or submit your own ideas. Well, good luck with the thread here mate. My post got completely derailed by these mutlibox camping tools that derail threads with the constant drone of whining about how its balanced because of 0 interaction -- oh wait, unless its on the 'local' channel. F'n nitwits that can't make their own thread and get pounded themselves, since the problem isn't Local, its these idiots that camp systems or whole damn constellations with their 4+ multibox toon accounts. My post was about how broken I thought it was when I got the skills trained up on my alt and saw just how absolutely easy it was to utterly shut down a system, or 3, despite camps, people actively looking for me, etc. These people will continuously derail any thread that addresses the obviously broken cloaking system. And yeah, you nailed it on the heads when you said 0 risk. And as for the search function... meh. Doesn't really matter since most of the threads you'll find (mine included) are completely sidetracked by people whining about local (and I agree with the guy above "GO TO WH SPACE"), and the poster of each thread yelling at these idiots to make their own thread specifically about 'no local'. I've gone as far as ignoring most of the people that post about no local. I got tired of yelling at em. Nice rant bro. You can attempt to demonise us all you want and cry that your thread was "derailed" but that's just silly. You brought up a certain issue, we discussed the direct cause and how to possibly work things out. And you threw a hissy fit because you refused to acknowledge that local is the actual issue. How many of us wormhole dwellers do you see crying about cloakies, afk or otherwise? Zero. Take a wild guess why that is.
No two ways about it, cloaking (even AFk cloaking) isn't really something which destroys EVE. No local then no problem. WH'ers live with it and NS can do it as well.
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Onomerous
Shockwave Innovations
Shockwave Sovereign Industries
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Posted - 2013.03.08 13:16:00 -
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Andy Landen wrote:Onomerous wrote:
No two ways about it, cloaking (even AFK cloaking) isn't really something which destroys EVE. No local then no problem. WH'ers live with it and NS can do it as well.
This thread has NOTHING to do with "local". Here is a simplified explanation why NOT: It has everything to do with the fact that a player can remain cloaked in a system with 1) zero client interaction (zero effort), 2a) present a cyno threat, 2b) disrupt system operations (big reward), and 3) risk nothing to do it.None of those three points have anything to do with local. 2a and 2b are just as legitimate regardless of local, or of ignorance (no local). WHs don't have cynos OR SUPERS, so wh space can't really even be compared to known space. PS: There are plenty of ways to catch ratters/miners in null sec without cloaks. There is a really cool ship class called the interdictor. Bubbles do not need cloaks or local to be effective. You'll have to turn those brain cells on to think of the very many other ways to catch ships in null sec without cloaks or local, but zero-effort, zero-risk AFK cloaky methods simply fly in the face of the Eve rewards-risk philosophy.
I don't give one rats arse about local in NS one way or the other. I live with cloaked ships all the time (AFK or active). Heck, I don't even know they are there unless I get lucky and pick them up on dscan while uncloaked. The friggin NS bears are QQ about how these guys lock down a system... really? |
Onomerous
Shockwave Innovations
Shockwave Sovereign Industries
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Posted - 2013.03.11 12:43:00 -
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Nariya Kentaya wrote:The issue OP seems to be having problems with from skimming the proposal isnt about local or cloaking.
its about cynos.
thats a FORCE PROJECTION issue, something thats a universal issue with null allowing large alliances to claim vast swathes of unused space with no reason to ignore smaller entities moving in withot crushing them, since they can have their entire capital armada there and back in 2 hours maximum (counting the POS bash itself into the time if they bring enough dreads).
as far as cloaking goes, outside of a cyno possibility, they pose no threat, as any cloaked ship is inherently gimping their fit.
BOOM... I say BOOM!!! There is the issue. You don't see people actually say it but a cyno is the real problem. If you try to argue about WH not having local, the NS players will usually mention cyno drops. |
Onomerous
Shockwave Innovations
Shockwave Sovereign Industries
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Posted - 2013.03.11 16:05:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:The problem these days is the greedy risk averse carebears that have now filtered into null. Null is supposed to be dangerous. That means the neutral floating around in your system might be a threat, you have to accept that. If you don't, go back to highsec. Don't **** and moan that you don't have perfect safety in null because a single neutral is roaming around and you can't quickly and easily find & kill him and go back to your crappy PVE
What about all the peeps who think NS should be the end game for ALL players? Players should be eventually FORCED to NS? Surely they anticipated putting HS players into NS wouldn't be smooth... :) |
Onomerous
Shockwave Innovations
Shockwave Sovereign Industries
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Posted - 2013.03.11 18:26:00 -
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I agree 100% about the sandbox and player choice. Unfortunately, too many null sex (and low sex) players believe people should eventually move to their area (or be forced).
The entire cloaky QQ, especially since it is mostly NS players, is really entertaining. Make NS safer? Really? |
Onomerous
Shockwave Innovations
Shockwave Sovereign Industries
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Posted - 2013.03.13 12:16:00 -
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Nikk Narrel wrote:Jacid wrote:I think what the OP is saying is that he wants to stop local as an instant intel tool and with that I agree with the OP LOL, he states in his original post the thread is not about local. The implication is that Local cannot be unbalanced, however cloaking / cyno usage can be. Despite the demonstrated fact that they relate directly to each other, in the context present. Yep....
I would say there is a third part to this equation: force projection. It is rarely mentioned (you did referenced cyno usage) but is the elephant in the room. All three must be taken together when you are discussing the OP. |
Onomerous
Shockwave Innovations
Shockwave Sovereign Industries
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Posted - 2013.03.19 17:29:00 -
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^^ That post is talking about the real issue (not cloaking): force projection |
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