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Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
Amarr 7th Fleet
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Posted - 2013.03.07 17:19:00 -
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Juicescro wrote:Mra Rednu wrote:Juicescro wrote:Well there is one person at least who agrees that multi boxing is cheating. No it was just a nice way of saying you a tool. I really don't mind if you pick apart my argument or have something to add. Frankly, that is harassing and very childish and you will be reported for such. Grow up. You are a very small weak person to do something like that. You know what you really lack besides guts? Creativity! Trolling like that is so old hat, you aren't funny and it isn't necessary. Where I come from I learned to treat other people how I wanted to be treated and always be respectful.
I fully admit I did not put any effort into this at all, I save my best work for Sahtogas local where I feel it gets the appreciation it fully deserves, I assumed in this case others would fall for and then feed the troll ( a assumtion which proved correct btw ) so my imput would not really been needed at all, but I saw the chance of getting a first reply to a thread and grabbed it.
Also I did not feel the need to pick apart you're argument because I found you're post barely readable, never seeing an argument or point of view put forward, what I did see was a random KM with 4 of our most illustrious pilots killing Johnny wartarget, such wild and crazy accusations without proof is bordering on harrassment and it is a thin line you are walking my lad....
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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
1866
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Posted - 2013.03.07 17:35:00 -
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This thread is ..... sad.....
1.) Losing a thorax to a condor means the condor flew well... You should give him honor, not whine about it. I've solo'd Cynabals, Vaga's, hurricanes, drakes, ravens, and much more in frigates... and it takes someone that understands how to fit and fly to pull it off.
2.) Multiboxing is not a big deal.... In my experience, multiboxing takes a lot of effort and concentration, and is fairly difficult to pull off (I try not to multibox in combat too much, cause I often screw up piloting when I do).
3.) OGB's suck.. and CCP is looking into them, but they aren't cheating... they are just cheap! |
Kezn Tzestu
Spectral Technology
3
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Posted - 2013.03.07 17:40:00 -
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I have 3 accounts but i never multibox for pvp, i usually do other stuff if i do multibox, i have no problem with ppls multiboxing if they want, i would however like to see some kind of sign on the target that he is boosted. I love the 1v1's / solo killing, but constant meeting players that make it seem like this will be a straight up 1v1 but in reality has a booster camped.
if there simply was a icon to show that the target player is boosted, doesnt have to tell anything about what boost or anything like that, i couldnt care less about ppls multiboxing as a player controlling a small gang on his own i would at least see that there is involved more than just the one ship with d-scan ect. |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2038
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Posted - 2013.03.07 19:39:00 -
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I've removed some off topic and trolling posts. Please remember to keep it civil and on topic. Also, if another player is harassing you, it is highly suggested that you write a petition about them. thank you.
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Captain
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
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Takseen
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
349
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Posted - 2013.03.07 20:59:00 -
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ALUCARD 1208 wrote:how is ogb a pay to win feature. pay to win is wen someone buys something from a game store like golden ammo or a harder ship which can be repeated everytime youve used it up or died. you cant just buy boosters from ccp someone trained that toon and spent alot of time doing so yes they can be bought from bazarr but so can any toon, it cant be made a rule no selling boosting toons. As for the stopping ogb they said they would look into it but the code for them just to have an area of effect or being system wide is a little too complicated for them atm....
multiboxing is fine if someone can run more than one account good luck to them tbh, again this is something that isnt just bought but trained toons for and only certain people can do it.... so no pay to win here either
I don't know why people are so reluctant to admit Eve is pay to win. You can boost literally every aspect of your stats using real money. What generally makes it feel acceptable is that there's more risk attached to wearing a Snake set or flying a pirate frigate or using faction modules or having a 50mSP clone. Ogbs do seem to break that rule a bit if they're as hard to scan down as some have indicated.
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ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis
Sicarius Draconis
141
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Posted - 2013.03.07 22:04:00 -
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there are many point here that are completly wrong yes u can buy stuff in game that boost ur chances of winning but dont garuntee a win and are accesable to all if they grind isk and train for these things it is not like world of tanks were u buy extras like golden ammo for irl cash from the game developers.
50mill sp clones dont come from buying extras from ccp they come from people taking time to train them it will happen in ne game ofc older players will have more sp than newer players..
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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
561
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Posted - 2013.03.07 22:06:00 -
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Posting in a troll thread.
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
519
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Posted - 2013.03.07 22:12:00 -
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Takseen wrote:ALUCARD 1208 wrote:how is ogb a pay to win feature. pay to win is wen someone buys something from a game store like golden ammo or a harder ship which can be repeated everytime youve used it up or died. you cant just buy boosters from ccp someone trained that toon and spent alot of time doing so yes they can be bought from bazarr but so can any toon, it cant be made a rule no selling boosting toons. As for the stopping ogb they said they would look into it but the code for them just to have an area of effect or being system wide is a little too complicated for them atm....
multiboxing is fine if someone can run more than one account good luck to them tbh, again this is something that isnt just bought but trained toons for and only certain people can do it.... so no pay to win here either
I don't know why people are so reluctant to admit Eve is pay to win. You can boost literally every aspect of your stats using real money. What generally makes it feel acceptable is that there's more risk attached to wearing a Snake set or flying a pirate frigate or using faction modules or having a 50mSP clone. Ogbs do seem to break that rule a bit if they're as hard to scan down as some have indicated.
All those things can be bought without using real money. Hence, not pay2win. I have all of the things that are being complained about in this thread lol, but i didnt spend anything over my subscription to get them. |
Takseen
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
349
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Posted - 2013.03.07 23:14:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:
All those things can be bought without using real money. Hence, not pay2win. I have all of the things that are being complained about in this thread lol, but i didnt spend anything over my subscription to get them.
Ahh, that's a better distinction.
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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
1575
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Posted - 2013.03.07 23:18:00 -
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i don't see the problem in your particular case. What would you do if he would have a fleet of distinct people instead of 5 alts? Its the same thing basically. You lost against a small fleet, thats all. Guess what would happen if you would have 5 people in fleet and fight a 5 client multiboxer.
i have one account, one char and do solo pvp most of the time. No OGB, nothing. I don't do it for the stats, i do it for the challenge. Could i win more fights with an OGB? of course. But why should i use it?
Sure OGB is at the current state broken, but not because the booster is an alt in 100% of all cases, its because its risk free. A small pos tower protecting your booster is cheaper as the average T3 subsystem of your booster alt.
Multiboxing pve is a different topic since it has other issues. For example it scales linear. You can double your fleet and point them to the ice asteroid and you have double throughput. Thats not cool. Ice does not deplete. The only limit for ice miners is the technical limit how many clients he can run. Again, thats not cool at all.
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Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
Amarr 7th Fleet
185
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Posted - 2013.03.07 23:27:00 -
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:I've removed some off topic and trolling posts. Please remember to keep it civil and on topic. Also, if another player is harassing you, it is highly suggested that you write a petition about them. thank you.
Thread unlocked.
I thought some of my post was on topic !!! :( |
Mark Munoz
Schwarzschild Casimir Collective
STR8NGE BREW
85
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Posted - 2013.03.08 01:38:00 -
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Confirming that all of the above posts were done by one RL guy doing sanctioned forum cheating while OGB multiboxing noobs. |
Abannan
Justified Chaos
85
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Posted - 2013.03.08 02:54:00 -
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Why are all the eastern european fw pilots batshit insane |
ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis
Sicarius Draconis
141
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Posted - 2013.03.08 03:16:00 -
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Abannan wrote:Why are all the eastern european fw pilots batshit insane
VODKA?
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Sean Parisi
Fugutive Task Force
Caldari State Capturing
189
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Posted - 2013.03.08 07:55:00 -
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I multi-box 3 accounts. It isn't hard, nor is multi-boxing a problem - I personally disdain using links though. But that is my personal opinion.
Fact is, a condor would of beat a thorax easily. Just kill its drones and keep at range / hope he has no friends. It isn't hard, learn to figure out how game mechanics work. My friend Jeff killed a Maller the other day with a condor (No links either!).
I do agree that links should be made to be on grid, as I personally find them relatively low risk and overly beneficial. Many believe they are solo pvping when they have a good 30% boost on everyone else. I would rather people use Falcon pilots that they actually have to risk on the field and micromanage then a floating boost.
But like AFK cloakers (non issue), I do not believe it is an issue of urgency. |
Sean Parisi
Fugutive Task Force
Caldari State Capturing
189
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Posted - 2013.03.08 08:08:00 -
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ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
and for those who are crying like babies at been trolled....... Grow Up its a game i have 1 simple solution BLOCK THEM
This as well, I am personally not a fan of political correctness gone mad. I have insulted and been insulted by other players (But in good fun mind you), if someone says something In local short of threatening you, I believe the best solution is to simply block them.
If they continue to insult you through private messages with multiple accounts, I believe that is grounds to report them for harassment. Because that is an active pursuit of causing you discomfort. As opposed to friendly smack talk / banter in local.
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Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Caldari State Capturing
459
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Posted - 2013.03.08 08:25:00 -
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I for one, enjoy local banter, especially in the forum of split personality russian personas.
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Ashrik Tyr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2013.03.08 17:27:00 -
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Haha why are people telling random Internet strangers about their mental disorders or when a parent dies? Good gravy, try to be a little less outwardly broken, people.
And multi - boxing will always be okay. I don't think there exists a single MMO in which it isn't. You may call it "Pay2Win",but your opinion on the matter is just slightly more relevant than that of the homeless man's down the street. |
GreenSeed
239
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Posted - 2013.03.08 21:52:00 -
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if he has 5 accounts he must commit 5 ships, 5 pods and 5x the modules. if he has a bigger chance of success because there are more ships on the field, i call that.... eve online?
stop being a child and give up on the whole "solo pvp" dream... you engaged a group of 4 players with ogb and died, nothing out of the ordinary.
and about the other 2 things, OGB needs to go away. no need to tweak it, just get rid of it plain and simple. and if he spews racial slurs in local... report it, maybe? idk, its just a crazy idea i just got. |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Samurai Pizza Cats
397
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Posted - 2013.03.08 22:49:00 -
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GreenSeed wrote:and about the other 2 things, OGB needs to go away. no need to tweak it, just get rid of it plain and simple. .
This. The planned "on grid boosting" change is going to make large gangs with logi more powerful against a skirmishing force than they currently are.
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Khalid DeCroix
MADPVP
Mad Citizens
0
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Posted - 2013.03.10 00:31:00 -
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While the use of certain programs to manage multiple accounts is certainly borderline cheating imo, multiboxing is not in and of itself. And CCP is never going to ban it lol. That'd kill off half or more of their playerbase instantly. Every remotely serious player I know runs two accounts at least.
On a secondary note, please leave your personal problems at home or discuss them with your corp mates. No one in this game is going to care, and with people like Tang Tso in this game, we probably won't believe you either. Telling someone at random ingame about your rl issues is like walking up to a random person in the street and talking to them about it lol. Go see a doctor, get some friends, or do anything besides seek help from random people in a video game. |
Freundliches Feuer
Get Lost.
63
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Posted - 2013.03.10 02:02:00 -
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LOL do people whine about everything on here?!
OP, you do realise multiboxing 5 accounts takes 5x more skill and time than doing it with 1 ? So in reality he is 5x better than you. If he has the quick response to operate 5 toons and kick your ass then he deserves it. I fly with 4 myself, haven't tried 5 yet but its pretty awesome, and instead of crying, you should learn how to do it too.
You got your ass kicked in a 4v1 fight, and the first thing you do is cry on the forums. well done, have a cookie. noob. |
Taiko Igunen
Choke-Hold
5
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Posted - 2013.03.10 09:07:00 -
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Freundliches Feuer wrote: ... I fly with 4 myself, haven't tried 5 yet but its pretty awesome, and instead of crying, you should learn how to do it too. ...
So your point is "If you can't beat 'em join 'em!".
Having several accounts and using them -> perfectly justified.
Using your account(s) for whatever you feel like -> totally within the sandbox
Multiboxing and off-grid-boosting -> all legitimate and game mechanics abiding
However, you pay for extra accounts to get an extra chance of winning. That is pay-to-win - of course, that needs player skill, I give you that - but it is what it is.
Dear CCP, this is something you might want to look into. Game mechanics. (;
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Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
The Bloody Ronin Syndicate
384
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Posted - 2013.03.10 11:25:00 -
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Everyone should remember that off grid boosting has been there more than 5 years already, so if you do not have booster alt it is only our own fault. You have had plenty of time to train one and grind isk to pay it.
Now if you are new player who just joined circus and do not have one and can not buy one, then join some corporation who can provide ogb support at least on fleet ops.
EVE is game where long play time and skilled chars gives some advantage but not something that makes game impossible for new players.
OGB is not something you have to buy with $ you can use isk to fund it and all modules and ships are in game items not NEX stuff.
If someone is willing to pay more than one account ofc he is allowed to use those, usually efficiency goes down with every alt and finally adding more alts do not help much.
OGB may be too powerfull on some cases and CCP should balance values bit down but not to remove it totally. |
Alaric Faelen
Sabotage Incorporated
Executive Outcomes
107
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Posted - 2013.03.10 22:36:00 -
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I'm on your side about trollers being fucktards, but I simply can't imagine any faceless video game player being able to in any way affect me so. Much less an obvious idiot.
Now multi-boxing is a better topic. It IS pay to win, get over your justifications. Anything that is done specifically to circumvent the game's mechanics is a cheat. It's that simple.
Using a 'disposable person' to scout a gate ahead of your shiny ship is, by definition, NOT PLAYING EVE.
Don't be a loser in the basement, make some friends, have them scout. PLAY the game rather than seek ways to simply brush off the game mechanics. Or...dread...take a risk and maybe get shot. Oh no, not with internet spaceships!
Which begs the question- if the game's intent (that of letting you create a 'life' in New Eden) holds no interest for you, and the games mechanics of risk/danger are optional, best paid to ignore, why play at all? Is there so much self-esteem to be gained from 'winning' a video game that the GAME ITSELF is just there to be exploited? And how does one get any satisfaction in a victory accomplished without any actual risk?
Call it hokey, but MMO players by and large utterly forget the INTENT of the game they're playing. It's just numbers, KMs, a fancy calculator. For all the odd balances and outdated code of Eve, by far the worst unbalancing metric is the players themselves being wholly uninterested in Eve as a game. No amount of balancing by devs will matter if all people care about is finding some way to work around any given restriction by use of tactics that only work because it's a game.
Now, obviously CCP doesn't care. Subscriptions are why they make the game. It all boils down to the players. And obviously players care more about claiming victory than how they got there.
It's too idealistic to hope people will play a game as it's intended. Not in the RP sense, but in the sense that the rules aren't just there to be taken advantage of by who ever feels like paying more than everyone else.
In the end I just play the game as it's intended. If it costs me isk, ships, or KMs, then whatever- it's a game and 'winning' at it isn't so important to me that I run spreadsheets, multi-box, care about isk/hour or anything NOT FUN. Sadly for too many people, they don't like Eve enough to have fun even if they're not always winning. |
Taoist Dragon
Bastion of Mad Behaviour
293
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Posted - 2013.03.10 22:57:00 -
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I personally don't have any issues with people multiboxing. I just can't be arsed to do so! (i'm bad enough without splitting my attention between accounts) I have had multiple accounts in the past but normally to train characters to transfer to my main account or to sell for isk.
The Off grid boosting I find annoying and feel that making it on grid only will be a big help. I'll still be stomped by a gang flying with on grid boosts while out flying solo but at least they will have commited their booster to the field. If the boosting system made it easier to scan the boost ship down then it would be less of an issue than it is. And boosting behind shields is just bad and is the main reason I hate Off grid boosts.
I prefer to fly 'true' solo (no alts scanning/scouting for me) it does limit my options at time yes and does mean that I'm at a disadvantage a lot of the times. but it also means that the kills I get are, for me at least, more memorable.
That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything. |
Juicescro
Mont Argent
The Big Dirty
4
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Posted - 2013.03.12 22:37:00 -
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Taoist Dragon wrote: If the boosting system made it easier to scan the boost ship down then it would be less of an issue than it is. And boosting behind shields is just bad and is the main reason I hate Off grid boosts.
Dude, I would be so fine with that, if there was a chance to at least kill the booster that would go a long long way to making it a legit mechanic.
As it stands, I do know someone who is notorious for scanning down and killing boosters. A 2003 player with an alt with all lvl 5 scan skills and a billion in implants. Currently not all boosters can be hit, there is a thread about it somewhere.
I am a big fan of giving people a chance to fight back.
BTW, the people on here defending multi boxing in a fight need to go outside a little more and wake up. Would you take a fistfight against 4 people your same size, karate skills aside.
This is an MMO whatever. The social interaction aspect of the game is one of the great things about EVE. Relying on your friends for logi and support are part of the challenge.
Part of the game is "realistic science fiction" like Star Trek. If it were real life there would be one of you. Of course, if it were realistic: a computer on a starship could probably control a few scan probes itself. |
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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1873
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Posted - 2013.03.12 23:32:00 -
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Locked for moderation...
ISD Suvetar
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Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
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Boobiq
Imperial Express
5
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Posted - 2013.03.13 11:24:00 -
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Multiboxing should be banned. In PVP it might be hard to control multiply accounts in most cases, but there are still pretty many cases that needs banning it.
1. One man sniperfleets in example. Lets say one will make a 150+ km bookmark near gate and warp 10 man tornado fleet into that spot and insta shoot anyone. This does not require much actually as if u have same fit on each ship its pretty much 2 clicks to lock the target and pop.
2. Mining is pretty eazy with boxing software, does not require any effort to mine dat ice with 80+ accounts. This is seen in may systems so its easy as a pie.
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ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis
Sicarius Draconis
146
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Posted - 2013.03.13 11:56:00 -
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banning multiboxing will result in accounts being un subbd something ccp will not want tbh
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