Ok.

This is ridiculous http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16171654.

How is that ridiculous? Boost or no boost, kiting condor should pretty much always win a blaster thorax, especially thorax which only has a flight of medium drones. If Thorax fails to call for back-up in the many minutes it takes for condor to chew him down though, too bad for him.

Awoxing own militia is of course different matter but is anyone actually surprised by Adolf being at it anymore?

It doesn't help that this person regularly spews homophobic and vile hate speech and rages profanity in local like a ten year old.

It doesn't help that this pilot mocks people with ridiculous statements, character assassinates legit players with his/her multiple toons in militia chat.

Well there is one person at least who agrees that multi boxing is cheating.

The bolded bit is what you need to prove, the rest is true but its also not limited to Cynthia. Cynthia is known for local trolling and using multiple accounts. Oddly, I thought he'd be a spurging **** when I first flew and got on comms with him (bare in mind before I joined minmatar I was on the recieving end of it). He's not, he hates wartargets with a passion only them biomassing will calm down but none of it is real life related.

As for the multi-boxing, not sure he does it. I do know he's a pro at controlling multiple accounts and he's certainly not the first to do it.

OGB's... I'm tired of talking about it. I'll welcome them all going but if they stay I don't care. It's part of the game so plan for it.

No it was just a nice way of saying you a tool.

As far as proving the bolded part that would require posting multiple tickets given to game masters, who seem to not care. I'm not sure if that is against the rules. You can ask anyone in Minmatar militia about the said person's rage in local. I couldn't imagine being in comms.

There is a difference between having passion for a game or "hating war targets" as you put it and full scale cyber bullying. I also have tickets against this person for creating alts just to send harassing mail after being quickly put on block.

You know what I usually do when my fake internet spaceship blows up? Say "good fight" in local and not get bent out of shape over it. I think it is so petty, the name calling and the harassment from behind a screen, get your kill and move on. Sportsmanship is something that has sadly been lost. Then again so has class and respect.

Damn, I thought you were picking on Admiral Hayes, et al. etc, etc, or the other guys using ISBOXER.

I should really have ticketed Cynthia for trolling me over my depression. If its bad for Mittens to say a dude should kill himself, then Cynthia should be rapped over the knuckles for telling me I should have killed myself from my depression.

I mean...come on CCP. He's a useless Hungarian ****, but this one douchebag makes hundreds of your paying customers really wonder why they play this game at all if all they get from logging in is childish abuse from exploiters and **** bags. Ban one guy for life, any you'll keep a hundred more customers for years.

Oh don't get me wrong, I know Cynthia trolls like a madman, I've just never seen the bits written in bold. See what you've done is link real life bullying and in game trolling into the same sentence. The bolded bit is you claiming Cynthia crosses the line into bigotry, the rest is all just in game trolling. The first bit I can say I too would be pissed with but I am yet to see it.

The problem you have is lets say that does happen for a second. Lets say He is a human cesspool of negative sentimentality and rage. Do you believe it's limited to him? I could petition some minmatar every single day let alone random corps that fly through the warzone from null sec that literally would be classed as cyber bullies if you were to be effected by that kind of thing.

Sometimes I kill a target and I am literally called things that crosses so many lines in real life it would get them strung up by the balls in most countries.

So what I'm saying is you are claiming that cynthia crosses those lines. Without having seen that I'd need to see proof.

Again, I'd like to re-iterate I am not supporting 'cyber bullying'. I just think to many people are quick to use that particular set of words without proof to push an agenda.

Cynthia hurt me too, he mocked the time I told him, a complete random stranger, that I was having difficulty dealing with my mothers death.

All he did was take the **** and laugh at me.

CCP need to do something about him because frankly this kind of behaviour just has to stop. I've petitioned him 15 times over the last 3 weeks but they've done nothing. I'm just going to leave it now, surely CCP sanction this kind of bullying.

Cynthia hurt me too, he mocked the time I told him, a complete random stranger, that I was having difficulty dealing with my mothers death.

All he did was take the **** and laugh at me.

CCP need to do something about him because frankly this kind of behaviour just has to stop. I've petitioned him 15 times over the last 3 weeks but they've done nothing. I'm just going to leave it now, surely CCP sanction this kind of bullying.

No, Christine P, you are absolutely 100% right. And I have been guilty of losing my temper on occasion too. What I haven't done is gone into militia chat saying things about someone I am mad at that are untrue . What I haven't done is create multiple multiple alts to continue to send them in game mail. What I haven't done is used other players to conbey hurtful insulting messages. What I haven't done is continued to spew hurtful things towards another person when they reasonably and nicely asked me to stop.

But Eve can be frustrating, no one would falt you for losing it from time to time, all players do.

As far as the hate speech, I am starting to think you want to bait me into typing out what that person said. It involves words for homosexuals and handicapped people directed 100% at my main and I'm not going down that road, so stop asking. If it weren't true she would not have been warned and banned for "offensive language" unfortunately temporarily.

Look what she did to Trinket going after him while suffering depression, is this actually someone you respect?

OGB is getting looked at
Multiboxing is fine and acceptable and always has been. Its not botting.
WCS are nothing new
CCP takes offensive language and racial slurs seriously. If you're upset by them then file a petition-it will be addressed. Don't come to the forums and throw it in with your kitchen-sink whine thread.

OGB is getting looked at
Multiboxing is fine and acceptable and always has been. Its not botting.
WCS are nothing new
CCP takes offensive language and racial slurs seriously. If you're upset by them then file a petition-it will be addressed. Don't come to the forums and throw it in with your kitchen-sink whine thread.

I am pretty sure Cynthia is insane, better he vents it in eve online than in some random schoolyard or movietheather. I know most of my corp agrees with me on this. Better humor him, we aren't in a position to get him treatment.

He goes around racking up kills all day with minuscule threat of losing a ship, second account and a booster, pay to win.

Quite a lot of people go around racking up kills with OGB links, many of them are terribad without them. At least I can say that Adolf is a competent pvp'er and many were the times we went outnumbered against fleets led by X gallentius and whatnot and end result was always lots of dead froggies and this was before he flew boosters.

Of course then PERVS disbanded and nowadays we hate each other (or at least I hate him) but such are the surprises of life...

Hate???? How does this emotion even exist over pixels!!!! i seriously dont understand you.

You are simply fundamentally flawed as a human being!

I really don't mind if you pick apart my argument or have something to add. Frankly, that is harassing and very childish and you will be reported for such. Grow up. You are a very small weak person to do something like that.

You know what you really lack besides guts? Creativity! Trolling like that is so old hat, you aren't funny and it isn't necessary.

Where I come from I learned to treat other people how I wanted to be treated and always be respectful.

how is ogb a pay to win feature. pay to win is wen someone buys something from a game store like golden ammo or a harder ship which can be repeated everytime youve used it up or died. you cant just buy boosters from ccp someone trained that toon and spent alot of time doing so yes they can be bought from bazarr but so can any toon, it cant be made a rule no selling boosting toons. As for the stopping ogb they said they would look into it but the code for them just to have an area of effect or being system wide is a little too complicated for them atm....
multiboxing is fine if someone can run more than one account good luck to them tbh, again this is something that isnt just bought but trained toons for and only certain people can do it.... so no pay to win here either

I don't know why people are so reluctant to admit Eve is pay to win. You can boost literally every aspect of your stats using real money. What generally makes it feel acceptable is that there's more risk attached to wearing a Snake set or flying a pirate frigate or using faction modules or having a 50mSP clone. Ogbs do seem to break that rule a bit if they're as hard to scan down as some have indicated.

All those things can be bought without using real money. Hence, not pay2win. I have all of the things that are being complained about in this thread lol, but i didnt spend anything over my subscription to get them.

I've removed some off topic and trolling posts. Please remember to keep it civil and on topic. Also, if another player is harassing you, it is highly suggested that you write a petition about them. thank you.

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Why are all the eastern european fw pilots batshit insane

and for those who are crying like babies at been trolled....... Grow Up its a game i have 1 simple solution BLOCK THEM

and about the other 2 things, OGB needs to go away. no need to tweak it, just get rid of it plain and simple. .

... I fly with 4 myself, haven't tried 5 yet but its pretty awesome, and instead of crying, you should learn how to do it too. ...

If the boosting system made it easier to scan the boost ship down then it would be less of an issue than it is. And boosting behind shields is just bad and is the main reason I hate Off grid boosts.

i don't see the problem in your particular case. What would you do if he would have a fleet of distinct people instead of 5 alts? Its the same thing basically. You lost against a small fleet, thats all. Guess what would happen if you would have 5 people in fleet and fight a 5 client multiboxer.

i have one account, one char and do solo pvp most of the time. No OGB, nothing. I don't do it for the stats, i do it for the challenge. Could i win more fights with an OGB? of course. But why should i use it?

Sure OGB is at the current state broken, but not because the booster is an alt in 100% of all cases, its because its risk free. A small pos tower protecting your booster is cheaper as the average T3 subsystem of your booster alt.


Multiboxing pve is a different topic since it has other issues. For example it scales linear. You can double your fleet and point them to the ice asteroid and you have double throughput. Thats not cool. Ice does not deplete. The only limit for ice miners is the technical limit how many clients he can run. Again, thats not cool at all.

There is a HUGE difference in a multiboxer and someone who plays more accounts at once - imho.
Just saying because i think OP is mixing it up.

I'm on your side about trollers being , but I simply can't imagine any faceless video game player being able to in any way affect me so. Much less an obvious idiot.

Now multi-boxing is a better topic. It IS pay to win, get over your justifications. Anything that is done specifically to circumvent the game's mechanics is a cheat. It's that simple.

Using a 'disposable person' to scout a gate ahead of your shiny ship is, by definition, NOT PLAYING EVE.
Don't be a loser in the basement, make some friends, have them scout. PLAY the game rather than seek ways to simply brush off the game mechanics. Or...dread...take a risk and maybe get shot. Oh no, not with internet spaceships!

Which begs the question- if the game's intent (that of letting you create a 'life' in New Eden) holds no interest for you, and the games mechanics of risk/danger are optional, best paid to ignore, why play at all? Is there so much self-esteem to be gained from 'winning' a video game that the GAME ITSELF is just there to be exploited? And how does one get any satisfaction in a victory accomplished without any actual risk?

Call it hokey, but MMO players by and large utterly forget the INTENT of the game they're playing. It's just numbers, KMs, a fancy calculator. For all the odd balances and outdated code of Eve, by far the worst unbalancing metric is the players themselves being wholly uninterested in Eve as a game. No amount of balancing by devs will matter if all people care about is finding some way to work around any given restriction by use of tactics that only work because it's a game.

Now, obviously CCP doesn't care. Subscriptions are why they make the game. It all boils down to the players. And obviously players care more about claiming victory than how they got there.

It's too idealistic to hope people will play a game as it's intended. Not in the RP sense, but in the sense that the rules aren't just there to be taken advantage of by who ever feels like paying more than everyone else.

In the end I just play the game as it's intended. If it costs me isk, ships, or KMs, then whatever- it's a game and 'winning' at it isn't so important to me that I run spreadsheets, multi-box, care about isk/hour or anything NOT FUN. Sadly for too many people, they don't like Eve enough to have fun even if they're not always winning.

Everyone should remember that off grid boosting has been there more than 5 years already, so if you do not have booster alt it is only our own fault. You have had plenty of time to train one and grind isk to pay it.

Now if you are new player who just joined circus and do not have one and can not buy one, then join some corporation who can provide ogb support at least on fleet ops.

EVE is game where long play time and skilled chars gives some advantage but not something that makes game impossible for new players.

OGB is not something you have to buy with $ you can use isk to fund it and all modules and ships are in game items not NEX stuff.

If someone is willing to pay more than one account ofc he is allowed to use those, usually efficiency goes down with every alt and finally adding more alts do not help much.

OGB may be too powerfull on some cases and CCP should balance values bit down but not to remove it totally.

While the use of certain programs to manage multiple accounts is certainly borderline cheating imo.

Still don't understand why Sensor Strength has anything to do with the ability for someone to probe you down.

This whole thread has me a bit weirded out. What's the difference between me using another of my accounts to scout out a gate - or getting someone else to do it? And if it's because I want to break a game mechanic - then what's the scout for in the first place? And if it's because I don't like people then why did I join an Alliance?

It's too idealistic to hope people will play a game as it's intended.

Scouting alts are just practical because having another player doing it outside of a fleet scenario would be incredibly boring. Well, most of the time.

I welcome your opinions and questions, i'll keep an eye here - if not, hit me up ingame.

-Rock.

I don't know why people are so reluctant to admit Eve is pay to win. You can boost literally every aspect of your stats using real money.

EVE is 100% pay2win.

in fact, it only costs 14.95 a month and i can compete with players who are 8 years older than me.

if i didnt pay that 14.95, i dont think i could compete near as well, heck, i wouldnt even be able to beat that pesky login screen.

i disagree, scouting is fun, i do lot of scouting and intel gathering. Shooting is just one part of EVE but there is not shooting without finding targets.

I don't know why people are so reluctant to admit Eve is pay to win. You can boost literally every aspect of your stats using real money. What generally makes it feel acceptable is that there's more risk attached to wearing a Snake set or flying a pirate frigate or using faction modules or having a 50mSP clone. Ogbs do seem to break that rule a bit if they're as hard to scan down as some have indicated.

ok ...another OGB tearfall ....I will repeat to OP. OGB is helping to fight a blob. blob is bad. multibox is ok. so dont touch the OGB if you dont like the blob. once you will force boosters ongrid, only
blobs can have them and then they will become invincible. OGB allows kiting and range fights to pickup targets from blob or to
harrash blobs to destruction. OGB is creating legendary fights outnumbered. hammer it and blob will rule the eve.

Dear all,

There has been some discussion on here - see my previous posts - about Multi-Boxing / Multi-Clients. Like I said - I run 4 accounts but have to interact with each client independantly by moving the mouse to each window. Some people on this thread have made a distinction between that and something called Multi-Boxing which they have alluded to being a system where instructions are sent to multiple clients simultaneously.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2760893#post2760893

Confirms that this may be against the EULA. Some people have said that ISBoxer should be banned. It appears it may well be now.

Just FYI - because from what I can gather this has changed recently.