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Kai Sheia
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2013.03.08 21:37:00 -
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please move wherever would be best if neccessary, not sure where this sort of question is best suited for.
looking towards getting a new computer. the one I have now is REALLY terrible, so dang near anything will be an upgrade from what I have now. BUT, I've got a few questions, largely related to EVE, as its what I am most concerned with playing effectively.
the main uses for this computer would be usual internet-browsing type stuff, EVE (likely 2-3 boxing in the forseeable future), Tribes Ascend, possibly Mechwarrior Online. I don't need super-awesome maximum settings running at 1000fps or anything of that sort, just want it to run nicely at nice settings, rather than run barely-sufferably at minimum settings.
Windows 7 vs Windows 8.
not heard a lot of good things about Windows 8. how much of these issues are legitimate concerns, and how much is people just being reluctant about change?
in essence, what "warnings" would you have for someone who is thoroughly computer literate but a little out of date on some things, about choosing Windows 8 over Windows 7? what limitations or quirks might come up that one might wish they knew about ahead of time?
AMD Fusion Processors.
from what I've read, these processors likely would serve my needs and budget rather well. a particular system I'm looking at uses an A8-5600K, comes with 8gb ram, and can take up to 32gb. this seems like it should suit my needs to a T, am I missing anything about this that would make it substantially less-so?
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Orlacc
298
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Posted - 2013.03.08 21:42:00 -
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In a nutshell, Windows 8 is Windows 7 with a lot of bells and whistles (aero) yanked so it will run on tablets and phones. I was very happy with 7, but as I fix computers, installed 8 on my main box. I have to say it runs at least as well as 7 if not faster. I sometimes multi-box and it works great.
I only run 8 in desktop mode as I do not like the "charms" system, so it looks and feels like 7. |
Novakovic
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.03.08 21:47:00 -
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I run i5 processor, 120gb ssd, 16gb ram, geforce gt630 2gb, and a basic motherboard. And Win8 and run 2-3 clients without a sweat. All settings on high, not using CQ because I find no use for it.
Amd is something I have no experince of. But as far as operating system gors, I see no reason too choose Win7 over Win8. |
Posta Wifda Mosta
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
68
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Posted - 2013.03.08 21:55:00 -
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Well I run a MSI GT70 gametop with a i7-3630QM, 32gb memory, Intel speed demon 520 ssd with a GTX 675M 2gb. I use Windows 8 running 2 monitors (laptop and 27" external). I can run 12 EvE clients simultaneously and watch a movie with no real issues, I do tend to reduce my graphics from max to mid range just for performance when running all my clients at the same time though it would run 12 EvE clients at max.
Windows 8 is cool but nothing spectacular, I removed most of the bloatware that came with it. |
Dheeradj Nurgle
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
279
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Posted - 2013.03.08 22:19:00 -
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I run W8. It's nothing new. People are giving a lot of flak to the Metro Interface, for BS reasons, mostly after using it for 5 minutes, and deciding that learning how to use it was bogus.
I'd say 70-90% are people who don't want to change.
Quote:It's useless for people without a touchscreen. I just want my kb+mouse
Meh, it works just fine without a touchscreen. You can set it up the way you want without problems. (And if you were navigating the the Vista/7 start menu with your mouse you were mostly very inefficient.) Learn to use the "type to search" function.
W7 will feel more familliar, but I advise to use W8. It might be easier to learn actually. |
The CandyGirl
the unified
Negative Ten.
41
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Posted - 2013.03.08 22:24:00 -
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Keep 7 windows 8 is only good for what it was designed for... tablets.
Windows 8 is for the most part a piece of sh*t
Being a smartass is always better than being a dumbass! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13139
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Posted - 2013.03.08 22:25:00 -
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Dheeradj Nurgle wrote:W7 will feel more familliar, but I advise to use W8. It might be easier to learn actually. Nah. It has some severe deficiencies in terms of discoverability that even the most ardent MS-cheerleaders are complaining about.
Some of it makes a bit of sense if you use a touch screen, but even then, it's less than obvious when and what can be done.
Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
1206
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Posted - 2013.03.08 22:26:00 -
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The CandyGirl wrote:Keep 7 windows 8 is only good for what it was designed for... tablets.
Windows 8 is for the most part a piece of sh*t
And another voice of ignorance is heard from.
Been using Win8 since pre-release, works wonderful, better than Win7 in several aspects. Zero driver issues, reliable, fast, rock solid. Before you pop off about something (yes, I know this is GD) learn what the hell you're talking about.
"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Dheeradj Nurgle
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
279
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Posted - 2013.03.08 22:34:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Dheeradj Nurgle wrote:W7 will feel more familliar, but I advise to use W8. It might be easier to learn actually. Nah. It has some severe deficiencies in terms of discoverability that even the most ardent MS-cheerleaders are complaining about. Some of it makes a bit of sense if you use a touch screen, but even then, it's less than obvious when, what, and how various bits of UI can be triggered and what it's all for.
Personally never had them (Primary system is Debian)
Please enlighten me, because my Google-Fu is failing me on this. |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1187
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Posted - 2013.03.08 22:38:00 -
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Outside of the metro interface the differences between Win7 and Win8 are slim. Some actually see a boost in performance using Win8 but that's up for debate.
Don't Vote for Malcanis
New Eden Training Simulation. -áIdea to improve NPE. |
Angelique Duchemin
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
170
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Posted - 2013.03.08 22:42:00 -
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I like windows 8.
Yes it was very unfamiliar at first but the new start menu is great once you have everything placed there.
The Battle of Wizna. Like the movie 300 but with worse odds and the Germans as the attackers. |
Zak Breen
11
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Posted - 2013.03.08 23:10:00 -
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Frankly the hate towards 8 is biased. I have had Windows 8 for months now and actually like it. I don't use the metro interface (there are start menu alts you can get) and it boots directly to the desktop. EVE runs fine. |
Kai Sheia
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2013.03.08 23:16:00 -
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thanks for all the opinions, this has reassured me about getting one with Windows 8 rather than 7.
any thoughts on the A8-5600K processor? |
Destoya
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
64
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Posted - 2013.03.08 23:33:00 -
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There are some issues with the Mumble overlay in windows 8 (something about directx9 injection) but other than that it works perfectly and is a solid upgrade over win7 |
Goldnut Sachs
5
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Posted - 2013.03.09 05:39:00 -
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I wouldn't go out of my way to get win8, but we will be forced to use it when new laptops gets installed with it starting this year.
Consider the i3 before you get the amd. |
Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc
420
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Posted - 2013.03.09 08:03:00 -
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Kai Sheia wrote:please move wherever would be best if neccessary, not sure where this sort of question is best suited for.
looking towards getting a new computer. the one I have now is REALLY terrible, so dang near anything will be an upgrade from what I have now. BUT, I've got a few questions, largely related to EVE, as its what I am most concerned with playing effectively.
the main uses for this computer would be usual internet-browsing type stuff, EVE (likely 2-3 boxing in the forseeable future), Tribes Ascend, possibly Mechwarrior Online. I don't need super-awesome maximum settings running at 1000fps or anything of that sort, just want it to run nicely at nice settings, rather than run barely-sufferably at minimum settings.
Windows 7 vs Windows 8.
not heard a lot of good things about Windows 8. how much of these issues are legitimate concerns, and how much is people just being reluctant about change?
in essence, what "warnings" would you have for someone who is thoroughly computer literate but a little out of date on some things, about choosing Windows 8 over Windows 7? what limitations or quirks might come up that one might wish they knew about ahead of time?
AMD Fusion Processors.
from what I've read, these processors likely would serve my needs and budget rather well. a particular system I'm looking at uses an A8-5600K, comes with 8gb ram, and can take up to 32gb. this seems like it should suit my needs to a T, am I missing anything about this that would make it substantially less-so?
For gaming, Windows 7 is better than Windows 8, although some games run better on 8 than 7. You can check out various benchmarks online. Overall, 7 is better than 8 for gaming, but not by a wide margin. It's pretty negligable.
Other than gaming, Windows 8 is better.
Read this
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/windows-8-gaming-performance,3331.html
"The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB |
Stan'din
Incursion Squad
Punkz 'n Monkeys
19
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Posted - 2013.03.09 08:25:00 -
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i5 -2500k
GTX 560 ti
Standard Asus motherboard
120gb SSD
8GB RAM ddr3
Windows 7
A decent mid level computer
Your about as much use as a condom dispenser in the Vatican. |
Klymer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
154
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Posted - 2013.03.09 08:32:00 -
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Kai Sheia wrote:any thoughts on the A8-5600K processor?
Only go with fusion processors if you can't afford a system with a discrete video card and an intel processor |
Mr Floydy
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
60
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Posted - 2013.03.09 08:53:00 -
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New build with windows 8 here. It's absolutely rock solid at the moment, performs just as well as Windows 7 if not better from feel - I've not run benchmarks examining 1fps here and there differences.
Running dual clients in fixed window mode works a lot better than it did in 7, Framerate his is a lot smaller and I can alt tab between the clients much smoother.
Tippia wrote:]Nah. It has some severe deficiencies in terms of discoverability that even the most ardent MS-cheerleaders are complaining about.
Some of it makes a bit of sense if you use a touch screen, but even then, it's less than obvious when, what, and how various bits of UI can be triggered and what it's all for.
I've not come accross any usability issues. Yes Metro isn't ideal without a touchscreen, but you don't need to use it for anything at all. Go to desktop view, and you'll find that any advanced settings / control panel etc are much quicker to get to than before (press Windows + X or right click in the bottom left of the screen for a quick menu) - I've found that's solved most peoples complaints with 8! |
bbb2020
Carebears with Attitude
44
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Posted - 2013.03.09 15:01:00 -
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Only advice I'll give is to check if your graphic card manufacture is making an updated driver for Win8.
If you're going to use AMD / ATI you're graphic card has to be a serie 5000 and up.
Under that and your graphic card won't make use of all the newest driver optimization. |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
665
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Posted - 2013.03.09 16:31:00 -
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Kai Sheia wrote:please move wherever would be best if neccessary, not sure where this sort of question is best suited for.
looking towards getting a new computer. the one I have now is REALLY terrible, so dang near anything will be an upgrade from what I have now. BUT, I've got a few questions, largely related to EVE, as its what I am most concerned with playing effectively.
the main uses for this computer would be usual internet-browsing type stuff, EVE (likely 2-3 boxing in the forseeable future), Tribes Ascend, possibly Mechwarrior Online. I don't need super-awesome maximum settings running at 1000fps or anything of that sort, just want it to run nicely at nice settings, rather than run barely-sufferably at minimum settings.
Windows 7 vs Windows 8.
not heard a lot of good things about Windows 8. how much of these issues are legitimate concerns, and how much is people just being reluctant about change?
in essence, what "warnings" would you have for someone who is thoroughly computer literate but a little out of date on some things, about choosing Windows 8 over Windows 7? what limitations or quirks might come up that one might wish they knew about ahead of time?
AMD Fusion Processors.
from what I've read, these processors likely would serve my needs and budget rather well. a particular system I'm looking at uses an A8-5600K, comes with 8gb ram, and can take up to 32gb. this seems like it should suit my needs to a T, am I missing anything about this that would make it substantially less-so?
I got the Win8 64 pro version while it was at promo prices -around 95 bucks- all I can say is for everything else than Eve this thing is absolutely fantastic.
If you really want your old bureau like you can, there's this little program named Classic Shell that helps you keep your old bureau style like XP Win7 or even 95/98
If you pick the regular recent rig with Win8 you can't notice that much the difference, I saw it only because my computers are all tuned by my self as per software installation, and hell the difference is the same between XP and Win8 than campaign route and a straight line highway foot to floor on gaz pedal.
Then current hardware with those multiple cores and logic cores (double)+memory amounts being totally managed with minimal resources by win8, put an XP in and it's giving candies to pigs, it can't handle all that memory or such recent hardware, it's a makeshift job no matter how much people will try to convince them selves it's not one.
Now in what Eve is concerned there's a little "Hic", some guys can run 10 accounts and more with, I couldn't play without a crash or freeze for 3 months now but got recently fixed and can now at least play graphics on top.
For the example, little it's true but still:
Blacklight Retribution -uses Dx11 -tessellation, flares and whatever you might think or imagine about graphics, I can play it with full settings on top (high) without crash freeze or anything else than the usual lag from pc-server communications with this kind of game
Planet side 2- it's not really known to be a monster for graphics but whatever, Physix and yada ya all settings on top (high), no crash freeze or even lag of whatever sort, nothing.
Eve, well depends, seems some guys never encountered issues with or did but since it's their job they just came here show how good they are and others are bad, anyway, a huge number of players have or had issues but CCP seems a bit more reactive to fix this.
Last but non least: if you buy whatever computer and just close yourself the door for everything else than Eve, you're doing it wrong.
*removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
Casoff
880
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Posted - 2013.03.09 16:42:00 -
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I got windows 8 recently
Apart from the start menu it's pretty much the same thing as 7. There are only a few things I dislike, and they're all minor
It took a while for me to find the 'shutdown' command (hold mouse at top-right corner, click 'settings', shutdown
You can't turn wifi off. Instead, you can only 'turn on airplane mode'. (ie turn wifi off) It took me a while to figure out what the hell it was
I still can't figure out how to turn off 'apps' (I hate that word) without using the task manager
None of that is actually a real issue though. It looks the same and runs everything the same as 7, just a little better |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
665
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Posted - 2013.03.09 16:50:00 -
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Here it is, this is what you need.
*removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Aaron Canis
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.03.09 17:14:00 -
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Computer technician and Windows 8 user here.
I have had no problems using my Windows 8 since I got it back in October. I recently started playing Eve again a couple of days ago and so far Eve has run smoothly.
Working as a computer tech the problems I have seen with Windows 8 have been due to user error and compatibilty. Given most compatibility issues are from upgrades in which the user did not check the specs of their computer to see if they can operate with Windows 8, did not check for available driver updates, or have not checked to see if software they want to use is compatible with Windows 8.
My adviced, Windows 8 is compatible with Eve so you should have no problems there. Just make sure that you perform all your Windows updates and be prepared to get used to a new operating system.
Hope this helps!  |
Mon Diddies
Corporate Scum
Test Friends Please Ignore
12
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Posted - 2013.03.09 17:47:00 -
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windows 8 is great once you get used to it.
with that said i bought this comp just for EvE and got it the day 8 came out.
dell insperion (like 6600 or something)
intel i5 3330 ivy bridge 4 core
ddr3 11 gig
intel hd graphics
1 tb hd
blah blah anyways great comp 700 dollars usd at wallmart
runs 5 clients no lag GPU never goes above 41
never once heard the fan.
take my advice its a cheap well worth it comp.
Dont believe anything you read, and only half of what you see. To be fair dont trust what you hear either.!!!!!!! TINFOIL ACTIVATE!!!!!!!!! |
Dheeradj Nurgle
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
284
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Posted - 2013.03.09 17:55:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:
It took a while for me to find the 'shutdown' command (hold mouse at top-right corner, click 'settings', shutdown
I still can't figure out how to turn off 'apps' (I hate that word) without using the task manager
If you are a shortcut man, Win+I for quick access to shut down.
Closing the Metro Applications is done by dragging from the top to the bottom. (This is weird, but a minor anoyance after finding out how. Took me some time too.) |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
Casoff
881
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Posted - 2013.03.09 18:14:00 -
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 It works. Thankyou.
(It still makes no sense to me, though) |
Dheeradj Nurgle
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
285
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Posted - 2013.03.09 18:31:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote: It works. Thankyou. (It still makes no sense to me, though)
I fully agree, but atleast it eases the pain.
Win+X is also neat :p |
Zoe Schereau
Beagle Expeditions
2
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Posted - 2013.03.13 18:06:00 -
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Just got a new laptop with Win8, as well. The EVE client is running like gangbusters, save for the odd FPS issues.
I'd like to dual box on this baby, but am unsure if it's wise to follow the instructions for the Win7 dual box.
Any pointers to Win8 dual box instructions? |
Palovana
Inner Fire Inc.
326
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Posted - 2013.03.13 19:22:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WTYet-qf1jo
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