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Grapy
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Posted - 2013.03.10 09:52:00 -
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Got 30 days time reward on alt account from buddy program, re-activated account with "hours for PLEX", used 30 days reward to activate account, got "hours for PLEX" removed from account permanently due to "abuse".
Probably same rule works if you reconsider and instead of PLEX use credit card or any other payment option.
Be careful. |

Stray Bullets
Perkone Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2013.03.10 09:57:00 -
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It says "Hours for PLEX". Why would you activate hours for Plex if you're going to apply any other form of payment?
The system is automated and merely validates if a Plex was redeemed in that account within the allotted time (4h!). Even though you subscribed, you failed to redeem a Plex, thus abusing the system.
Anything else I can help with?  |

Grapy
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Posted - 2013.03.10 10:02:00 -
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Stray Bullets wrote:merely validates if a Plex was redeemed in that account within the allotted time (4h!)
Probably it should check if account was re-activated or not.
Anyway two accounts damaged. Probably it's time to take a longer break from EVE + shutdown my "EVE buddy" activity. |

Thelodas
MoG Republic
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Posted - 2013.03.10 10:07:00 -
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It needs to be activated with PLEX |

Safdrof Uta
VELOCIRAPTORS EATING GRILLED CHEESE SANDWICH
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Posted - 2013.03.10 10:08:00 -
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And just lke that - the average IQ of eve players increased. |

Fatbear
Starwinders SCUM.
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Posted - 2013.03.10 10:08:00 -
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Stray Bullets wrote:It says "Hours for PLEX". Why would you activate hours for Plex if you're going to apply any other form of payment? The system is automated and merely validates if a Plex was redeemed in that account within the allotted time (4h!). Even though you subscribed, you failed to redeem a Plex, thus abusing the system. Anything else I can help with? 
Untrue.
I've subbed accounts via regular subscriptions after turning on hours for plex over the years, without issue. |

Stray Bullets
Perkone Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2013.03.10 10:11:00 -
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Grapy wrote:Anyway two accounts damaged. Probably it's time to take a longer break from EVE + shutdown my "EVE buddy" activity.
Can you at least send some of your stuff my way for my efforts? 
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Thelodas
MoG Republic
8
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Posted - 2013.03.10 10:13:00 -
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"Hours for PLEX" is accessible through the account management pages and allows players, with disabled accounts, to activate their accounts for 4 hours. Once the account has been activated, the customer has 4 hours to add a PLEX, or another available subscription to his account. This option will then become available again once the account is disabled. Please note that if no subscription is added with a PLEX to the account during the 4 hours timeframe, the "Hours for PLEX" option will be deactivated for that account and can only be re-instated by a member of Customer Support. This is to make sure that it's used for the intended purpose only.
We hope you enjoy this new convenient feature.
- GM Q
On further research, it seems you have been glitched by the system, see bold above. Petition it |

Stray Bullets
Perkone Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2013.03.10 10:14:00 -
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Fatbear wrote:Stray Bullets wrote:It says "Hours for PLEX". Why would you activate hours for Plex if you're going to apply any other form of payment? The system is automated and merely validates if a Plex was redeemed in that account within the allotted time (4h!). Even though you subscribed, you failed to redeem a Plex, thus abusing the system. Anything else I can help with?  Untrue. I've subbed accounts via regular subscriptions after turning on hours for plex over the years, without issue.
Well, this just proves CCP are in good faith and actually accounted for some other use cases other than the one described in the feature. Even though I agree that the whole point is to get you subscribed, regardless of payment method, the feature is actually quite simple and well explained and half a brain should be more than enough to understand it's rules. (below)
Rules: 1. Use a Plex or lose that functionality in the future. |

Grapy
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Posted - 2013.03.10 10:17:00 -
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Thanks! Source: http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=871 |
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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2853
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Posted - 2013.03.10 10:37:00 -
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What's damaged about these accounts now ? o_O |

Ares Farway
Selectivity
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Posted - 2013.03.10 10:47:00 -
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Thelodas wrote:"Hours for PLEX" is accessible through the account management pages and allows players, with disabled accounts, to activate their accounts for 4 hours. Once the account has been activated, the customer has 4 hours to add a PLEX, or another available subscription to his account. This option will then become available again once the account is disabled. Please note that if no subscription is added with a PLEX to the account during the 4 hours timeframe, the "Hours for PLEX" option will be deactivated for that account and can only be re-instated by a member of Customer Support. This is to make sure that it's used for the intended purpose only.
We hope you enjoy this new convenient feature.
- GM Q
On further research, it seems you have been glitched by the system, see bold above. Petition it
On further investigation, seems like it is no glitch at all and well intended to work like it did. Even though you have 4 hours time to "add a PLEX, or another available subscription to [the] account", which you bolded correctly, see what I underlined in that post.
It clearly says that, if you do not activate it with a PLEX, the "Hours for PLEX" option will be deactivated.
SO.. OP activated "Hours for PLEX" as offered by CCP and used not a PLEX, but another available subscription method, which is ok and intended to work - and it worked! He did it within 4 Hours as intended and got his subscription renewed as intended. However, He also got the "Hours for PLEX" option deactivated, which was also stated by the above text to happen if you dont add a subscription "with a PLEX". Now if he still had the "Hours for PLEX" option available it wouldnt work as they say it does. given the fact than everything happened the exact way it was described, there is little reason to believe in any bugs.
In Fact its simply a matter of "I didn't read carefully enough and want to be reimbursed for my loss" This is in no means different from becoming a victim of a Jita local contract spamming scammer and then trying to make CCP responsible for not reading the the contract carefully enough.
OP accepted an offer from someone else and got exactly what it was described as, yet complains in here. ... |

Grapy
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Posted - 2013.03.10 10:50:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:What's damaged about these accounts now ? o_O
Accounts now can't use standard feature - PLEX (and buddy rewards) to re-activate if expired. |

Demolishar
United Aggression
833
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Posted - 2013.03.10 10:54:00 -
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You're all missing a very important point in the OP.
Normally when HoursForPLEX is disabled on an account, due to not PLEXing in the required timeframe, the HoursForPLEX option simply disappears. If you try and use a link to navigate to the HoursForPLEX page, you get the error:
Quote: Hours for Plex is not available for use with your account. Hide this message.
However the OP stated :
Quote:got "hours for PLEX" removed from account permanently due to "abuse".
This non-standard "abuse" message implies a direct and intentional GM intervention. |

Thelodas
MoG Republic
8
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Posted - 2013.03.10 10:55:00 -
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Ares Farway wrote:Thelodas wrote:"Hours for PLEX" is accessible through the account management pages and allows players, with disabled accounts, to activate their accounts for 4 hours. Once the account has been activated, the customer has 4 hours to add a PLEX, or another available subscription to his account. This option will then become available again once the account is disabled. Please note that if no subscription is added with a PLEX to the account during the 4 hours timeframe, the "Hours for PLEX" option will be deactivated for that account and can only be re-instated by a member of Customer Support. This is to make sure that it's used for the intended purpose only.
We hope you enjoy this new convenient feature.
- GM Q
On further research, it seems you have been glitched by the system, see bold above. Petition it On further investigation, seems like it is no glitch at all and well intended to work like it did. Even though you have 4 hours time to "add a PLEX, or another available subscription to [the] account", which you bolded correctly, see what I underlined in that post. It clearly says that, if you do not activate it with a PLEX, the "Hours for PLEX" option will be deactivated. SO.. OP activated "Hours for PLEX" as offered by CCP and used not a PLEX, but another available subscription method, which is ok and intended to work - and it worked! He did it within 4 Hours as intended and got his subscription renewed as intended. However, He also got the "Hours for PLEX" option deactivated, which was also stated by the above text to happen if you dont add a subscription "with a PLEX". Now if he still had the "Hours for PLEX" option available it wouldnt work as they say it does. given the fact than everything happened the exact way it was described, there is little reason to believe in any bugs. In Fact its simply a matter of "I didn't read carefully enough and want to be reimbursed for my loss" This is in no means different from becoming a victim of a Jita local contract spamming scammer and then trying to make CCP responsible for not reading the the contract carefully enough. OP accepted an offer from someone else and got exactly what it was described as, yet complains in here. ...
Egg on the face...what I get for posting before morning coffee...
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Grapy
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Posted - 2013.03.10 11:06:00 -
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Demolishar wrote:This non-standard "abuse" message implies a direct and intentional GM intervention.
Account has standard message "hours not available". GMs used term "abuse" (using 30 days from buddy program to re-activate = "abuse", using PLEX from buddy program = isn't abuse I guess) when I petitioned to re-activate hours for PLEX. |

Demolishar
United Aggression
833
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Posted - 2013.03.10 11:14:00 -
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Grapy wrote:Solstice Project wrote:What's damaged about these accounts now ? o_O Accounts now can't use standard feature - PLEX (and buddy rewards) to re-activate if expired.
I'll ease your pain a little by telling you that you can still use GTC to reactivate using secure trades from Timecode Bazaar. |

Jessica Hendar
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.03.10 11:25:00 -
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You can just Petition it and they will turn it back on.. Done it many times |

Grapy
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Posted - 2013.03.10 11:27:00 -
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Jessica Hendar wrote:You can just Petition it and they will turn it back on.. Done it many times
Petition to turn it on resulted in "abuse" accusation. Thus this post - to warn others: using buddy rewards to reactivate account during "hours for PLEX" resulting in damaged account with "hours for PLEX" disabled permanently. |

Stray Bullets
Perkone Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2013.03.10 11:44:00 -
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Grapy wrote:Jessica Hendar wrote:You can just Petition it and they will turn it back on.. Done it many times Petition to turn it on resulted in "abuse" accusation. Thus this post - to warn others: using buddy rewards to reactivate account during "hours for PLEX" resulting in damaged account with "hours for PLEX" disabled permanently. Actually it's funny how CCP consider result of work of one of their programs is abuse for another.
So the abuse was actually a response from a GM in a petition? :) Finally this thread is going ... somewhere .... errr ... places!
Let me know how discussing GMs rullings and/or forum moderation works out for you!
If you had it removed by the GMs it's because you probably found a loophole to exploit the system and got the feature removed for it. Good riddance mate ;) |
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Grapy
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Posted - 2013.03.10 11:47:00 -
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Stray Bullets wrote:discussing GMs
There is nothing to discuss about GMs: they consider 30 days from buddy rewards as exploit of "hours for PLEX". Period. I'm not discussing GMs - I'm warning others.
And if providing 26 paying clients to a company is considered a loophole, abuse and exploit - well, I agree to not to provide them clients anymore.
P.S. "Hours for PLEX" wasn't removed - just GMs refuse to re-activate it because I used 30 days from buddy rewards = abuse of "hours for PLEX". |

Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.10 19:40:00 -
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Have you tried Escalating the Petition to a senior GM? |

Archibald Thistlewaite III
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Posted - 2013.03.10 21:24:00 -
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Grapy wrote:
P.S. "Hours for PLEX" wasn't removed - just GMs refuse to re-activate it because I used 30 days from buddy rewards = abuse of "hours for PLEX".
What do you need the 'Hours for PLEX' reactivating for if you have subscribed with your 30 day buddy reward?
'Abuse' seems to suggest you have used the hours for PLEX offer alot without then subscribing. |

Zhade Lezte
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
93
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Posted - 2013.03.10 21:26:00 -
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The relevant question to this is "Could you have have sent an invite and gotten a buddy reward without having used hours for plex?" Or rather "Do you need an active account to either redeem or send a buddy invite?"
If you don't need an active account, you abused the system to get a free four hours on top of your regular sub. If you do, it really should be in CCP's interest to allow this since they are enabling you to give them money, which is the whole point of hours for plex. |

Target Is
Trojan Legion Fidelas Constans
3
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Posted - 2013.03.11 00:11:00 -
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Working as intended. |

Safdrof Uta
VELOCIRAPTORS EATING GRILLED CHEESE SANDWICH
8
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Posted - 2013.03.11 04:48:00 -
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Let me get this right. You activated via hours for plex to send a buddy invite to yourself?
Which you then accepted and subscribed the buddy account to give yourself 30 days on your first account and another 30 Days on buddy account?
Ie exploiting 2 systems to give yourself 51 days and 4 hours of free game time? |

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1094
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Posted - 2013.03.11 05:49:00 -
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Fatbear wrote:I've subbed accounts via regular subscriptions after turning on hours for plex over the years, without issue.
Yes but in both these cases it involved a player giving CCP money. They like that.
Free buddy stuff is free. CCP has a different opinion on the idea of "free." EvE is like prison.-á It's a place when bad people go to learn how to become even worse people. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
4289
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Posted - 2013.03.11 05:50:00 -
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Why did you even use hours for plex in the first place? Seems completely unnecessary in this case. Malcanis for CSM 8 Module activation timers are buggy - CCP please fix |

Othran
Route One
456
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Posted - 2013.03.11 11:34:00 -
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I really don't understand why people don't reverse redeem a PLEX from game to account management before going AFG.
In fact you may as well leave one PLEX reverse redeemed all the time - its not as if its hard to redeem it in-game if its needed for iskies mmm? |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
4309
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Posted - 2013.03.11 11:37:00 -
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Othran wrote:I really don't understand why people don't reverse redeem a PLEX from game to account management before going AFG. Because most people seem to have actually understood the proper use of Hours for PLEX. Malcanis for CSM 8 Module activation timers are buggy - CCP please fix |
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Othran
Route One
456
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Posted - 2013.03.11 11:42:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Othran wrote:I really don't understand why people don't reverse redeem a PLEX from game to account management before going AFG. Because most people seem to have actually understood the proper use of Hours for PLEX.
Makes no sense to me - you have the in-game resources to buy a PLEX then you may as well buy it ingame/reverse redeem it to account management before going AFG.
Makes no odds whether you return or not as its imaginary icelandic internet spaceship money.
Anyway there's a simple solution for the OP who now has "damaged" accounts. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
4309
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Posted - 2013.03.11 11:45:00 -
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Othran wrote:Makes no sense to me - you have the in-game resources to buy a PLEX then you may as well buy it ingame/reverse redeem it to account management before going AFG. I don't see how that makes any difference. I've used Hours for PLEX several times. I still have the option because I've always used it the way it's supposed to be used. Malcanis for CSM 8 Module activation timers are buggy - CCP please fix |

Grapy
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Posted - 2013.03.14 13:17:00 -
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Tuttomenui II wrote:Have you tried Escalating the Petition to a senior GM?
No - closed petition to prevent "support" system abuse accusation. Now I don't believe this is actual support: made 2 petitions in 3 years (both about buddy program) - damages caused or not prevented in both cases. Police works like that.
Thanks for advices! Injecting PLEXes into redeeming system do the trick. |

Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
345
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Posted - 2013.03.14 14:14:00 -
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Let's see if I understand correctly.
1- Activated hours for PLEX 2- Invite buddy with the hours for PLEX activated account 3- Buddy program gave you a free PLEX for activating 4- Used that PLEX to fulfill the hours for PLEX requirement?
GÇóTo receive your reward of an additional 30 daysGÇÖ game time, you will need to have an active, paying EVE Online account after your friend purchases the EVE Online Buddy subscription. CCP may offer the reward to you in the form of 30 daysGÇÖ additional game time, delivery of one PLEX to your account (which may be redeemed for 30 daysGÇÖ game time), or any similar method.
I think thats were it went down... |

Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
507
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Posted - 2013.06.01 10:10:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Let's see if I understand correctly.
1- Activated hours for PLEX 2- Invite buddy with the hours for PLEX activated account 3- Buddy program gave you a free PLEX for activating 4- Used that PLEX to fulfill the hours for PLEX requirement?
GÇóTo receive your reward of an additional 30 daysGÇÖ game time, you will need to have an active, paying EVE Online account after your friend purchases the EVE Online Buddy subscription. CCP may offer the reward to you in the form of 30 daysGÇÖ additional game time, delivery of one PLEX to your account (which may be redeemed for 30 daysGÇÖ game time), or any similar method.
I think thats were it went down...
1.5 you have to buy plex from market, activate account 4. sell plex to market.
then no one can say you abused anything. |

Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
507
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Posted - 2013.06.01 10:38:00 -
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This whole feature is good example how CCP developers have not done their job well and players are victims of bad planning.
Why it is even allowed to claim game time or plex from buddy system if account is activated with hours for plex, if is not allowed by rules.
Functionality is so different from buddy program rules that no wonder people accidentally abuse system.
Also CCP changed buddy programm without informing players. Before you got automatically plex to redeem system or one month game time added, now you have to visit account management to claim it, Why they even made it so and why they did not inform players.
Bad planning, bad feature, and now players are abusing something accidentally.
GOOD JOB CCP, keep going good work. |

Ramona McCandless
Standards and Practices Petition Blizzard
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Posted - 2013.06.01 10:47:00 -
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Why would anyone want the 30 Days Game Time from a Buddy offer and not the Plex?
That makes no sense. "You designed these rules to trick me and it's not fair! I don't have anything left and might as well quit now..."-á-á-Authorized Pixel Distributor
Tell The Others |

TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
77
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Posted - 2013.06.01 11:15:00 -
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But... why would you even use the Hours for Plex if you can just apply the 30 days of game time from account management. Two two are completely unrelated...  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoavH8xbrPE |

Ramona McCandless
Standards and Practices Petition Blizzard
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Posted - 2013.06.01 11:17:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:But... why would you even use the Hours for Plex if you can just apply the 30 days of game time from account management. Two two are completely unrelated... 
Yup.
I think this goes beyond suspected "abuse" and more into the "I wanted to active my third account for some smart-bombing fun for four hours" category. "You designed these rules to trick me and it's not fair! I don't have anything left and might as well quit now..."-á-á-Authorized Pixel Distributor
Tell The Others |

Teh Nurffe
Nasranite Watch
2
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Posted - 2013.06.01 23:03:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Why would anyone want the 30 Days Game Time from a Buddy offer and not the Plex?
That makes no sense.
Because plex-for-plex is not possible anymore. See devblog http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/73471
TigerXtrm wrote:But... why would you even use the Hours for Plex if you can just apply the 30 days of game time from account management. Two two are completely unrelated... 
Seriously don't post if you have no idea what you are posting
When you have not played for year you may easily forget if you have or don't have plex on your account. If you realise that you don't have pelx and you don't have enough isk, you will buy gametime with euros.. Easy as that
Also if you happen to have 30 day gametime as reward in buddy program and if you run out of game time accidentally you CAN'T claim your buddy reward if your account is marked as "inactive". Only way to reactivate your account if you don't happen to have plex in redeem is to a) buy gametime with euros b) activate account with "plex for hours" and after that claim your buddy reward (gametime). However option B is seen as exploit which people don't understand at all
Previously gametime from buddy reward was added automatically to your account which is not the case anymore thus many people run out of gametime unintentionally and when people look for the gametime they get brilliant idea that "hey, I can use hours for plex to activate my account and then I can claim my gametime" and CCP states this is abuse and no one is aware of this
Basically whole system is broken and now ccp is denying "hours for plex" for people who have been playing for years saying "you have abused hours for plex, pay with euros thxbye" which is simply pure madness (and blackmailing) |
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